How Russia hides evidence - GoFuckYourself.com

Lev · 03-13-2003, 02:15 PM

"MOSCOW - Aslan Dzhabrailov says he wasn't supposed to be seen again, dead or alive. He says Russian troops in Chechnya (news - web sites) dragged him from his bed last month and tortured him, then ignited explosives under him and his dead brother, apparently to erase the evidence. Had the explosives gone off, the men's remains would have been unrecognizable. In what would be a grisly twist to the pattern of alleged military abuses in Chechnya's 3 1/2-year war, residents and human rights campaigners say fragments of blown-up bodies are being found all over the war-ruined region. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...red_chechens_6

[Labret] · 03-13-2003, 02:18 PM

The Chech have their own way of dealing with Russians.

uh oh

Mr.Fiction · 03-13-2003, 02:19 PM

If you replace the word "Russian" with "American" and tell people the guy was a "terrorist", then many right wingers think that it's perfectly fine to torture and blow him up. Just read the threads here on GFY for proof of that. No trial needed, the government always knows what's right.

MaxDent · 03-13-2003, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
If you replace the word "Russian" with "American" and tell people the guy was a "terrorist", then many right wingers think that it's perfectly fine to torture and blow him up. Just read the threads here on GFY for proof of that. No trial needed, the government always knows what's right.

Your logic certainly reflects your handle Mr. Fiction.

res · 03-13-2003, 02:26 PM

Aslan Dzhabrailov the same as Zhirinovsky

Raider Mort · 03-13-2003, 02:30 PM

Putin is just taking care of business.

Cogitator · 03-13-2003, 02:32 PM

That video is cold, man....

Mr.Fiction · 03-13-2003, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by MaxDent

Your logic certainly reflects your handle Mr. Fiction.

Logic? I'm telling you what right wingers are saying. How many right wingers have said that they believe in torture as a valid way of getting information from terrorists? Many.

Are you going to re-write history now?

If it's acceptable for Americans, why isn't it acceptable for Russians?

The case for torture
Pat Buchanan
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/p...20030310.shtml

G Sharp · 03-13-2003, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
If you replace the word "Russian" with "American" and tell people the guy was a "terrorist", then many right wingers think that it's perfectly fine to torture and blow him up. Just read the threads here on GFY for proof of that. No trial needed, the government always knows what's right.

Sad but true. Foucault was right--words create reality as much as vice versea.

MaxDent · 03-13-2003, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Logic? I'm telling you what right wingers are saying. How many right wingers have said that they believe in torture as a valid way of getting information from terrorists? Many.

Are you going to re-write history now?

If it's acceptable for Americans, why isn't it acceptable for Russians?

The case for torture
Pat Buchanan
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/p...20030310.shtml

Because with us we use it as a last resort. With most other nations it is standard procedure.

This is by no means indicating that Russians or anyone else is evil. I can only nightmare about what the circumstances of such torture were.

However, Americans are really torn over this issue. I doubt the Russian troops are similar. Keep in mind that the KGB was the most successful intelligence agency in the world because they did business with very unpleasant people. Remember that this permeated all levels of the old Soviet Union, thus it became part of Russian society and was accepted. The CIA is ineffective because our policy is not to do business with such characters. Remember that the CIA not too long ago eliminated about 1/3 rd of their field agents because they were one's with 'questionable' backgrounds.

Haven't you seen Spys Like US? They almost cut off Chevy Chase's finger.

03-13-2003, 02:15 PM	#1
Lev Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,545	How Russia hides evidence "MOSCOW - Aslan Dzhabrailov says he wasn't supposed to be seen again, dead or alive. He says Russian troops in Chechnya (news - web sites) dragged him from his bed last month and tortured him, then ignited explosives under him and his dead brother, apparently to erase the evidence. Had the explosives gone off, the men's remains would have been unrecognizable. In what would be a grisly twist to the pattern of alleged military abuses in Chechnya's 3 1/2-year war, residents and human rights campaigners say fragments of blown-up bodies are being found all over the war-ruined region. " http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...red_chechens_6

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Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	If you replace the word "Russian" with "American" and tell people the guy was a "terrorist", then many right wingers think that it's perfectly fine to torture and blow him up. Just read the threads here on GFY for proof of that. No trial needed, the government always knows what's right.

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