Program Owners,approve affiliate signups or not? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

PaperstreetWinston · 10-27-2014, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TeenCat

i hope not everyone will go private and invite only in the future. it will mean small affiliates will have no chance to grow, and become whale, then affiliate model will be totally dead and it will not help adult business as the serps will be overtaken by pirates, and doesnt matter what someone thinks, search traffic is and always will be the king

You have a good point and I also hope not all programs do too, and I dont think all will. There will always be programs open to everyone because you just don't know who will be the next big player. Technology changes and so will the players and it will be best to keep all options open.

dig420 · 10-27-2014, 11:32 PM

What affiliate signups? There are still affiliates out there somewhere?

blinki bill · 10-28-2014, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Yes but other than YOU please name an affiliate who started out a guppy and became a whale in the past 3 years. That's the problem there, too. I am in agreement with you, in principle, but the reality is most affiliates now stay at whatever level they are at and rarely grow to 'whale' status anymore.

It's a vicious cycle: affs don't grow, programs don't help affs grow.

Yeah it's a vicious cycle, I understand why some program owners feel the need of going invite only because of the current state of affairs but in the long this will ultimately kill the affiliates and as a result it will kill the paysites too.

Nothing wrong with manually approving your affiliates, it actually means you care, you spend precious time doing the approval because you care and you want to succeed. Over doing it though is a problem it's one thing asking for verification that the person who signed up is really an active webmaster and a completely other thing when you start asking for screenshots of stats and payments from other programs...

SBJ · 10-28-2014, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tam

This is perhaps the one reason I wouldn't ever do manual approvals if I had my own program again - simply because I know myself if I am looking for content or a certain site I want to promote, I want to do it while I am there working on it, not 3-4 days later - by then I have filled the spot I was trying to fill.

HOWEVER - nothing says if you auto approve an account and you watch it, check it and all that, that you can't shut it down if you feel jumpy about it, of if you have questions, reach out to the affiliate.

I don't think anything less of a company that does the manual approval - but it does lessen the chances I am going to put links up -

One thing, a cheater is a cheater and they don't give a fuck whether they have to wait a day, a week or whatever time period they have to, if your pps or whatever is high enough, they will wait you out - so it REALLY, in my experience, isn't going to detour them just by making them wait - not that I've seen.

You should know this as well -

I hate manual approve! Here is my reasoning. If I'm signing up to your program it's cause I found promo of your site and I thought it was hot. When I sign up I want to get promo right then and throw up links/promo. I don't want to wait 24 hours or ESP till Monday. That makes me think you make your paying members wait 24 hours or till Monday for support. If you can't reply to a email in 8 hours (people have to sleep) then you will have upset members.

Like others said just watch the signups from new affiliates like a hawk and refund or verify weird joins. I've also emailed affiliates and asked them where they are sending traffic from if the url isn't adult or they are sending weird traffic. It's easier to kill a fraud affiliate than to have to verify and make every potential affiliate wait.

I don't care about affiliates that don't send traffic after they join cause being in the biz for 12+ years I know there are tons of reasons why they haven't sent traffic.

That said I will sign up to certain programs where I have to be approved IF I know the program well and know they will OK me in a timely manner. Back in the day when everyone used ICQ I'd hit up the program on ICQ to let them know I joined to speed up the approval time.

Matyko · 10-28-2014, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

We manually approve all webmaster signups.

IMO anybody who has serious interest in promoting our sites wouldn't mind the extra check from our side.

It's not about the extra checking.. It is about the delay.

Anyway, if I sign up to a program which needs manual approval, than I contact them right away, this way the approval is fast and I also discuss other things, like reviewing the sites, etc..

So in the end I say: no biggie if there's manual approval until there's someone who can be contacted quickly during EU/US office hours.. But still, I believe [assuming there's very little risk in taking traffic from non-verified source for a short time] that auto-approval is the winner, with restricted operation until account becomes fully verified [can access link codes and basic promo content, can not access payment info for example]

PR_Glen · 11-04-2014, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Yep.

The other thing is that often the companies who do this are often some of the most unethical ones (this is how it used to be at least). Especially troubling is when they want to see stats with other sponsors when you have other proof which makes it obvious you are legit and have been in the industry for years. It's none of your business how I do with other businesses.

If you are going to do it at least make it very clear on the signup form. It really pisses me off when the program collects my information and then tells me I need to be approved. Tell me in advance because then I may not even want to bother with you. I should know BEFORE giving you my personal and financial information.

edit: And a part of the reason why I want to know if you require approval in advance is due to what Teencat said:

Many of those who require it never get back to you. So the question becomes, WHO did I just give my personal information to and what exactly is going to be done with it? We all know programs in adult often don't have the best ethics or track record.

There are no programs around here gathering information just to gather it. If you had any idea what it takes to even get a single site approved for billing you would begin to understand how idiotic it would be to burn your affiliates like this.

You should really stop chiming in on affiliate matters, you are not an affiliate and haven't been for years. The only thing unethical here is you trolling every single business thread on this forum pretending that you are involved as a webmaster, giving advice, when you admittedly haven't been doing so for a long time. This makes all your advice and tips moot and worthless. stick to your day job while the people who actually make money in this business handle the advice instead.

PaperstreetWinston · 11-04-2014, 07:50 AM

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stopitbrrruce · 11-04-2014, 12:48 PM

At Adult Empire Cash our sign-up process is not automated, as we prefer to work directly with our partners. This way we get a better idea of what the affiliate is looking for so that we can help determine the best ways to maximize traffic and conversions. We look at the website, the network, etc. and try to find the best way to help that affiliate promote. I answer all new leads as soon as I can - usually within 1 day, if not hours.

I wont approve sites that offer or support piracy, period. I also won't typically approve accounts if you dont have an active source of traffic up and running.

On a similar note: We've done whitelabel stores (and now, responsive VOD Theatres) for a long time. Our old system was very similar to the ones you see now where anybody can just fill out a form, upload a few pictures and they end up with a shitty-looking generic whitelabel. (I think of this as a "set it and forget it" mentality, which is great if you dont want to make money ;) )

Now we take the time to actually vet all potential affiliates. Our developers personally build the Stores/VOD Theatres specifically for the new partner site, so typically we want to see a high volume of traffic/Alexa rank/Google pagerank from a non-whitelabel source before building a store for a new partner, but there are always exceptions...

PaperstreetWinston · 11-04-2014, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stopitbrrruce

At Adult Empire Cash our sign-up process is not automated, as we prefer to work directly with our partners. This way we get a better idea of what the affiliate is looking for so that we can help determine the best ways to maximize traffic and conversions. We look at the website, the network, etc. and try to find the best way to help that affiliate promote. I answer all new leads as soon as I can - usually within 1 day, if not hours.

I wont approve sites that offer or support piracy, period. I also won't typically approve accounts if you dont have an active source of traffic up and running.

On a similar note: We've done whitelabel stores (and now, responsive VOD Theatres) for a long time. Our old system was very similar to the ones you see now where anybody can just fill out a form, upload a few pictures and they end up with a shitty-looking generic whitelabel. (I think of this as a "set it and forget it" mentality, which is great if you dont want to make money ;) )

Now we take the time to actually vet all potential affiliates. Our developers personally build the Stores/VOD Theatres specifically for the new partner site, so typically we want to see a high volume of traffic/Alexa rank/Google pagerank from a non-whitelabel source before building a store for a new partner, but there are always exceptions...

Its always good connecting with the affiliates and learning what they need.

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10-27-2014, 11:32 PM	#52
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	What affiliate signups? There are still affiliates out there somewhere?