Texas Wants to Execute Man Who Killed Home Intruder Who Turned Out to Be SWAT Member - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

Robbie · 09-21-2014, 11:59 AM

Marking this day down as the day that crockett made perfect sense to me.

Bake · 09-21-2014, 02:59 PM

Militarizing the police and this is what you get. Keep giving them more left overs from the army and they turn into toy soldiers and make war on the public.
They have the same weapons as the military but not the training. It all starts when they stop being a police service and start being a police force.

Rochard · 09-21-2014, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

All of them were convicted of some charge or another. You don't go to prison for first offence pot charges in Canada. At least not back when this happened.

Yes, but... The cops weren't looking for a small stash of pot; They don't serve no knock warrants for $40 in pot. Most likely he was further up the food chain. He wasn't going to ticket for pot, but instead they expected to throw him in jail for much larger charges.

If you read a little bit more about this, you find out the reason they went in so heavy when he was home was because they had expected to find "bags of cocaine".

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

I am so glad you know all the intricacies of police work. With the big military surplus items the police forces are getting these days in the US it would take 5 minutes to see how many people were in the house using thermal imaging.

I worked as a small arms combat instructor in the military, which included training local police departments.

I am also guessing that the vast majority of towns don't have thermal imaging units.

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You keep missing the point that the method they used to serve the warrant was flawed. I don't care if they served the warrant while he was there or while he was away, you can't serve it by busting through windows like a common criminal. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS THREAD. Cops serving a no-knock warrant through a window are most likely going to get shot.

I didn't miss that point at all. In fact, I said here in this thread that I didn't understand why they could come through the window. For all you and I know maybe both the front and back doors were barricaded so prevent such entry - this is common in drug houses.

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Ho many burglars do you know that just come right through the front door? Do you think if they would have knocked on the front door and announced they were police with a search warrant things would have went a little better? I do. Coming through a window unannounced makes you look like a thief and ends up getting people shot.

Burglars usually don't blow through the front door yelling "Police, we have a warrant".

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

I understand that logic perfectly, I wasn't questioning that. I was questioning why you said "the search warrant was for the house not the car." Where the hell did I suggest they search the car? Your comment made no sense and still makes no sense. You reply to one thing by going off on a tangent about something completely irrelevant to what was being discussed.

I said this because you said they could have just pulled him over in his car. I said the warrant for his house, not his car.

Turns out... The warrant was for his house, his car, and his girlfriend's car.

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

And so did the guy who was chilling in bed who hadn't broke any laws and had no reason to be willing to throw his life away just so he could cut down a row of cops.

If he broke any laws or not hasn't been revealed yet. Police do not go doing no knock warrants unless they have a good reason to do so. They believed this guy had bags of cocaine in his house. They not only arrested him, but also arrested his girlfriend, and took over 130 items from his house including plastic bags found in the car believed to have transported large amounts of cocaine.

You already know how this is going to go down - Police are going to paint this guy as a massive drug dealer, and the courts aren't going to care what happens to him.

Rochard · 09-21-2014, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

The most surprising thing about this whole story is where I see Rochard being quoted as only 46 years old.
I thought he was a LOT older than I am. lol Turns out I'm way older than him.

I guess looks can be deceiving.

Maybe change your diet, get a good exercise regimen or something?

I love lost 28 pounds since Phoenix Forum. I'm working on it.

JustDaveXxx · 09-22-2014, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

All of them were convicted of some charge or another. You don't go to prison for first offence pot charges in Canada. At least not back when this happened.

I am so glad you know all the intricacies of police work. With the big military surplus items the police forces are getting these days in the US it would take 5 minutes to see how many people were in the house using thermal imaging.

http://www.bullard.com/V3/products/t...icles/0002.php
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ered-boat.html

Ho many burglars do you know that just come right through the front door? Do you think if they would have knocked on the front door and announced they were police with a search warrant things would have went a little better? I do. Coming through a window unannounced makes you look like a thief and ends up getting people shot.

I understand that logic perfectly, I wasn't questioning that. I was questioning why you said "the search warrant was for the house not the car." Where the hell did I suggest they search the car? Your comment made no sense and still makes no sense. You reply to one thing by going off on a tangent about something completely irrelevant to what was being discussed.

All the more reason to not enter the building through a window like a common burglar.

I agree, pretty fucking stupid to go through a window.

Well you can assume all you want but that doesn't make it true. The whole purpose of these retarded no-knock warrants is to gain surprise and not make your presence immediately known to the suspect. They paid the price this time. And so did the guy who was chilling in bed who hadn't broke any laws and had no reason to be willing to throw his life away just so he could cut down a row of cops.

I agree with everything you said. Makes my posting that much less time consuming.

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

keep missing the point that the method they used to serve the warrant was flawed. I don't care if they served the warrant while he was there or while he was away, you can't serve it by busting through windows like a common criminal. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS THREAD. Cops serving a no-knock warrant through a window are most likely going to get shot.

But this one statement is the whole issue that should mitigate what this guy gets if heard by an appellate court. This issue could adjust the outcome of what actually happens to this guy.

Thats leagally speaking. What actually happens, who knows; system is broken in my opinion.

Just Dave

JSWENSON · 09-23-2014, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

You have the right to defend your home, but you do not have the right to shot and kill police officers legally serving a search warrant.

How do you know the difference between a robber breaking in and a group of police officers serving a warrant? You really can't. But if you live by the sword, there is a good chance you will die by the sword. If you don't like your options, don't live by the sword - Don't sell drugs and you don't have to carry firearms to protect yourself.

I understand that some people feel the need to be able to protect their house with firearms, but I just don't feel the same way. I am forty-six years old (and well armed with multiple assault rifles) yet I've never known ANYONE who has been the victim of a home invasion or even confronting an armed robber in their house.

I read so few posts on here but when I do I can almost guarantee there is some idiotic shit in the thread posted by you. How you remember to breathe really blows my mind.

JSWENSON · 09-23-2014, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Shouldn't an obvious question be "how was it that he had a gun loaded and ready and aimed at the door" if he's being charged with murder it's because the state can prove he knew they were police, he knew they were coming, he grabbed a gun and waited for them and then opened fire.

The state is not going to attempt a very public, multi million dollar capital murder case unless the evidence is overwhelming... or unless you're a conspiracy nut.

You dumb, sad motherfucker.

JSWENSON · 09-23-2014, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

If he broke any laws or not hasn't been revealed yet. Police do not go doing no knock warrants unless they have a good reason to do so. They believed this guy had bags of cocaine in his house. They not only arrested him, but also arrested his girlfriend, and took over 130 items from his house including plastic bags found in the car believed to have transported large amounts of cocaine.

You already know how this is going to go down - Police are going to paint this guy as a massive drug dealer, and the courts aren't going to care what happens to him.

There are very few reasons good enough for no knock warrants and fucking "bags of cocaine" is not one of them.

Also, who gives a fuck what their reasoning is? Obviously they were wrong as they often are. I know they blew through my door in my teen years because they thought my pothead roommates were selling weight with no fucking reason to believe such a thing. They found some fucking seeds in the carpet, no charges pressed.

But those were the good old days when cops announced who in the fuck they were instead of climbing in a window. I'm sure there were still idiots defending their ridiculous actions back then though, some things never change.

Jel · 09-23-2014, 05:29 AM

the funny part is that even though one of the good guys died due to a fucked up decision that no-knock warrants for bags of cocaine is the correct way to go, the supposed cop fans, for want of a better word, are so entrenched in their 'what authority says goes' mindset that the death of a total innocent still isn't enough to plant a seed of doubt that maybe just maybe this was a bad way to do things.

Maybe in the old days the higher-ups realised that an announcement and 100% clarity that it was cops at the door was important to ensure no cops were shot in the line of duty due to the very real possibility the criminal thought he was under attack from another criminal(s). Maybe they thought that was more important than losing a conviction due to some guy flushing coke down the toilet.

I mean really, what's the justification that force can give for a police officer dying while climbing through a window - well mrs.widow & children - the price was well worth it, because the guy who we didn't find any drugs on, could have flushed them *if* he actually had any. Don't worry though, the guy who killed your husband/dad is going to be executed.

Seems a great trade '_'

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09-23-2014, 05:29 AM	#109
Jel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,904	the funny part is that even though one of the good guys died due to a fucked up decision that no-knock warrants for bags of cocaine is the correct way to go, the supposed cop fans, for want of a better word, are so entrenched in their 'what authority says goes' mindset that the death of a total innocent still isn't enough to plant a seed of doubt that maybe just maybe this was a bad way to do things. Maybe in the old days the higher-ups realised that an announcement and 100% clarity that it was cops at the door was important to ensure no cops were shot in the line of duty due to the very real possibility the criminal thought he was under attack from another criminal(s). Maybe they thought that was more important than losing a conviction due to some guy flushing coke down the toilet. I mean really, what's the justification that force can give for a police officer dying while climbing through a window - well mrs.widow & children - the price was well worth it, because the guy who we didn't find any drugs on, could have flushed them if he actually had any. Don't worry though, the guy who killed your husband/dad is going to be executed. Seems a great trade '_'