News Ukraine: Russian tank column enters southeast

[brassmonkey]

KIEV, Ukraine (AP) ? A column of Russian tanks and armored vehicles entered southeastern Ukraine around dawn Monday, a Ukrainian official said ? a move that brings the conflict to an area that has so far escaped the intense fighting of recent weeks.

The reported incursion came a day ahead of a summit that includes both Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, and could be aimed at pressuring Ukraine into seeking a negotiated end to the conflict rather than a military victory.

Over the past month, Ukrainian forces have made substantial inroads against pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine, taking control of several sizeable towns and cities that had been under rebel control since April, when the clashes began.

But the advances have come at a high cost ? more than 2,000 civilians reportedly killed and at least 726 Ukrainian servicemen. There is no independent figure for the number of rebel dead, although Ukrainian authorities said Monday that 250 rebels were in fighting around Olenivka, a town 25 kilometers (15 miles) south of Donetsk.

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[Rochard]

This is not the first time they've done this either....

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

KIEV, Ukraine (AP) ?

The reported incursion came a day ahead of a summit that includes both Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko,


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cross yer fingers..

[femdomdestiny]

those are not Russian tanks. That is counter offensive of local forces, but stupid Ukrainians think that their border patrol would stop Russian tank offensive. Silly.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

those are not Russian tanks. That is counter offensive of local forces, but stupid Ukrainians think that their border patrol would stop Russian tank offensive. Silly.

From where exactly all these tanks and other armouded vehicles come from?

Usually local forces look something like this.

[Sid70]

I vote them to be air banned.

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by aka123

From where exactly all these tanks and other armouded vehicles come from?

Usually local forces look something like this.

Sorry, but I really do not consider you interlocutor.Your question above is just one more proof for that. I guess reason for that is because you are taking news on one side only . If you are not aware that tanks and guns were captured and how many people defected from army and how big is population in eastern part of country, that was (until recently) part of Ukraine, I do not have comment.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Sorry, but I really do not consider you interlocutor.Your question above is just one more proof for that. I guess reason for that is because you are taking news on one side only . If you are not aware that tanks and guns were captured and how many people defected from army and how big is population in eastern part of country, that was (until recently) part of Ukraine, I do not have comment.

One side only? I asked from where they get the vehicles. Pretty objective question.

Yes, they have captured some guns and tanks, but they have made war for months and have had significant casualties. They haven't captured hundreds of tanks/ armoured vehicles as far as I know. From who they would have captured that much vehicles anyways? Were there (in that region) that much Ukraine troops to begin with?

Having big population doesn't have anything to do with this, unless you suggest that some significant enough percentage of the population did posses tanks/ armoured vehicles before this conflict.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by aka123

One side only? I asked from where they get the vehicles. Pretty objective question.

Yes, they have captured some guns and tanks, but they have made war for months and have had significant casualties. They haven't captured hundreds of tanks/ armoured vehicles as far as I know. From who they would have captured that much vehicles anyways? Were there (in that region) that much Ukraine troops to begin with?

Having big population doesn't have anything to do with this, unless you suggest that some significant enough percentage of the population did posses tanks/ armoured vehicles before this conflict.

just believe what you want to believe. there is no further point wasting breath arguing against people solely interested in living out childhood dreams of soviet russia and getting to drive tanks.

we could sit here listing information that directly disputes what is put forth in the news, and then we'd just talk about 'how communist i am'.

what is the point

[aka123]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

just believe what you want to believe. there is no further point wasting breath arguing against people solely interested in living out childhood dreams of soviet russia and getting to drive tanks.

I barely avoided for being AFV gunner (not Soviet). I thought to mention as we got to talk about driving tanks (well, it's not driving, it's gunning).

So, not my dream exactly. But I may have read too many stories about tankers being fried in their tanks (and seen some pics too).

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by aka123

One side only? I asked from where they get the vehicles. Pretty objective question.

Yes, they have captured some guns and tanks, but they have made war for months and have had significant casualties. They haven't captured hundreds of tanks/ armoured vehicles as far as I know. From who they would have captured that much vehicles anyways? Were there (in that region) that much Ukraine troops to begin with?

Having big population doesn't have anything to do with this, unless you suggest that some significant enough percentage of the population did posses tanks/ armoured vehicles before this conflict.

As usually, ignorance is what is dominating in your posts. There were no hundreds of tanks, but up to 10 vehicles . Who can be so stupid to think Russians would attack with 10 tanks? WTF? ..anyway, when I mention population, it means that it has regular army troops as every other part of Ukraine, which means guns, tanks, etc....that is not desert but a part of country. If you can't make conclusion like that on your own,I really don't have what to tell you.

[femdomdestiny]

As Richard said above, this is pointless. People are dying and it was peaceful country until violent coup d'etat happened. I am sorry for ordinary people there (on both sides).

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by aka123

One side only? I asked from where they get the vehicles. Pretty objective question.

.

you are not allowed to ask objective questions, the 5th column will be onto you and ridicule you

[aka123]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

As usually, ignorance is what is dominating in your posts. There were no hundreds of tanks, but up to 10 vehicles . Who can be so stupid to think Russians would attack with 10 tanks? WTF? ..anyway, when I mention population, it means that it has regular army troops as every other part of Ukraine, which means guns, tanks, etc....that is not desert but a part of country. If you can't make conclusion like that on your own,I really don't have what to tell you.

Yes, there were some regular troops, but did they all turn up as rebels/ were captured with the material they had?

By hundreds of tanks/ vehicles I referred to the total amount of vehicles captured, that is important factor when determining the rebels strength (unless they have been resupplied). Also based on news there were more than 10 vehicles and I didn't talk about attack. Maybe the Russians were just resupplying rebels?

Besides being armchair general, I am just squad leader, but leader nevertheless, and I know that war requires serious amounts of resources just to be able to sustain fighting. This comes even more important if there are significant casualties. So, it is very valid question, that from where does the rebels supply come from, in terms of food, guns, vehicles and ammunition.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

As usually, ignorance is what is dominating in your posts. There were no hundreds of tanks, but up to 10 vehicles . Who can be so stupid to think Russians would attack with 10 tanks? WTF? ..anyway, when I mention population, it means that it has regular army troops as every other part of Ukraine, which means guns, tanks, etc....that is not desert but a part of country. If you can't make conclusion like that on your own,I really don't have what to tell you.

There was multiple convoys of armored vehicles, dozens each time. At this point, close to one hundred armored vehicles and tanks have crossed.

This doesn't make any sense. At some point in time a tank will be disabled or partially destroyed, and they will be able to tell it is not a Ukrainian tank. They will be able to trace it all the way back to Russia.

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

As Richard said above, this is pointless. People are dying and it was peaceful country until violent coup d'etat happened. I am sorry for ordinary people there (on both sides).

There was no "violent coup d'etat" - there was no violence and there was no coup d'etat. The president was removed by their Parliament or whatever they call it there. We call it impeachment. There was no coup d'etat, he was removed, and then fled the country.

[MrDeiz]

dead ruski soldiers http://slon.ru/fast/russia/opublikov...-1147803.xhtml
their families must be very happy

[MrDeiz]

ruskie bitches caught in Ukraine http://news.liga.net/photo/politics/...donbasse.htm#1
those pussies are easy catch

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by aka123

I barely avoided for being AFV gunner (not Soviet). I thought to mention as we got to talk about driving tanks (well, it's not driving, it's gunning).

So, not my dream exactly. But I may have read too many stories about tankers being fried in their tanks (and seen some pics too).

yea i was speaking generally, my bad

[aka123]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

yea i was speaking generally, my bad

I did get it, I just mentioned about my personal "almost tanker" experiences. And I wasn't joking, I really didn't want to be tanker. Tank is basically a big canister of fuel around you.

[CAHEK]

Originally Posted by Sid70

I vote them to be air banned.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by aka123

I did get it, I just mentioned about my personal "almost tanker" experiences. And I wasn't joking, I really didn't want to be tanker. Tank is basically a big canister of fuel around you.

yea, i definitely prefer Arnies take on the use of tanks than old mens desire to play toy soldier:

[MrDeiz]

we reed news with proof every day that people in rusia are burying soldiers killed in Ukraine in big number. once again - rusia doesn't have solid army.

their propaganda keeps lying they are superstrong and Ukraine has no army, but things are totally different. Ukraine has great will to protect its land, while ruski don't have a clue what they are doing there. they are mismatched by their commandment and pootin

[WDF]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

............... then we'd just talk about 'how communist i am'.

that is the point

Many of us know about you being a comrade for sometime. I fixed it for you.

[_Richard_]

you're a 50+ old man

act your age

[WDF]

I believe I am acting my age comrade _Richard_.

Don't let my age lead you to a false sense of safety and security though!

BTW: Is that the best reply you could muster today?

On Topic:

Vlad would like you all to believe that the Pro-Russian Separatists pulled these tanks from their behinds.

However he fails to realize when they cross his border onto foreign soil they are his/he is responsible for them.

[_Richard_]

sounds legit.

[CAHEK]

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

ruskie bitches caught in Ukraine http://news.liga.net/photo/politics/...donbasse.htm#1
those pussies are easy catch

Those are good Ukrainian Selfie pictures They should post on Instragram.

Here is real pictures of Ukraine forces captured by Russian's.

[MrDeiz]

idiot, do you know the difference between occupant and hostage?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

you are not allowed to ask objective questions, the 5th column will be onto you and ridicule you

I ridiculed some posters who stupidly or naively claimed Russians did not invade/support/have stake in this war few weeks or month ago.
But to still claim that nowadays when hundreds (or more) of Russian troops invaded Ukraine and is at war is next level of insanity.
5th column power!

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by CAHEK

Those are good Ukrainian Selfie pictures They should post on Instragram.

Here is real pictures of Ukraine forces captured by Russian's.

did they execute them? looks like one has a beer belly.

[CAHEK]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

did they execute them? looks like one has a beer belly.

No point of execute. They usually will get trade for another hostages. Its a fair play.

Beer cost there same as bottle of water so why not

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by CAHEK

No point of execute. They usually will get trade for another hostages. Its a fair play.

Beer cost there same as bottle of water so why not

[WDF]

Originally Posted by CAHEK

Here is real pictures of Ukraine forces captured by Russian's.

Thank you for admitting Russians are on the ground in Ukraine.

Now that you have admitted that Russia invaded Ukraine we can justify further sanctions and assisting Ukraine with arms and munitions.

[CAHEK]

Originally Posted by WDF

Thank you for admitting Russians are on the ground in Ukraine.

Now that you have admitted that Russia invaded Ukraine we can justify further sanctions and assisting Ukraine with arms and munitions.

"Russia invaded Ukraine"

If Russia REAL invaded Ukraine with their troops and power there will be nothing left of Ukraine trust me.

There are many Russians people were living in Ukraine before collapse of the Soviet Union.

There 50% Russian population in Donetsk. Population around 1 million people can make their own army of 500-2000 rebels and remain strong with defense.

[directfiesta]

The pictures of the column of tanks really convinced me !!!!

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by CAHEK

"Russia invaded Ukraine"

If Russia REAL invaded Ukraine with their troops and power there will be nothing left of Ukraine trust me.

There are many Russians people were living in Ukraine before collapse of the Soviet Union.

There 50% Russian population in Donetsk. Population around 1 million people can make their own army of 500-2000 rebels and remain strong with defense.

Putin does not want to be hanged up tomorrow, so he is faking it.
Now explain us here, since when speaking Russian language makes a person able to question the whole country's borders?
I do speak Russian too, but I NEVER wanted to join Russia.

[dehash]

Originally Posted by Sid70

Putin does not want to be hanged up tomorrow, so he is faking it.
Now explain us here, since when speaking Russian language makes a person able to question the whole country's borders?
I do speak Russian too, but I NEVER wanted to join Russia.

When I used to leave in Estonia no one asked me if I want be part of independent country.
So you have few options - you leave the country or you stay and do something or don't do anything.


LOL Deiz 5 russian solder invaded Ukraine. Like a Rambo, right? Forgot how many regular Ukrainian army solder crossed Russian border and received medical help and returned back?

[seeandsee]

Wait the minute Russia attack Ukraine, it will be end...

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dehash

LOL Deiz 5 russian solder invaded Ukraine. Like a Rambo, right? Forgot how many regular Ukrainian army solder crossed Russian border and received medical help and returned back?

That's another case than what this thread is about.

[brassmonkey]

they sent protection for the trucks. last time the assholes searched them sent back. didnt find weapons sent them back.