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bigluv

08-16-2014 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 20194760)

Or the animals can just get rid of the likes of you, either is fine with me.

:2 cents:

That's not very neighbourly bruh.

Seriously though, I can only assume that you don't rob liquor stores, beat up store clerks, and in general you conduct yourself like a human being. We have that in common.
As far as I can see, we should be on the same side. The "non trash, non thug" side.

No?

blackmonsters

08-16-2014 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NewOldPlayer (Post 20194890)

What happened between the police officer and the killing of that boy is terrible. I hope the cop gets what he deserves, like all criminals, I hope the justice system will punish him accordingly.

What I don't understand is when a tragedy like this happens, why does the entire black community rise up together and protest? Why when a black child gets killed it turns into a huge ordeal?

Black men shoot and kill more people than all other ethnicities combined in the US and when kids (white kids and black kids) are getting gunned down in the streets of Chicago weekly, where is the black community with their protests and street marching?

Why does the black community only jump on the band wagon when a black kid gets killed by a cop, but when 1000's of black men are killing people, the black community looks the other way?

It's a shameful double standard that is going on.

"We can kill anybody we want to, but if you shoot just one black child, we are going to rise above and riot in the streets."

I'm personally ashamed at how the black community responds to these types of situations.

I feel terrible for that young child who got shot, but I feel worse for the violence and ignorance it triggers in the black community.

Yeah, it sucks when a community overreacts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IowgsYwFM0g

slapass

08-16-2014 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 20193784)

Yeah exactly; and why talk shit to a cop and walk in the middle of the street after doing a robbery?

:1orglaugh

Just get out of the street and get away with the robbery right?

.

And this makes no sense to you but a cop just pulling and firing on kid giving himself up in front of a crowded street seems totally logical?

Sly	08-16-2014 06:41 PM

In summary:

Group A is upset because Group B assumes that Person XYZ is guilty.

Group B is upset because Group A assumes that Person ABC is guilty.

slapass

08-16-2014 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bigluv (Post 20194687)

What do you do when a whole subculture exists that accepts, promotes, glorifies, and then propagates acting like an animal.

I don't think the framers ever anticipated something like that.

It may be time to contemplate that, if you don't act civilized, you no longer deserve the benefits civilization imparts. When it's one person, ok, whatever. When it's a percentage of society that may threaten the whole? Maybe extraordinary measures are necessary.

That is an extreme depiction of the police.

blackmonsters

08-16-2014 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20194929)

And this makes no sense to you but a cop just pulling and firing on kid giving himself up in front of a crowded street seems totally logical?

No, I think people are protesting because they think something totally illogical happened.

:1orglaugh

Rochard

08-16-2014 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20194889)

Tennessee v. Garner look it up.

There are some justifiable circumstances for the use of deadly force. Shooting a fleeing unarmed suspect, in the back, is not one of them. Notwithstanding some special circumstance of the suspect's intent of lethal danger to other police officers or the immediate civilian persons.

This looks like a bad shoot to me if the witness accounts are accurate.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda should make no difference.

I think you might be wrong.

Tennessee v. Garner says that a police officer cannot shot a kid for purse snatching. They said "cops couldn't shoot every felon who tried to escape". However, at the same time, the same court said "if you've got a violent person who's fleeing, you can shoot them to stop their flight".

In this case you can argue the kid was a "violent" person - No matter if the officer knew about the robbery (a violent felony), the kid did attack him, attempt to take his firearm, and potentially risked the life of the officer.

If you accept the police version of the story, the kid attempted to steal the officer's firearm and was going to shoot him. At that point you cannot deny he was a violent person, and you cannot deny he was a threat to society.

GFED	08-17-2014 12:54 AM

Last I was told, a cop can shoot you in the back if you're running from a felony. Unless laws have changed...

Rochard

08-17-2014 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GFED (Post 20195118)

Last I was told, a cop can shoot you in the back if you're running from a felony. Unless laws have changed...

I believe this is the case - Once you've crossed that threshold for legal use of deadly force you can use deadly force in most cases.

What most people don't understand is that a potentially deadly situation with a police officer and a suspect is not over until the suspect is taken into custody and is handcuffed, secured, and locked in a police car. This kid already wrestled with a police officer moments before, tried to take his weapon, and a shot was fired - what's to stop him from putting his hands up, laying down, and then trying to grab the weapon again?

I also don't think it went down the way the witness said. I see it on COPs all the time - police get suspect to put their hands up or behind their neck, but the danger is far from over. Maybe the kid did stop, and maybe he did put his hands up, but most likely he failed to follow any other instructions the officer was giving him.

slapass

08-17-2014 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20195236)

This was a bad shooting. We can justify all we want but the facts are against the cop.

Barry-xlovecam

08-17-2014 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20194999)

Read it a few times -- The defendant won judgement in his favor in the US District court, the Appellate court reversed the District Court, the Supreme Court remanded the case back to the Appellate court for rehearing on the 4th amendment issues. That is the polite way of saying to the Appellate Court you ruled in error.

Quote:

The Court of Appeals reversed.

Held:

The Tennessee statute is unconstitutional insofar as it authorizes the use of deadly force against, as in this case, an apparently unarmed, nondangerous fleeing suspect; such force may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others. Pp. 7-22. [471 U.S. 1, 2]

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...vol=471&page=1

Barry-xlovecam

08-17-2014 07:53 AM

That said, I read

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A key witness ? Brown?s friend Dorian Johnson ? has told the FBI that he thought the robbery was a ?prank,? said Johnson?s attorney. In an interview with federal agents, Johnson has said Brown was hit by one bullet, then ? as Brown pleaded for his life ? Wilson fired ?five or six? more times.

And when the shooting stopped, Johnson and his legal team have told investigators, the police officer who pulled the trigger did nothing to save the man he?d just shot. ?The officer doesn?t attempt to resuscitate,? Johnson?s attorney, former St. Louis mayor Freeman Bosley Jr., said in an interview Saturday. ?He does not call for medical help. The officer didn?t call it in that someone had been shot.?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...390_story.html

If that witness account is true, that was a bad shoot, and caused a riot.

It's for the courts to figure out.

There must be underlying issues in that suburb of St. Louis that fuels this rioting just as the race riots in the 1960s were not just about the incident that ignited them. Whenever you concentrate people into a ghetto where they are economically and politically disadvantaged you create the foundation for the justification of violence, be it in the USA or in the Gaza Strip, the same outcome, perhaps from different circumstances, will occur.

You reap what you sow they say.

Matt 26z

08-17-2014 04:39 PM

New video includes inadvertent eyewitness testimony.

The eyewitness can be heard saying that Brown ran away and then turned around and rushed the police officer who then shot him. This is completely different than what Brown's friend says happened.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/1686...uson-shooting/

#1 How’d he get from there to there?
#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck
{crosstalk}
#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him
{crosstalk}
#2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –
#1. Oh, the police got his gun
#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him

mineistaken

08-17-2014 04:57 PM

Well despite the circumstances the fact remains: Country have one less "credit to society" thug. You can not see it as a bad thing.

mineistaken

08-17-2014 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bigluv (Post 20194687)

if you don't act civilized, you no longer deserve the benefits civilization imparts.

Could not be said any better :thumbsup

SilentKnight

08-17-2014 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20195297)

Whenever you concentrate people into a ghetto where they are economically and politically disadvantaged you create the foundation for the justification of violence

"justification of violence"

Bullshit.

I live in a town that's had its major manufacturing industry literally decimated in the past two decades. Dozens of major steel-manufacturing based companies and textile mills are gone. Good-paying jobs are long gone...and what is left is minimum wage paying service and tourist industry jobs (Burger King, Harveys, McDees)...and call centres.

Our hospitals and schools are evaporating.

There is no political clout in the region to sway political favour to turn the situation around.

My wife and I are among the fortunate (and dwindling) minority to still have decent-paying jobs in the area.

Yet, if your assertion was correct - there'd be violent rioting in the streets.

But there isn't.

Nothing justifies violence. That utter lack of logic behind trashing your own neighbourhood because you're pissed off about issues - stymies me. Following that flow of thought - if I lose my job tomorrow and can't pay my water bill...maybe I should take a baseball bat to my neighbour's car. I like the guy and all - but what the fuck. The foundation for the justification of my violence isn't my fault, right? Pass it off as me being a product of my environment?

Bullshit.

People have to man-up, grow a set - and take responsibility for their actions. Stop fabricating issues as an excuse to trash the place.

xKingx

08-17-2014 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 20195767)

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Slick

08-17-2014 08:07 PM

Ok, how about this ? If the dumb fuck didn't rob a store and attack the cop, he'd still be alive today. Even without a weapon, if a cop fears for his life, isn't he allowed to shoot even if he doesn't have a weapon ?? And who knows what the truth is there, it'll probably come out that he shot the guy as he was attacking him next.

I fucking hate how all this shit comes up and it's always the racist card played when in most cases they do stupid shit. Don't break the law and cooperate and you won't have to worry about this shit. If you break the law and run from the cops or reach in your coat like you're grabbing a gun and get shot (different story from the past), and you get shot and killed, too fucking bad for you.

And all this rioting bullshit, they don't have any fucking clue who the guy was or could care less. Apparently, they don't care about their community or their neighbors that work to make a living at the businesses that they're burning down.

ezgirl

08-17-2014 09:25 PM

NOT shot in back

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 20193661)

There is at least 3 eye witnesses that all say the same thing, that he was running away from the cop and shot in the back, turned around with his hands up and the cop emptied his clip. Even if he did attack the cop (which all witnesses claim he did not) it is still considered murder if he was running away and was shot in the back.

Link below to autopsy report of Dr Baden, performed at the request of the Brown family, shows Brown shot six times, twice in top of head and four in the right arm. ALL WOUNDS TO THE FRONT OF THE BODY. Now if these "witnesses" claim he was shot from behind but the Brown's own autopsy shows he was shot in the front, what does that say about the truthfulness of the "witnesses"? I have seen those vivid interviews, how he was shot in the back as he ran, "jerked" when the bullets hit him, then turned around facing the officer with his hands raised and was then mercilessly shot by the officer. I saw one black man describing what he saw, that Brown was first shot from behind, then turned toward the officer, raising his hands above his head, pleading and stating he was not armed, then falling to his knees before the officer with his hands raised and then "executed" by the officer. It looks to me like there is a whole lot of creative story telling going on here. Link to Dr. Baden autopsy here: http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nati...Section_Bottom

Why would these people have to lie?

Captain Peacock

08-17-2014 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Slick (Post 20195778)

That makes sense for law-abiding people.

Barry-xlovecam

08-18-2014 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ezgirl (Post 20195801)

I read that too. That cop was not following best practices and discharging sufficient bullets to the center of the body to bring the suspect down. The police officer was an awful shot or acting in a "cowboy" manner. Disabling to arrest a charging unarmed suspect is not like shooting a tin can off a bale of hay.

Shoot first ask questions later.

The fact is the shooting caused a riot (for days now) and there is more to it than this one police shoot.

Adultlexicon

08-18-2014 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20193642)

truth is he didnt have a weapon. what about that? asshole :disgust

The truth is the guy was a piece of shit , and now he is dead.

Rochard

08-18-2014 06:56 AM

I've noticed there is no mention of this kid's criminal record before this incident...

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