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adultchatpay 08-09-2014 10:43 PM

Most of the guys here are unfit for fighting.

Relentless 08-10-2014 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by gamelinkjeff (Post 20186757)
You are probably right. Just me personally I like ground fighting as I grew up wrestling and then judo. Nothing like getting half naked, sweaty and rolling around with another man. But this isnt about me as I dont really have any beef's with anyone on this board. This is about settling grudges and backing the shit talking up. Dont get me wrong I am more than happy to throw down for the fun of it.

Inexperienced grapplers end up pregnant... Or damn close to it.

JustDaveXxx 08-11-2014 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by adultchatpay (Post 20187810)
Most of the guys here are unfit for fighting.

hahahaha!! I agree.


Just put head gear on everyone and call it amateur.


Since nobody is getting paid, no license needed. Can have opt out of head gear and since nobody is getting paid, it is still amateur.


I have thrown events like this and as long as you have a paramedic and insurance your fine.

This is all amateur and these guys have been doing it yearly at this park in Hermosa Beach.

Amiture=Nobody is getting paid





I have know the Eric and Mark (Leaders of the Dog-brothers) for 24 yeas. New them through training at the Machados. They changed the game of stick fighting and no rules combat when they added BJJ to what they do.


Everyone who competes is the for healthy competition only. No axes to grind. And when its done, no mater what the result, everyone is cool.



Just Dave

PR_Glen 08-11-2014 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mohawk Steve (Post 20186773)
I'll have you know that I'm the Puerto Rican Slapboxing champion of the local YMCA :batman

pshhh my portuguese groin kick technique trumps your slapboxing any day!


edit: but again, will need ladder..

nikki99 08-11-2014 02:34 PM

make it happend and I will be there for the win

thehand 08-13-2014 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gamelinkjeff (Post 20185428)
  • Thehand vs Dillonaire!

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What? I thought we were bro's, bro!!!:Oh crap:error:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

thehand 08-13-2014 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamelinkjeff (Post 20186757)
You are probably right. Just me personally I like ground fighting as I grew up wrestling and then judo. Nothing like getting half naked, sweaty and rolling around with another man. But this isnt about me as I dont really have any beef's with anyone on this board. This is about settling grudges and backing the shit talking up. Dont get me wrong I am more than happy to throw down for the fun of it.


I'm a ground guy as well. Next time you are in LA , just come roll at Elite MMA w/ Mohawk Steve & I (just for fun). A couple of the guys from this board have showed up w/ their gi's over the years. I've even learned a trick or two from some of them. Mario from AshleyMadison, showed me something really cool, called the "Fat Guy" pass. :thumbsup

http://thehandlive.com/elite.jpg

pornmasta 08-13-2014 02:51 PM

I ask this question again: how many MMA fighters is there on this board ?

thehand 08-13-2014 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20191444)
I ask this question again: how many MMA fighters is there on this board ?

Maybe one or two real ones & a lot of guys that are practice different arts.(I fall into the latter category) :2 cents:

Vendzilla 08-13-2014 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by thehand (Post 20191461)
Maybe one or two & a lot of guys that are practice different arts. :2 cents:

Back when I trained, I loved it, found a place where I can get back into it in a small way. Starting up later this week. Tonight joining the VFW. Maybe tomorrow.

JustDaveXxx 08-13-2014 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thehand (Post 20191432)
I'm a ground guy as well. Next time you are in LA , just come roll at Elite MMA w/ Mohawk Steve & I (just for fun). A couple of the guys from this board have showed up w/ their gi's over the years. I've even learned a trick or two from some of them. Mario from AshleyMadison, showed me something really cool, called the "Fat Guy" pass. :thumbsup

http://thehandlive.com/elite.jpg

Cool pics!

I have trained a bit.

A few pics with Anthony about 4 years ago. He was curious if I was any good at BJJ. lol


https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/..._3578329_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n..._5359267_n.jpg

Had a knee injury and got way fat. Borrowed Anthony's gee set that day. Im 25 pounds lighter now and fit into my old school 'Howard Kimono Gee."


Just Dave

thehand 08-13-2014 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 20191482)
Cool pics!

I have trained a bit.

A few pics with Anthony about 4 years ago. He was curious if I was any good at BJJ. lol


https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/..._3578329_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n..._5359267_n.jpg

Had a knee injury and got way fat. Borrowed Anthony's gee set that day. Im 25 pounds lighter now and fit into my old school 'Howard Kimono Gee."


Just Dave

Right on man! Good seeing you guys at the BBQ btw:thumbsup

pornmasta 08-13-2014 03:30 PM

black belt of BJJ ...

JustDaveXxx 08-13-2014 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by thehand (Post 20191498)
Right on man! Good seeing you guys at the BBQ btw:thumbsup

Was way cool and fun!

Been dieting and training. Not so much to be "Mr. Bad Ass" but to not die and be around for my kids. lol


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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20191499)
black belt of BJJ ...


Yup. Been a Black Belt for 12 years. Got it from Rigan Machado way back in the day. We are still really close friends. Great guy and an awesome instructor!


BJJ has given me good life and business discipline. What I did in prep work for BJJ tournaments, I do in business; "I put in the time in for preparation that my competitors won't."


And my body hurts all over from it. Not so much from BJJ as much as for the training for competition, training student privates and MMA guys. Well I did sprain my knee back in Feb, That sucked! lol


Just Dave

Varius 08-13-2014 04:55 PM

I'll take someone on in an ECW-style "Fans Bring the Weapons" Hardcore match :)

If I can take Tommy Dreamer and Rhino beating on me at the House of Hardcore, I'll take my chances here for fun and entertainment value :pimp

trevesty 08-13-2014 10:35 PM

I have a background in wrestling, Krav, and Judo but haven't been on a mat or anything in about 3 years... got lazy. :o

I'd probably be down to do it for fun if I end up going to the Vegas show.

trevesty 08-13-2014 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 20191575)
Was way cool and fun!

Been dieting and training. Not so much to be "Mr. Bad Ass" but to not die and be around for my kids. lol





Yup. Been a Black Belt for 12 years. Got it from Rigan Machado way back in the day. We are still really close friends. Great guy and an awesome instructor!


BJJ has given me good life and business discipline. What I did in prep work for BJJ tournaments, I do in business; "I put in the time in for preparation that my competitors won't."


And my body hurts all over from it. Not so much from BJJ as much as for the training for competition, training student privates and MMA guys. Well I did sprain my knee back in Feb, That sucked! lol


Just Dave

Very interesting. A good friend is a brown belt - he's been there for 5 years now. He has to submit his teacher(not sure the right word for BJJ) to get the black and hasn't been able to yet. :1orglaugh His teacher(?) got his black from one of the Gracies. Can't remember his name, but he's older - early 60's if I remember correctly.

I gave BJJ a shot for a couple of years, but I've never been fond of the ground(staying there, anyways). In wrestling, I always used throws, and that led me to Judo.. the intensity of Krav is just awesome period.

thehand 08-14-2014 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by trevesty (Post 20191805)
Very interesting. A good friend is a brown belt - he's been there for 5 years now. He has to submit his teacher(not sure the right word for BJJ) to get the black and hasn't been able to yet. :1orglaugh His teacher(?) got his black from one of the Gracies. Can't remember his name, but he's older - early 60's if I remember correctly.

I gave BJJ a shot for a couple of years, but I've never been fond of the ground(staying there, anyways). In wrestling, I always used throws, and that led me to Judo.. the intensity of Krav is just awesome period.

If you can submit your professor (without him letting you), you deserve that belt. :2 cents:

wehateporn 08-14-2014 11:32 AM

Maybe there can be something constructive too, like some expert creates a money-making blog on a big screen, in less than 40 minutes :2 cents:

ManuteBol 08-14-2014 11:35 AM

I've met Vendzilla, he has some size. Does him and squeeler evenly match up?



I would like to see StevePP vs TheHaaaaaand, Lumberjack match. :2 cents:

The ring will be surrounded by GFY superstars.

wehateporn 08-14-2014 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ManuteBol (Post 20192504)
I've met Vendzilla, he has some size. Does him and squeeler evenly match up?



I would like to see StevePP vs TheHaaaaaand, Lumberjack match. :2 cents:

Are we certain that Squeeler actually exists?

TheSquealer 08-14-2014 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManuteBol (Post 20192504)
I've met Vendzilla, he has some size. Does him and squeeler evenly match up?



I would like to see StevePP vs TheHaaaaaand, Lumberjack match. :2 cents:

The ring will be surrounded by GFY superstars.

I'm 5'10" and 220 and currently train Muay Thai 2-3-4 hrs a day, 5 days a week, as well as have a long history in martial arts and boxing. I can still comfortably bench 405 and squat/deadlift 500lbs. With or without this stupidity, I'm still on a mission and busting my ass for another tournament that I want to win.

I'll be fine against a slow, untrained, over the hill turd that mistakenly thinks that just being tall, fat and standing there is enough to get the job done. I will not however hit him with 4oz gloves. I don't want to put him in the hospital but I'll happily give him the chance to back up his shit talking and threats to hurt me, before I punish him a bit and then knock him out.

trevesty 08-14-2014 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20192580)
I'm 5'10" and 220 and currently train Muay Thai 2-3-4 hrs a day, 5 days a week, as well as have a long history in martial arts and boxing. I can still comfortably bench 405 and squat/deadlift 500lbs. With or without this stupidity, I'm still on a mission and busting my ass for another tournament that I want to win.

I'll be fine against a slow, untrained, over the hill turd that mistakenly thinks that just being tall, fat and standing there is enough to get the job done. I will not however hit him with 4oz gloves. I don't want to put him in the hospital but I'll happily give him the chance to back up his shit talking and threats to hurt me, before I punish him a bit and then knock him out.

If you train Muay Thai and can squat / dead lift that much, I'll happily pay you to NEVER leg kick me. :1orglaugh

I trained with this guy a few years ago who's more or less just a really well built hillbilly - he couldn't "traditionally" lift much since he never really lifted in a gym, but he was extremely well built. Anyway, at that gym we did a lot of log carrying and other random objects which he never had a problem with. We weigh about the same and sparred a few times - his leg kicks were lethal. He was pretty terrible at just about everything else besides a haymaker that would allow you to take a nap, but man those leg kicks were brutal.

trevesty 08-14-2014 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by thehand (Post 20192496)
If you can submit your professor (without him letting you), you deserve that belt. :2 cents:

Indeed. According to the friend, that's the "traditional" way of getting your black belt. I know about as much about the BJJ world as I do rocket science, though.

thehand 08-14-2014 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManuteBol (Post 20192504)
I've met Vendzilla, he has some size. Does him and squeeler evenly match up?



I would like to see StevePP vs TheHaaaaaand, Lumberjack match. :2 cents:

The ring will be surrounded by GFY superstars.

No thanks. I'm a lover, not a fighter :pimp

pornmasta 08-14-2014 03:12 PM

Hello, i'm 5'10" and hmm i can RRRRRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNN

TheSquealer 08-14-2014 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trevesty (Post 20192722)
If you train Muay Thai and can squat / dead lift that much, I'll happily pay you to NEVER leg kick me. :1orglaugh

I trained with this guy a few years ago who's more or less just a really well built hillbilly - he couldn't "traditionally" lift much since he never really lifted in a gym, but he was extremely well built. Anyway, at that gym we did a lot of log carrying and other random objects which he never had a problem with. We weigh about the same and sparred a few times - his leg kicks were lethal. He was pretty terrible at just about everything else besides a haymaker that would allow you to take a nap, but man those leg kicks were brutal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by trevesty (Post 20192722)
If you train Muay Thai and can squat / dead lift that much, I'll happily pay you to NEVER leg kick me. :1orglaugh

I trained with this guy a few years ago who's more or less just a really well built hillbilly - he couldn't "traditionally" lift much since he never really lifted in a gym, but he was extremely well built. Anyway, at that gym we did a lot of log carrying and other random objects which he never had a problem with. We weigh about the same and sparred a few times - his leg kicks were lethal. He was pretty terrible at just about everything else besides a haymaker that would allow you to take a nap, but man those leg kicks were brutal.

People who are big can generate force due to the effective use of the mass. But generating max force also means mass and acceleration which involves super fast twitch muscle fibers which have to be trained in a specific manner which I have only recently started to do at the regular gym. My size gives me a small advantage for power, but good training, good mechanics, good cardio and proper training for both speed and power have really helped me a great deal.

I love Muay Thai because it's firmly rooted in reality. As is BJJ and a limited few other styles, though I don't grapple. It doesn't require a compliant partner to practice and you are reminded every single time you put the gloves on and step into the mat or ring where you stand in terms of ability and skill. Most traditional martial arts are rooted in pure fantasy, with everyone just kicking and punching the air and with hugely impractical stances, footwork, strikes and kicks ... All typically better than knowing nothing and usually only things you could do with an untrained fighter.

The kicks are brutal for sure. Everything in Muay Thai is for maximum damage (elbows, knees, clinching, kicks with shin etc). Punching is largely just to set up something to really hurt the other. In all striking mechanics is everything. Crazy force can be generated with good techniques that allow for it (such as Thai kicks) with great mechanics even by relatively small people.

Worse than being kicked though is clinching and getting knee'd by someone with skill. Nothing has made me say "fuck it, I quit" except that. I can deal with kicks but it's a horrifying and helpless feeling to have someone lock their hands around your head and quickly pull it down into a rising knee that lifts you off the ground when it connects and even worse is coming down knowing another knee is coming up.

thehand 08-14-2014 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20192774)
I love Muay Thai because it's firmly rooted in reality. As is BJJ and a limited few other styles, though I don't grapple. It doesn't require a compliant partner to practice and you are reminded every single time you put the gloves on and step into the mat or ring where you stand in terms of ability and skill.

I agree with everything you are saying here. While BJJ does require a partner to practice with, in BJJ you usually roll with all different size and skilled partners. Some way bigger, some way smaller all with different tricks and techniques, all trying to put you to sleep or rip your limbs off, one after the other all in the same night. You are definitely are reminded every single time you step on to the mat, where you stand in terms of ability and skill.

I like BJJ because I am an incredibly handsome man. If someone were to Muay Thai kick me in the face and ruin my moneymaker, my hot wife would probably leave me. Then I'd have to throw a rock out my front door to find a new one that only cares about money. :winkwink:

TheSquealer 08-14-2014 06:05 PM

Haha I read your post about your "money maker" and thought immediately of the hand model in Zoolander. Maybe an old school astronaut helmet is needed for general protection and both for proper 24/7 hydration and oxygen levels to the skin as well as sun protection?

dillonaire 08-14-2014 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by thehand (Post 20192798)

I like BJJ because I am an incredibly handsome man. If someone were to Muay Thai kick me in the face and ruin my moneymaker, my hot wife would probably leave me. Then I'd have to throw a rock out my front door to find a new one that only cares about money. :winkwink:

Yeaa...its not easy being pretty. That why we would make a good match up. no punches to the face. Just a little rolling around together. Nothing gay about that.


:pimp

DamianJ 08-15-2014 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 20185798)
DamianJ vs DVtimes

I'm down.

Although divvy would need someone to buy his flight. And work out with the police if he can leave the country.

trevesty 08-15-2014 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20192774)
People who are big can generate force due to the effective use of the mass. But generating max force also means mass and acceleration which involves super fast twitch muscle fibers which have to be trained in a specific manner which I have only recently started to do at the regular gym. My size gives me a small advantage for power, but good training, good mechanics, good cardio and proper training for both speed and power have really helped me a great deal.

I love Muay Thai because it's firmly rooted in reality. As is BJJ and a limited few other styles, though I don't grapple. It doesn't require a compliant partner to practice and you are reminded every single time you put the gloves on and step into the mat or ring where you stand in terms of ability and skill. Most traditional martial arts are rooted in pure fantasy, with everyone just kicking and punching the air and with hugely impractical stances, footwork, strikes and kicks ... All typically better than knowing nothing and usually only things you could do with an untrained fighter.

The kicks are brutal for sure. Everything in Muay Thai is for maximum damage (elbows, knees, clinching, kicks with shin etc). Punching is largely just to set up something to really hurt the other. In all striking mechanics is everything. Crazy force can be generated with good techniques that allow for it (such as Thai kicks) with great mechanics even by relatively small people.

Worse than being kicked though is clinching and getting knee'd by someone with skill. Nothing has made me say "fuck it, I quit" except that. I can deal with kicks but it's a horrifying and helpless feeling to have someone lock their hands around your head and quickly pull it down into a rising knee that lifts you off the ground when it connects and even worse is coming down knowing another knee is coming up.

:thumbsup

There's this guy I've known since grade school - was always tall and extremely skinny - anyway, I've always been "bigger" and people used to pick on him like crazy, so I stood up for him often. Anyway, ran into him a few years after high school - guess he got into Muay Thai after he graduated - he showed me a couple videos on his phone of him sparring with guys at his gym that were twice his size(but were new, or had less experience than him) - these dudes were getting destroyed by his clinches. Made me pretty happy to see he went from getting bullied to being a badass.

I've only ever dabbled with Muay Thai somewhat casually. The gym I mentioned above, I helped teach Krav there and would spar with their MMA guys every night after all the "customers" left. I've got a mean leg kick but that's about it. :1orglaugh

nikki99 08-15-2014 08:24 AM

I am getting ready for this

edgeprod 08-15-2014 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nikki99 (Post 20193390)
I am getting ready for this

As the "prize"? Sweet. :thumbsup

pornmasta 08-15-2014 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamelinkjeff (Post 20192949)
Yeaa...its not easy being pretty. That why we would make a good match up. no punches to the face. Just a little rolling around together. Nothing gay about that.

:1orglaugh

JustDaveXxx 08-15-2014 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trevesty (Post 20191805)
Very interesting. A good friend is a brown belt - he's been there for 5 years now. He has to submit his teacher(not sure the right word for BJJ) to get the black and hasn't been able to yet. :1orglaugh His teacher(?) got his black from one of the Gracies. Can't remember his name, but he's older - early 60's if I remember correctly.

I gave BJJ a shot for a couple of years, but I've never been fond of the ground(staying there, anyways). In wrestling, I always used throws, and that led me to Judo.. the intensity of Krav is just awesome period.

Cant get a legit Brown Belt without paying a low level, no name Black Belt for it.


Here is a little onsite on how you get a Black belt: I was a blue for 5 years. I did win a Pan Am title at blue. (Was held back for competition sakes).


As far as submitting the teacher for a belt, thats not true. If that were the case, there would be almost no American Black Belts.

To get the next belt its a lot of time and or beating top competition at your belt in a major tournament. Example: BJ Penn won the worlds at Brn Belt and came to compete at Brn Belt again the following year; was told he can only compete at Black, because he beat the very best in the world already at Brn.

BJ that year won the Black belt devision.


Anyone who says they got a Black Belt in less than 10 years is being less than truthful. The rare exception is when a person wins Pan American or Worlds at purple, Brn and is forced to get their black. Thats what BJ did.


Now as far as being 60+ and being a legit Black belt, that is way possible. Also keep in mind if you are a legit Black belt, nobody except other blacks tap you. Exception; World class Brn belts winning at the higher levels of competition will tap a non-competitive black.

My buddy Todd Nathanson is 62 and has been a Black belt for 10 years. I was the "Man" to beat when we were younger. (I trained longer than he did, and was 210). But now, he is 160 and can crush me. Why? Because he has a school and still trains 7 days a week. I can't beat him and he is kind on how he beats me.

He also has 2 sons that are bad ass Black belts. That can also beat me. Why? Be cause the train and teach 7 days a week.


So to get your black in BJJ, you have to put your time in and when you do get it, it will be legit, because if your getting tapped out by lessor belts, its an embarrassment to the instructor that gave it to you.

My long time buddy and training partner Todd:

http://fightersretreat.com/graphics/...dNathanson.png

His sons Ben and Jarod:

http://www.academyofbrazilianjiujits...logo_final.png




Some of the very best training in Chatsworth and the valley:
http://www.academyofbrazilianjiujitsu.com/home


And I still go to Beverly Hills to train with my instructor Rigan Machado regularly.

Ohhh and if I had to submit Rigan Machado to get my Black belt, I would still be waring a Brn for the last 12 years. lol

No disrespect to your buddy or you and by no means am I a tuff guy or bad ass, but Brn in 5? If thats true, I got Purples that will catch him and make him look like a Blue.


Just Dave

edgeprod 08-15-2014 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 20193886)
No disrespect to your buddy or you and by no means am I a tuff guy or bad ass, but Brn in 5? If thats true, I got Purples that will catch him and make him look like a Blue.

The way I read it, he was saying his buddy was at brown FOR 5 years, not AFTER 5 years .. meaning, he could have 9 years in, five of which have been at brown. :2 cents:

JustDaveXxx 08-15-2014 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 20193904)
The way I read it, he was saying his buddy was at brown FOR 5 years, not AFTER 5 years .. meaning, he could have 9 years in, five of which have been at brown. :2 cents:

Shit! Then my bad. Thats a more reasonable and legitimate time to get brown.


I guess i was more hung up on the beating the Instructor thing. Thats for sure not true. I never beat mine. None of his BlackBelt students have.


All good.


Just Dave

NewNick 08-15-2014 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20193073)
I'm down.

Although divvy would need someone to buy his flight. And work out with the police if he can leave the country.

As would you Dame.

Strap On Princess 08-15-2014 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RyuLion (Post 20185456)
Nah, I'd rather see girls wrestle in oil..:2 cents: :pimp

Me too:winkwink:


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