Democracy is when you got new violently organized government, to suddenly ban Russian language and go on TV and say that you will kill all Russians or Jews, right?

Because Western leaders are pathological liars, while Gorbachev was too naive to understand that :2 cents:

And here we go :winkwink:

Putin sure doesn't.. or he probably does.. just doesn't care for it.

Instead he's more interested in feeding you idiot Russians lies through government controlled media and killing any of his rivals...and trying to steal other peoples lands under false pretenses... :upsidedow

Heil Hitler

Putin? Is this thread about him? Maybe the question was somehow related to him? Why Putin, why not Nelson Mandela, Bush Jr. or Pinochet? I didn't get what you wanted to say with your post. If you want to discuss Putin, just create another thread. Why do you try to off-top here?

I guess that's why the hundreds of thousands of pro western Ukraines filling up the streets managed to kick out the Moscow planted President?

I've been to Ukraine and only a complete fool would want to live there under Moscow rule instead of Western rule.. same goes for that third world communist shit hole known as Russia... Russians are so drunk or so used to being abused that they can't see straight anymore.

You know.. the one who ran back to Russia after getting thrown out

No, I don't know. Tell us about him please. Because I always supposed to think that Yanukovich was democratically elected in the democratic Ukraine ruled by democratic president Youshenko and democratic prime minister Timoshenko. Do you try to tell us it wasn't so?

what this means?

http://s5.postimg.org/yq9ch7ylz/putin.jpg

In the treaties you refer to both USA and Russian Federation have agreed to respect Ukraine's borders and sovereignty and to provide assistance to Ukraine if someone is threatening the sovereignty of Ukraine.

The links you posted say that CIA has provided Ukraine with intelligence. That is correct and already agreed in the treaties, which Russia have signed.

Let's not forget another thing. At that same time Russian special forces Spetsnaz had already infiltrated Ukraine's territory and were doing missions against Ukraine. That is not allowed according to the agreement.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...e-ukraine.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...astern-ukraine

You mean the president who gave power to Putin?

We have all seen the drunk/drugged Yeltsin, but who's puppy was he? Let's not forget that Vladimir Putin was the head of KGB at that time. Master of poisoning (just look what Putin did to his critic Alexander Litvinenko)

Funny coincidence that Yeltsin, looking drunk, suddenly announces that Putin will take over as president. No elections, just an immediate change of president.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/4102107.stm

(As you see Putin was NOT initially elected democratically. He made a covert coup d'état.)

The two links you give DON'T give proof of Russian involvement, they talk about a campaign by the Ukrainian govt to convince the US of it.

The Guardian points out that people in the East support the rebels.

Remember the babies being thrown out of Kuwait's incubators -propaganda for the 1st Gulf war?

so, paying protestors to overthrow a democratically elected government is... respecting the sovereignty of the nation?

don't you find it curious that the original maidan got heavy news coverage, but the current maidan against our western-friendly government is all 'rioters' and has no coverage at all?

in fact, if we really get into this conversation, they are all 'undercover russian operatives'.

oddly coincidental.

but, you seem like a smart guy. once i find a western back media corp, you know, the ones owned by just 6 corporations over the entire western hemisphere, that discusses detailed evidence of our breaking international law, destabilizing democracy, and entirely incriminates us

ill let you know.

btw, has our western friendly government stopped their military actions so we can properly proceed with the mh17 investigations? i believe these 'evil russian rebels' were waiting to hear about a ceasefire in order to let the international bodies do their jobs.

once again,for all those who missed (there is Ukrainian part)

Yeltsin surrendered his presidency (yes he was fucking drunk puppet and I think had no choice, but to leave ). But dude open Wiki and read:
" Acting President on 31 December 1999 when Yeltsin resigned unexpectedly. Putin won the subsequent 2000 presidential election and was re-elected in 2004. "

He was elected as president by the constitution.

Sad but true :2 cents:

He meant majority in the country no in every single region or city. Unless you want to give the right to separate to every region and city in Russia.
Last ones who tried were Chechens.

So in Yugoslavia it was completely opposite, separatists were supported by west and got military and political help. Stop bullshit, this not about principles and justice but about big powers goals.

Sounds very stupid already. Should I explain why?

There was war before NATO's military action not because of it. Eg. people in Srebrenica were actually abandoned by the West.

EXACTLY.

besides, most of these civil buildings are destroyed by russian terrorists not by Ukrainian army. they intentionally try to destroy as many infrastructure as possible and kill as many civilians as possible.

no, there was because west was support it and advises how to start secession.

Muslims first accepted peace but after Alija Izetbegovic ,their leader and mujahedin supporter (you probably know video where he is saluting mujahedeen brigade in Bosnia) came back from US (just like US is now giving advice to idiots in Ukraine, how to make war even worse) peace treaty was canceled. (serbs, croats and muslims agreed on peace before that).

And about Srebrenica, I will now paste you what Canadian general Lewis Mackenzie (chief of stuff, UN in Bosnia) wrote.

"It didn't take long for the Bosnian Muslims to realize that the UN was in no position to live up to its promise to "protect" Srebrenica. With some help from outsiders, they began to infiltrate thousands of fighters and weapons into the safe haven. As the Bosnian Muslim fighters became better equipped and trained, they started to venture outside Srebrenica, burning Serb villages and killing their occupants before quickly withdrawing to the security provided by the UN's safe haven. These attacks reached a crescendo in 1994 and carried on into early 1995 after the Canadian infantry company that had been there for a year was replaced by a larger Dutch contingent.

The Bosnian Serbs might have had the heaviest weapons, but the Bosnian Muslims matched them in infantry skills that were much in demand in the rugged terrain around Srebrenica. As the snow cleared in the spring of 1995, it became obvious to Nasar Oric, the man who led the Bosnian Muslim fighters, that the Bosnian Serb army was going to attack Srebrenica to stop him from attacking Serb villages. So he and a large number of his fighters slipped out of town. Srebrenica was left undefended with the strategic thought that, if the Serbs attacked an undefended town, surely that would cause NATO and the UN to agree that NATO air strikes against the Serbs were justified. And so the Bosnian Serb army strolled into Srebrenica without opposition.

What happened next is only debatable in scale. The Bosnian Muslim men and older boys were singled out and the elderly, women and children were moved out or pushed in the direction of Tuzla and safety. It's a distasteful point, but it has to be said that, if you're committing genocide, you don't let the women go since they are key to perpetuating the very group you are trying to eliminate. Many of the men and boys were executed and buried in mass graves.

Evidence given at The Hague war crimes tribunal casts serious doubt on the figure of "up to" 8,000 Bosnian Muslims massacred. That figure includes "up to" 5,000 who have been classified as missing. More than 2,000 bodies have been recovered in and around Srebrenica, and they include victims of the three years of intense fighting in the area. The math just doesn't support the scale of 8,000 killed

Evidence given at The Hague war crimes tribunal casts serious doubt on the figure of "up to" 8,000 Bosnian Muslims massacred. That figure includes "up to" 5,000 who have been classified as missing. More than 2,000 bodies have been recovered in and around Srebrenica, and they include victims of the three years of intense fighting in the area. The math just doesn't support the scale of 8,000 killed.

Nasar Oric, the Bosnian Muslim military leader in Srebrenica, is currently on trial in The Hague for war crimes committed during his "defence" of the town. Evidence to date suggests that he was responsible for killing as many Serb civilians outside Srebrenica as the Bosnian Serb army was for massacring Bosnian Muslims inside the town.
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Are you high? So called terrorist blew up civilian apartments? Sure, they went few miles away from town and then used artillery. Sounds right.

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amazing .... lol