Are you serious? Did international spectators report some major violations during last president elections?
Compare to USA - 2 actual candidates backed up by huge corporate money. Same as in Russia.
Don't you think they are all assholes? Why do you blame only Putin?

Thanks for the explanation. I understand your views, but I don't agree with them.

Sahra Wagenknecht is an old communist and she is way too extreme for anyone to take her seriously. Her pro-Russia / pro-USSR bias is crystal clear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahra_Wagenknecht

http://theother14.files.wordpress.co.../daf.jpg?w=634

http://michael-mannheimer.info/2014/...-beendet-habe/

Sorry, but Sahra's opinions are simply too extreme. She sympathizes with despots who were much more brutal than Jozef Tiso.

What you are doing is just name calling, "communist, too extreme "

Listen to what she is saying, is she telling the truth, are her facts correct ?

"extreme, communist, terrorist " are propaganda words to stop people thinking, not part of a real debate.

The most important thing is what the majority wants.. That is democratic.

Fuck the pro-Russian terrorists, hope the army will take care of them.

If your final thesis is about Karl Marx and you are politically active in a communistic party, then it is correct to label her as a communist.

"terrorist" is a word that you injected into this conversation. Nobody except you has claimed that Sahra is a "terrorist".

Her "facts" are only telling one side of the story.

Most people do not understand what the word communist means because it was used by the West to mean big bad bogey man. Just like terrorist.

What she is saying is her POV but a view that is not the one that is normally heard and that is why it is worth listening to.

everything I have to say I have already said in this thread - even the reason why I didnt bother to get back to this thread (and GFY in total) yesterday.

the only answer missing is the one to my original question but I gave up on that since I have nothing to expect but smokescreens and avoidance

but if that makes you feel better than simply admitting that you don't know either why the guys are there - so be it

and I can't believe you're discussing Sahra Wagenknecht - hilarious

many things could be said here but i leave that to our resident communist Cherry7

my time is too valuable for that

Maybe the reason no one answered your questioned was because it was of the type "Do you beat your wife often?"

Your question contained the assertion to the rebel leaders were Russian nationals, do you have evidence of that?

Also as Russia and Ukraine have been without borders for hundreds of years many people have family in both countries, very much like England Wales and Scotland.

The US and European leaders being involved in Ukrainian affairs is new but the influence of Russia and the Ukraine on each other has been going on for hundreds of years.

It has been wonderful the support the US and European political figures have been giving to the Scottish Independence movement, and I look forward to them supporting the Catalans.

... you left out the Kurds !!!!:thumbsup

it is not even a secret that both Borodai and Strelkow/Girkin are russian nationals with russian passports...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Borodai

so as usual just deflecting and denying and no answer about what or who made those guys interfere in the Ukraine

or you're just stupid (or ignorant) for not knowing this until now - that is also a possibility

a great deal of people in that area with russian passports. but, whatever right?

meanwhile, the Ukrainian side is targeting chemical plants with hurricane heavy artillery that will eventually cause an ecological disaster that will cover a square 300 km area.. including where the investigation is going.

but hey. the rebel leaders have passports. lets talk about that.

Euro Renovation in Progress

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Do you understand that your post above is a nonsense? At first you have stated that democracy is will of the majority. In fact the majority in Crimea and Western Ukraine do not want to live in same country with the Western so-called pro-EU neo-NAZIs like MrDiez (as you may note, he is a typical fascist). After that you say "fuck 'em". And where is the logic? Fuck the democracy? Here you go man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

I did ask you a straight question. And I didn't ask something that you said already.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You are dead right I feel ignorant about the situation in the Ukraine, how can anyone feel informed when all sources of information are hell bent on disinformation.

I was on a demonstration about Gaza with thousands of others on Saturday, I watched both Channel 4 news and BBC not a word. Russia Today had it covered as well as demonstrations in Paris and Berlin.

I am sure that Russia is involved in the Ukraine's affairs, but that is not helped by the West's blatant interference and regime change.

As the resident communist I call for ALL foreign forces to stay out of the Ukraine and for all the oligarchs to be striped of the wealth and power they have stolen. For free elections and democratic control of the economy.

Cuba decided it wanted a different economic model and to ally itself with the Soviet Union, did the West respect its right to do that as in independent country? No, it attacked it and blockaded it, and it still does.

Russians are among the members of an ethnic-Russian militia in a Russian-majority area of Ukraine, bordering Russia? Scary stuff!


Ukrainian army is fighting side by side with neo-Nazis (and foreign fighters) against their own people. But you don't have a problem with that, so you're just being an ignorant.

few articles from the last few days, Kiev's openly neo-Nazi battalion leads Donetsk invasion

English: Ukraine crisis: the neo-Nazi brigade fighting pro-Russian separatists
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...paratists.html

German: Neonazis im Auftrag der Regierung
http://www.fr-online.de/ukraine/ukra...,28083302.html

Danish: Ekstremister kæmper for en plads ved fronten
http://www.b.dk/globalt/ekstremister...ds-ved-fronten

For ignorant people like you, neo-Nazi battalion in action




You were absolutely right. VICE's report



pro-Russia bias?? Sahra is a far-left, Russia is ruled by oligarchs..

+ Die Linke is the third strongest in German politics

http://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_or.../3/2873370.jpg

2MaDalton, I think it somehow related with your hereditary memory. You are inadvertently support NAZI and trying to blame evil commies from Russia. That's actually a normal thing (you can not control your subconscious), so I have no questions to you. It's ok, man.

deflecting, denying and now insulting... nice.

but no one answers what 2 dudes from Moscow do there

i could point to my post form page 1 again: https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20185096&postcount=18

but obviously no one cares what i say when it doesn't fit the agenda

but feel free to insult me and call me Nazi as much as you want - besides your small colony of followers like Cherry, Evy and a couple of others, no one bothers anyways

It is not really a very big question when everyone agrees that lots of countries are interfering in the Ukraine.

And to ask a question you yourself want to answer is well.. a bit childish.

MaDalton is right.
Why do the "Ukrainian" separatist leaders have Russian nationality and Russian passports?

It is obvious that some of the Russia-supporters here don't want to answer that simple question.

Because, let's be honest for a moment. They are not "separatists", but instead it is a regular Russian invasion. Just like the "anonymous" Russian soldiers in Crimea - the so-called "little green men".

Why is it so difficult for the Russians to simply say the truth? Instead they will always try to change the topic: "Look at the USA/America/Nato/EU/Santa Claus blah blah blah".

I think people have tried to answer that question. The question is do you think a foreign solder with his foreign passport and nationality could operate in a town without a degree of support from the local people?

Do you think that all of the Ukrainians support what has happened in Kiev?

I do not support the right wing capitalist government of Russia or the USA.

Dude there are people from all over the world on both sides - solders of fortune, why are you so surprised? They are not official russian military forces , right?

Why it is do hard for USA to say - yes it is our hands behind Ukraine crisis from the beginning? And for dozen other civil wars. You are so naive.

Kiev, Gaza... Iraq.... this list just keeps getting bigger and bigger

it's time to spin around the circle

I was expecting that they will detonate bomb at the end and become martyrs...but nothing happened.

Perhaps because the ukraine (окраина) was a part of Russia for 100's of years and these guys just can't accept it as an "independant" country, at least because they were born in Russia and they are much older than the whole urkainian country? I do not support them but just trying to answer to your question. It's like Texas or Bavaria/Catalonia etc will declare its independence tomorrow.

I believe this picture says it all:

http://euromaydan.in/wp-content/uplo...QnCQAATF6i.jpg

CyberSEO should be ignored massively due to his supporting Russian invasion.

I believe this more accurate...

http://s4.postimg.org/9tcam2f1p/2948950t100h0ced.jpg

http://s8.postimg.org/rr4ffrh5x/Bi1in_Cv_IEAARZzi.jpg

http://s17.postimg.org/wjbckfgtb/Biz_XZUCCAAAr6qm.jpg

http://s14.postimg.org/3y40cvl69/n0yxwqio.jpg

You call for it? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I'm sure your thoughts will get all the attention they deserve.

If Russia was against Ukraine's independence, then why did Russian Federation sign the Budapest Memorandum on December 5, 1994, and agree to respect that Ukraine is a sovereign country?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear...ns_and_Ukraine

Because of american-puppet president Yeltsin?

Like asking why did the West say they were not going to expand NATO eastward .

you forgot to add "drunk". (just what west liked and needed)

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/melikkay...war-has-begun/

'Why CIA Director Brennan Visited Kiev: In Ukraine The Covert War Has Begun'

treaties go both ways.. yes?

http://www.msnbc.com/all/why-was-cia-chief-kiev

'CIA presence in Ukraine gives the wrong impression, senator warns'

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/...j-vs-congress/

'Spying, lying and torture: Obama, CIA, DOJ vs Congress'

http://i.imgur.com/OEoYJso.jpg

get it tho. evil fucking red soviet russians. why even bother thinking about the rendition programs, the 'disappear you' programs, the 'kill americans without trial' programs.. these are scary things.

wayyyyyyyyyy easier pretending we live in the 80s and everything is a-ok and getting drafted really is a good thing cause we no longer even need to think for ourselves.

tell me

are you patriotic?

So what? It was signet by Yelsin, not by Girkin or Boroday. When Yeltsin, Kuchma and Kravchuk simple divided the USSR to the independent countries (everyone of them wanted to be a "king" is his own land), they didn't ask all that millions of people if they want do live in different countries or not. Do you know what democracy is?