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Old 07-31-2014, 07:33 PM   #1
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Why is USA selling arms to Israel?

In reality USA kills innocent children and women in Gaza, even that they condemn the Israel's goverment attacks. Do i sense a double moral here?

Put yourself in this situation what IF Russia occupy American borders demanding that you all should accept Putin as your new leader, and he calls you all terrorists.

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Russia send arms to Syra that killed many innocent children and people
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Israel to Palestine: We will give you the land back, we will remove our forces from the line, we want peace in the area. The land is yours. The resources are yours. We just ask you one simple thing; recognize us as a nation and our people.

Palestine (Hamas) to Israel: Fuck off. We want you all dead. We could care less about a piece of land locked desert. We just want to eradicate your entire population. Peace is not in our vernacular.

I'm not picking sides here people. But it seems that the only people in that region of the world that actually want peace, and are willing to sacrifice to receive it, are the Israelis.
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In reality USA kills innocent children and women in Gaza, even that they condemn the Israel's goverment attacks. Do i sense a double moral here?

Put yourself in this situation what IF Russia occupy American borders demanding that you all should accept Putin as your new leader, and he calls you all terrorists.

Easy answer...because they are a friend of America. As for your theoretical scenario...it is nonsensical.
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BTW...the U.S. has been supplying Israel with weapons since it was recognized in its infancy...and not always is it selling...but just supplying.
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In reality USA kills innocent children and women in Gaza, even that they condemn the Israel's goverment attacks. Do i sense a double moral here?

Put yourself in this situation what IF Russia occupy American borders demanding that you all should accept Putin as your new leader, and he calls you all terrorists.

Israel should wipe Hamas off the face of the earth.

They have no intentions at all of Israels survival and will always kill as many Israelis as possible. Israel should do whatever is necessary to protect themselves....

If Hamas hides in schools and and uses human shields then wtf do they expect? Sure it is sad the "innocents" and children get caught up in the battle but when you deal with terrorists like Hamas then all rules are out the window cause they do not play by the rules.
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Easy answer...because they are a friend of America. As for your theoretical scenario...it is nonsensical.
Not that easy answer, but a lot of capital is moved between USA and Israel and yes you still are responsible of killing innocent children.
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Russia send arms to Syra that killed many innocent children and people
and U.S. threats of strikes against Syria thanks to Putin urging the United States to avoid unilateral military action.
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Israel should wipe Hamas off the face of the earth.

They have no intentions at all of Israels survival and will always kill as many Israelis as possible. Israel should do whatever is necessary to protect themselves....

If Hamas hides in schools and and uses human shields then wtf do they expect? Sure it is sad the "innocents" and children get caught up in the battle but when you deal with terrorists like Hamas then all rules are out the window cause they do not play by the rules.
Israel have been pushing Palestines from their homes for years without the UN didnt raise a finger, now the only place for them is Gaza. Occupied by Israel and that does not make people love you, Israel create the hate and then call Palestine's for terrorists. Its always 2 sides of a story. Do you have solid proof that Hamas hides in school buildings then show us them, listening to the Israel gov that has a track record of lying then you are misinformed.

Its a saying in the western world "When ever Israel goverment investigate some thing their army has done, they always come to the same conclusion <nothing illigal happen>" Some years a go when Israel troops boarded a ship that was going to Gaza with medical supplies they killed a lot of innocent people from different countries.
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Not that easy answer, but a lot of capital is moved between USA and Israel and yes you still are responsible of killing innocent children.
When you are getting missles shot at you and you retaliate then there will be collateral damage.... They dont want there innocents killed they shouldnt hide behind them and use them as shields
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Israel have been pushing Palestines from their homes for years without the UN didnt raise a finger, now the only place for them is Gaza. Occupied by Israel and that does not make people love you, Israel create the hate and then call Palestine's for terrorists. Its always 2 sides of a story. Do you have solid proof that Hamas hides in school buildings then show us them, listening to the Israel gov that has a track record of lying then you are misinformed.

Its a saying in the western world "When ever Israel goverment investigate some thing their army has done, they always come to the same conclusion <nothing illigal happen>" Some years a go when Israel troops boarded a ship that was going to Gaza with medical supplies they killed a lot of innocent people from different countries.
If you think Hamas is anything but a terrorist group then you need to take another look.


They want to wipe Israel off the map and vice versa...

Israel is defending itself..
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we can argue back n forth but in the end both parties are to blame ......
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Not that easy answer, but a lot of capital is moved between USA and Israel and yes you still are responsible of killing innocent children.
In any armed conflict...and we have had our share...historically there are "innocents/children" killed. Armed conflict is dangerous to ones well being. So do you have a point other than innocents are killed.

During my years of military service...I may have caused the death of children. I have called in mortar...artillery...air strikes...and have not always known whom or how many were killed.
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Israel to Palestine: We will give you the land back, we will remove our forces from the line, we want peace in the area. The land is yours. The resources are yours. We just ask you one simple thing; recognize us as a nation and our people.

Palestine (Hamas) to Israel: Fuck off. We want you all dead. We could care less about a piece of land locked desert. We just want to eradicate your entire population. Peace is not in our vernacular.

I'm not picking sides here people. But it seems that the only people in that region of the world that actually want peace, and are willing to sacrifice to receive it, are the Israelis.
You would be incorrect on that.
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Israel became a nation in 1948. USA has been sending them aid and weaponry since 1948.

You're just now crying about it?
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Israel should wipe Hamas off the face of the earth.

They have no intentions at all of Israels survival and will always kill as many Israelis as possible. Israel should do whatever is necessary to protect themselves....

If Hamas hides in schools and and uses human shields then wtf do they expect? Sure it is sad the "innocents" and children get caught up in the battle but when you deal with terrorists like Hamas then all rules are out the window cause they do not play by the rules.
When you go after a terrorist organization and have no regard for the innocent to wipe your enemy out you are no different then the terrorist organization.
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whatever. USA sells weapons to EVERYONE. Sold Iraq weapons in the 80s. Sold them to al queda during soviet war in afganistan. Sold them to shiites in US occupied Iraq, who used them to kill sunnis. Then sunnis seized them & now call themselves ISIS.

no corporations in america have bigger pull in DC than defense contractors. Shit, congress sends cash to israel just to buy US weapons. USA maintains 1 billion weapons stockpile in Israel. whenever Israel needs to shoot people, they use american cash to buy american weapons.

All in the name of OUR security.


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When you go after a terrorist organization and have no regard for the innocent to wipe your enemy out you are no different then the terrorist organization.
right.. all Israel had to do is just ask nicely the Hamas to stop terror acts...

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whatever. USA sells weapons to EVERYONE. Sold Iraq weapons in the 80s. Sold them to al queda during soviet war in afganistan. Sold them to shiites in US occupied Iraq, who used them to kill sunnis. Then sunnis seized them & now call themselves ISIS.

no corporations in america have bigger pull in DC than defense contractors. Shit, congress sends cash to israel just to buy US weapons. USA maintains 1 billion weapons stockpile in Israel. whenever Israel needs to shoot people, they use american cash to buy american weapons.

All in the name of OUR security.

This post is pretty much pigshit.
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Israel to Palestine: We will give you the land back, we will remove our forces from the line, we want peace in the area. The land is yours. The resources are yours. We just ask you one simple thing; recognize us as a nation and our people.

Palestine (Hamas) to Israel: Fuck off. We want you all dead. We could care less about a piece of land locked desert. We just want to eradicate your entire population. Peace is not in our vernacular.

I'm not picking sides here people. But it seems that the only people in that region of the world that actually want peace, and are willing to sacrifice to receive it, are the Israelis.
We will give you the land back.

Why did you take it in the first place and by what right?

The have occupied the land illegally for over 40 years backed by the worlds number one imperialist power the USA.
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We will give you the land back.

Why did you take it in the first place and by what right?

The have occupied the land illegally for over 40 years backed by the worlds number one imperialist power the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

read it, slowly.
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I have read it. I also have books at home.
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In any armed conflict...and we have had our share...historically there are "innocents/children" killed. Armed conflict is dangerous to ones well being. So do you have a point other than innocents are killed.

During my years of military service...I may have caused the death of children. I have called in mortar...artillery...air strikes...and have not always known whom or how many were killed.
No you have not, you are a fraud pathfinder.
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Bilateral transfers of technology and non competition agreements.

Most of the weapons in the 1948 War of Independence were imported from Czechoslovakia and bought illicitly, or surreptitiously, in Western Europe. The Americans refused to sell the Israelis weapons and munitions.

Tanks in the Israeli Army http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanks_in_the_Israeli_Army

Iron Dome is to be a joint anti-missile defense system with technological exchange and licensing planed for co-production with the United States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Do..._United_States

I am sure the Russians, Indians and Chinese would be glad to share Israel's weapons technology and pay to licence their production. This payment would include raw material for weapons production in Israel ... Still think a US weapons embargo is a good idea?
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why do the world's least intelligent consistently side with terrorists?
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why do the world's least intelligent consistently side with terrorists?
they fulfill the destiny of being losers!
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This post is pretty much pigshit.
i agree. the palestinians should also get a billion dollar weapons cache & 3 billion a year in free cash to "protect themselves" then at least it would be a fair fight.

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why do the world's least intelligent consistently side with terrorists?
& why do people, who should know better, call any crime against a Jew Terror?

what exactly does Price Tag mean to you. Obviously when the Jewish hamas burns olive groves, sets fire to mosques, throws rocks at arabs, runs them over with cars, this is what, self defense???

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In reality USA kills innocent children and women in Gaza.
Not at all.

If I buy a firearm from my local gun shop, they aren't liable for what I do with it. Doesn't matter if i use it for self defense or go on a killing spree.
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Hmmm "Why does the USA sell arms to Israel?".

Because they pay or trade for them.

Because of a number of treaties and agreements between the governments.
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In news today a lot of countries agree's that Israel should stop occupy Gaza, this is some thing they need to do or else there will never be peace down there.

I understand you all have different views of Israel, Hamas and Palestines, but not all people in Gaza is a member of Hamas. Its like saying you are a sex offender just because you live 200 meter from one!

Hamas fight against Israel because they occupy Gaza then they are called terrorists, when the Germans occupied Norway the resistance did fight back and where also called terrorists in the eyes of Hitler. All we wanted was our land back and that is what Hamas and the Palestines want, is this so hard to understand i suggest some of you take time to read about history.
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Not at all.

If I buy a firearm from my local gun shop, they aren't liable for what I do with it. Doesn't matter if i use it for self defense or go on a killing spree.
funny since when people die in alcohol fueled car crashes, the supplier always gets sued. & when people die of cigarettes, people sue tobacco companies & they paid a big settlement. & when celebs die from heroin, the cops arrest the dealer.

& when trench coat mafia went ape shit on columbine, they arrested the girl that got them the guns!

the only thing keeping gun industry from bankruptcy is amendment 2's obscenely strict interpretation.

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