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suesheboy 08-02-2014 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 20179001)
So does your healthcare cost $8,500 per year on average? For one person, with no dependents.

No. It cost under $5,000.

If I max out the plan in any given year with major catastrophes I could never send more than $8k.

Robbie, this is the best plan period. Kids are much cheaper.

NEW XTC 08-02-2014 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 20172299)

I am anti-war, pro open immigration, anti-gun control, pro-choice, pro marriage equality, anti corporate welfare, anti most personal welfare but where needed I believe people should get much more help with a focus on social mobility and getting off welfare.

So in other words you're schizophrenic? Or just Bi-Polar...

I think you need to get on that DREADED *gasp! "Personal" welfare program known as the ACA and git yourself some meds girl

Barry-xlovecam 08-02-2014 08:22 AM

IRS Schedule A requires a 10% to 7.5% threshold of your AGI.

The Feds and the Obamacare law (ACA) exempt you if the cost of insurance would be more than 8% of your AGI.


Using the ACA law's own 8% rule:

The cumulative USA household income might be $73,000 in 2014 chart 2012 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nkE96F6Bdq...holds-2012.png
So, 8% of $73,000 = $5,840 or $486.67 /mo for a household.

Average USA household is 2.55 today that's $190.85 /mo per person average or $572.55 /mo, make some allowance of age male: 36.3 years female: 39 years (2014 est.) [source CIA Work Fact Book LOL] and for household income.

So, say we all paid a 8% surcharge on our annual income (AGI) for a national healthcare with the same minimums as the Obamacare mandated private insurance premiums -- where would you stand? That's for all persons listed on that taxpayer's tax return.

Bottom line the government's own rules tell many, on the average they are getting fucked over, if your situation is closer to the median you are really getting a subsidy. I suppose if your household income is $146,000 or more you are within that 8%.

That 8% is telling us that on average we are paying more than twice what something is worth (or should cost).


The solution is not going back to what we had before the ACA passed it's a solution of the replacement of the private healthcare system and it's abuses. Healthcare in America would make Lucky Luciano proud it is run like a Mafia racket.

AmeliaG 08-02-2014 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by suesheboy (Post 20179279)
No. It cost under $5,000.

If I max out the plan in any given year with major catastrophes I could never send more than $8k.

Robbie, this is the best plan period. Kids are much cheaper.

My point was that, if I am reading the terms right, your expensive healthcare plan only seems to make mathematical sense, if you spend $8,500+ on healthcare. Otherwise, insurance costs you a lot more.

AmeliaG 08-02-2014 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20179462)
IRS Schedule A requires a 10% to 7.5% threshold of your AGI.

The Feds and the Obamacare law (ACA) exempt you if the cost of insurance would be more than 8% of your AGI.


Using the ACA law's own 8% rule:

The cumulative USA household income might be $73,000 in 2014 chart 2012 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nkE96F6Bdq...holds-2012.png
So, 8% of $73,000 = $5,840 or $486.67 /mo for a household.

Average USA household is 2.55 today that's $190.85 /mo per person average or $572.55 /mo, make some allowance of age male: 36.3 years female: 39 years (2014 est.) [source CIA Work Fact Book LOL] and for household income.

So, say we all paid a 8% surcharge on our annual income (AGI) for a national healthcare with the same minimums as the Obamacare mandated private insurance premiums -- where would you stand? That's for all persons listed on that taxpayer's tax return.

Bottom line the government's own rules tell many, on the average they are getting fucked over, if your situation is closer to the median you are really getting a subsidy. I suppose if your household income is $146,000 or more you are within that 8%.

That 8% is telling us that on average we are paying more than twice what something is worth (or should cost).


The solution is not going back to what we had before the ACA passed it's a solution of the replacement of the private healthcare system and it's abuses. Healthcare in America would make Lucky Luciano proud it is run like a Mafia racket.

If the 8% were for universal healthcare (not insurance where you still have to hope you are covered), I'd definitely vote for that.

AmeliaG 08-02-2014 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NEW XTC (Post 20179386)
So in other words you're schizophrenic? Or just Bi-Polar...

I think you need to get on that DREADED *gasp! "Personal" welfare program known as the ACA and git yourself some meds girl


I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.

The fact that you can even joke about anyone who disagrees with you being forced to take psych drugs ... well, many a fair truth is said in jest.

You obviously like to congratulate yourself on what a nice guy you are, but you actually just enjoy looking down on women and anyone less fortunate than you are and any other "victims" you can find to prop yourself up.

suesheboy 08-02-2014 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 20179470)
My point was that, if I am reading the terms right, your expensive healthcare plan only seems to make mathematical sense, if you spend $8,500+ on healthcare. Otherwise, insurance costs you a lot more.

Don't think short term. Look at what kind of health care expenses I can expect in the future.

One of my cars I bought new 8-1/2 years ago. I almost paid for a second car in what I spent on insurance.

You may have a higher risk tolerance than I do, but I do not want to bail your ass out if something goes bad. Debt write offs and bankruptcies of others cost ME.

The fact that you do not have insurance and I would bet all I have you do not have enough in assets to cover organ transplants or major cancer treatment, makes you a leech on society. If more were in the pool EVERYONE'S cost can go down.

Robbie 08-02-2014 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by suesheboy (Post 20179483)
I do not want to bail your ass out if something goes bad. Debt write offs and bankruptcies of others cost ME.

The fact that you do not have insurance and I would bet all I have you do not have enough in assets to cover organ transplants or major cancer treatment, makes you a leech on society. If more were in the pool EVERYONE'S cost can go down.

Your first part I quoted: No it doesn't. How have you paid one penny for bankruptcies? Plus anything the govt. pays for is being paid for with deficit spending. I agree I don't want to pay for anybody's shit in any way...but the truth is the Federal Reserve is simpy printing money these days and making debt that will never be paid.

The second part...Amelia G. is most certainly not a "leech on society". You're betting that somehow she is going to be catastrophically ill as a healthy young woman. The insurance companies are betting (and profiting) that she won't get sick.
As for the "more in the pool so costs go down"...THAT is what I was saying in the thread title. That is exactly what Pres. Obama promised in speech after speech. But it's not going down at all. It's going up.

I guess we should have all expected that after what happened with car insurance a few decades ago. They forced us all to buy it, the "pool" was now huge...and the prices are high as hell instead of being low.

Barry-xlovecam 08-02-2014 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 20179475)
If the 8% were for universal healthcare (not insurance where you still have to hope you are covered), I'd definitely vote for that.

If you consider that the Medicare reimbursement rate is something like 26% of the chargemaster rates and one-half or less of the private insurance reimbursement rate of the chargemaster rates -- it's doable.

Maybe, I would need to pay extra for a private hospital room or some experimental test with cash or with a supplemental insurance policy but that would be my voluntary decision ... That 8% should cover basic preventive and critical/trauma care.

Medications are another whole issue I am not sure if our prices are subsidising the government operated national healthcare plans of other countries, or their third world pharmacies, or we are just getting ripped off on prescription medications. A centralized buyer like a national healthcare would be able to negotiate a much lower price as it would be on oligopoly like the power or gas company is, with the same potential for abuse possible also.

Barry-xlovecam 08-02-2014 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 20179470)
My point was that, if I am reading the terms right, your expensive healthcare plan only seems to make mathematical sense, if you spend $8,500+ on healthcare. Otherwise, insurance costs you a lot more.

Insurance is a risk transfer, your premium dollars transfer the risk to the insurer.

If you are injured badly or develop a chronic condition the medical expense can run up over $100K easily -- can you afford to pay that out of pocket? You used to be able to buy catastrophic insurance policies.

You can buy 'catastrophic coverage' https://www.healthcare.gov/can-i-buy...strophic-plan/ if you or under 30 or older and meet the requirements ... If you have over $100K liquid cash assets buying the 'overpriced' insurance would just be more of a nuisance rather than a hardship. Bonding off the risk with your $100K is probably not something you would want to do anyway.

suesheboy 08-02-2014 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20179551)
How have you paid one penny for bankruptcies? Plus anything the govt. pays for is being paid for with deficit spending. I agree I don't want to pay for anybody's shit in any way...but the truth is the Federal Reserve is simpy printing money these days and making debt that will never be paid.

A) bankruptcies are a scourge on society. The business not being paid in full gets hurt, which in turn drives profits, dividends, valuations, home and real estate prices and share prices.

B) Bush fucked up our surplus. Our debt will be paid off again in the future. 2 fucking wars not paid for, greedy consumers buying homes and other goods they can not afford, businesses pushing unaffordable goods, bankruptcies, crooked investments, health care costs, and taxes to low on the upper end as well as wasted and political corruption killed all that.

C) The printing of money has not effected the valuation of our currency as inflation is still too low as far as most economists want. Look further into to this.

You don't pay your fair share if you can afford it (which includes discharge of debt through bankruptcy or restructuring) and you are a leech on society.

suesheboy 08-02-2014 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20179551)
I guess we should have all expected that after what happened with car insurance a few decades ago. They forced us all to buy it, the "pool" was now huge...and the prices are high as hell instead of being low.

I can not buy car insurance through Costco anymore as Florida has so much insurance fraud they pulled out.

Fraud is a huge portion of insurance costs.

..and home insurance too. After hurricanes you should see the shenanigans that go on too.


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