Would America go to war with Russia?

[MasterBlow]

NATO warns Russia over Ukraine as Obama mulls delaying sanctions.

[Barry-xlovecam]

[LA Crew]

United States may threaten to impose economic sanctions, but Obama will not go to war with Russia.

[Creatine]

Probably not and that's good. The US doesn't need to get involved in everything.

War is not a good thing.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by MasterBlow

NATO warns Russia over Ukraine as Obama mulls delaying sanctions.

what kind of bear is that??

[Rochard]

I find it highly unlikely that any war would take place. It's not a matter of who will win, it's more a matter finances. Russia seems to be backing down right now only because of the financial threat.

[Emma]

Russia is a nuclear superpower with 4,500 active nuclear warheads and they could totally devastate USA as well as the rest of the planet. So, stop playing.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by MasterBlow

NATO warns Russia over Ukraine as Obama mulls delaying sanctions.

A war for what? For a broke Ukraine? Never happen.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by LA Crew

United States may threaten to impose economic sanctions.

Not too serious actually. The USA is far not largest trading partner for Russia. The EU and China is another deal, but these are won't support any sanctions that will backfire to their own economics. So in fact, the States have not much room for maneuver.

Check this out: http://atlas.media.mit.edu/profile/country/rus/

[Klen]

Originally Posted by Emma

Russia is a nuclear superpower with 4,500 active nuclear warheads and they could totally devastate USA as well as the rest of the planet. So, stop playing.

Yes they could,but to who will then sell gas lol

[pimpmaster9000]

the US people, the US government and the US army, literally, do not have the balls to go to war with russia ever...the US army is only for weak defenseless countries

[Captain Kawaii]

Netanyahu was quoted earlier this week saying when you have two enemies fighting each other its time to hurt them both. - (paraphrasing) Theres a lot of "shanking" below the waist going on but war? I dont think anyone can afford to go into all out war right now.

[mineistaken]

No.
8 char.

[evy97]

Originally Posted by LA Crew

United States may threaten to impose economic sanctions, but Obama will not go to war with Russia.

If US businesses plan to run ads in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Washington Post against sanctions on Russia maybe you're doing something wrong.

Two top U.S. business lobbies are preparing to publicly break with President Barack Obama over the prospects of more sanctions against Russia after months of quietly raising their objections with the White House.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and National Association of Manufacturers plan to run newspaper advertisements June 26 in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Washington Post, warning that more Russia sanctions risk harming U.S. workers and businesses, said a person familiar with the plans, who asked not to be identified to discuss private deliberations.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...ns-threat.html

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by Emma

Russia is a nuclear superpower with 4,500 active nuclear warheads and they could totally devastate USA as well as the rest of the planet. So, stop playing.

shhhh, don't tell Putin, he's going to annex half of Europe

[RummyBoy]

According to a lot of wall street analysts..... US is in a proxy war with Russia ie in this case mainly a financial war. However, US is dumb enough to play chicken with a nuclear egg.

Its only the western propaganda machine that tells us that the US has the upper hand. It looks that way if you watch western media but the truth is actually the opposite.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by evy97

If US businesses plan to run ads in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Washington Post against sanctions on Russia maybe you're doing something wrong.



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...ns-threat.html

finally.

[MaDalton]

fortunately Sarah Palin is not president...

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Antonio

shhhh, don't tell Putin, he's going to annex half of Europe

What for? Any reason for that? Even an idiot knows it's better to sell gas to somebody rather than give it away for free.

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I find it highly unlikely that any war would take place. It's not a matter of who will win, it's more a matter finances. Russia seems to be backing down right now only because of the financial threat.

No offence, but that's a viewpoint that can ONLY come from western media indoctrination. The exact opposite applies.

It is Russia that has the upper hand, not the USA. Everyone in financial/economic circles knows this and its a main reason why the USA would never push serious sanctions like blocking Putin's travel or going after Putin's assets.

[BettingHandle]

Relations between the US and Russia have hit a low point since Crimea got attached to Russia, so I believe we are already in a new Cold War.

[seeandsee]

Let's start nuclear war, nuclear winter, and nuclear after wars

[crockett]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

A war for what? For a broke Ukraine? Never happen.

Funny how your tone has changed, now that Russia had to turn tail. Wasn't but just a few weeks ago, you were bragging how Russia would take all of Ukraine.

How was it, I told you then that this would all end? I said Russia would eventually back down because it has far too much to lose economically. Russia isn't capable of being a world contender on economic market that is what the world is today.

Russia is essentially just a big oil/gas company but has very little market share of any other industry. Russia is worth about 200 billion a year for it's oil,and gas. While that sounds like a lot, the US for example with those same two industries is good for 1.2 trillion.

Russia doesn't have a lot of heavy hitting industry either, so they don't have a lot of options so Russia simply can not compete if the West turns on it. Putin knows this, so he talks tough and tries to use pressure on the local region, but at the end of the day, we see how things worked out. Ukraine lost some land, but they sign on with the EU.

Now Russia has another unfriendly country next door.. Russia is just a regional power that happens to have some big boy toys.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by crockett

Funny how your tone has changed

It looks like you have confused me with someone else. If you believe that's not true, please quote my post here.

Originally Posted by crockett

now that Russia had to turn tail. Wasn't but just a few weeks ago, you were bragging how Russia would take all of Ukraine.

Are you really that sick? That's impossible to continue "discussing" with you w/o quoting my posts. So, once again, quote me or just shut the fuck up.

[Mark-G]

not going to happen - nobody really care about such piece of shit like Ukraine from both sides (West and Russia)

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Mark-G

not going to happen - nobody really care about such piece of shit like Ukraine from both sides (West and Russia)

Indeed

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

Let's start nuclear war, nuclear winter, and nuclear after wars

Same song in Odessa Ukraine:

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by RummyBoy

No offence, but that's a viewpoint that can ONLY come from western media indoctrination. The exact opposite applies.

It is Russia that has the upper hand, not the USA. Everyone in financial/economic circles knows this and its a main reason why the USA would never push serious sanctions like blocking Putin's travel or going after Putin's assets.

How so? Weeks into this and Russia seems to have given up on taking Ukraine.

Russia moved three older armored vehicles from Russia into Ukraine... And the West watched them do it and then called them out on it. This isn't the 1960s - We can see everything and report on it instantly.

[evy97]

Originally Posted by Rochard

How so? Weeks into this and Russia seems to have given up on taking Ukraine.

It?s very clear that the Russia wanted Crimea, and was willing to risk war for it, but Russia don't give a shit about Ukraine. There is nothing.

Originally Posted by Rochard

Russia moved three older armored vehicles from Russia into Ukraine... And the West watched them do it and then called them out on it. This isn't the 1960s - We can see everything and report on it instantly.

So Americans saw 3 Russian tanks crossing into Ukraine. (Which is not true-> https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20122433&postcount=15)
but Americans did NOT see convoys of thousands of ISIS terrorists going into Iraq



Your argument is stupid and your propaganda is weak.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

It looks like you have confused me with someone else. If you believe that's not true, please quote my post here.



Are you really that sick? That's impossible to continue "discussing" with you w/o quoting my posts. So, once again, quote me or just shut the fuck up.

So you going to tell me you weren't the guy that was calling them nazis every other post?

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by Rochard

How so? Weeks into this and Russia seems to have given up on taking Ukraine.

Russia moved three older armored vehicles from Russia into Ukraine... And the West watched them do it and then called them out on it. This isn't the 1960s - We can see everything and report on it instantly.

For many, many reasons. This is not stuff you're gonna get from the mainstream but its very well documented.

The US is never going to military war with Russia, but they can attack Russia with Sanctions which have very limited effect as all the analysts are saying. They can increase sanctions, then Russia will fight back as it did with the China deal on gas ($400 bn) which is an attack on the Petrodollar. Russia & China also hold large amounts of US debt so you can get a financial, a proxy war and as the other guy said also a cold war.

Use of the dollar as a mode of payment for energy is the fundamental pillar of the petrodollar and the US economy. It keeps the USD as reserve currency and stops the USD from crashing. US has gone to war over the USD petrodollar many times. End of the petrodollar would be a disaster for the US economy.

Greater sanctions means Russia can unleash their hackers on US stockmarkets, bringing down US economy in a single hit. US can do the same to Russia but who has more to lose?

US is a 17 Trillion economy and Russia is less than 2 Trillion.

Russia can also easily fund militants in regions once invaded by the US. Politically, US will be obligated to send troops, engaging resources as is currently happening in Iraq and who knows where that will go. ISIS has just announced Islamic caliphate in Iraq/Syria so things are moving fast in the wrong direction.

List goes on and on and on........ the US government knows this and that is why they are not pressing serious sanctions on Russia. You'll only hear this from analysts so if youre just following mainstream press you wont catch the real story (read between the lines type thing).

[vegasbobby]

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by crockett

So you going to tell me you weren't the guy that was calling them nazis every other post?

Are you for serious? How exactly this question is related to the following bullshit:

Originally Posted by crockett

Funny how your tone has changed, now that Russia had to turn tail. Wasn't but just a few weeks ago, you were bragging how Russia would take all of Ukraine.

I think you have to visit a doctor. Maybe some pills will fix your mental problems.

[Emma]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Yes they could,but to who will then sell gas lol

China signed a 30 year deal to buy Russian natural gas worth $400 billion!

[DerekMister33]

Highly doubtful in a nuclear age like now.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by evy97

It’s very clear that the Russia wanted Crimea, and was willing to risk war for it, but Russia don't give a shit about Ukraine. There is nothing.

it is clear they have vested interest in one of their only warm water bases.

Originally Posted by evy97

So Americans saw 3 Russian tanks crossing into Ukraine. (Which is not true-> https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20122433&postcount=15)
but Americans did NOT see convoys of thousands of ISIS terrorists going into Iraq



Your argument is stupid and your propaganda is weak.

[DerekMister33]

Originally Posted by evy97

It?s very clear that the Russia wanted Crimea, and was willing to risk war for it, but Russia don't give a shit about Ukraine. There is nothing.



So Americans saw 3 Russian tanks crossing into Ukraine. (Which is not true-> https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20122433&postcount=15)
but Americans did NOT see convoys of thousands of ISIS terrorists going into Iraq



Your argument is stupid and your propaganda is weak.