I've seen affiliate programs keep the mega sites or bundles in beta mode for a while before opening them up to affiliates at large. mega sites are our biggest money makers, so I don't mind waiting till they are ready and converting well. Maybe that's what Ruseful will do as well? I hope so, as we could probably double our sales with them just by promoting the mega sites

Hang on... double your sales? Ask them to include you in them? Look beyond the drama and try to earn more money?

That is crazy talk Rabbit! :winkwink:

Contact the program and ask them to fix the leak... if they tell you to go fuck yourself
then post it on the boards so everyone sees their $/clicks are getting ass-raped...

... And then you post things about best $/clicks so hard that you completely ignore the fact of the leak itself.. almost implying that bringing a leak to attention is a wrong thing to do...

Big red crayon doesn't make you less wrong. Sorry to see you struggling with it.

I made it red not to scream but to make sure you understood i was answering that exact question...

So you are saying that a leak should not be brought to attention?
That is not a legitimate thing to do?

Nazi remarks, gay bashing, red crayon... All from you in one thread. Congrats on the hat-trick of nonsense. Scroll up and ask yourself why people don't take advice from you.

Unfortunately, hope is not a strategy.

RUC deceptively introduced their bundled packages without informing their affiliates.
Their response to my inquiry to promote the bundled packages was, "No".

RUC is stealing from their affiliates, including you. Why not go over your numbers and see if/when your sales declined. I'm a small affiliate so I don't have reliable data to figure this out, but you, being large, do.

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Another way to cheat:
I always want to know what the affiliate cookie duration is. RUC told me theirs is 30 days. Hmm... since affiliates have no way of verifying the duration, AND since RUC has shown itself to cheat, wouldn't be smarter (for RUC), to simply set the cookie duration to the NATS' minimum (session duration)?

That might explain why I've had such poor conversion rates on what I consider to be a very good site: massagerooms.com

Bla bla nazi; gay bashing... Distractions distraction that's the only thing you do here... distractions from the only thing this post was about... a fucking rude and ass-raping leak!

You can't smell if people take advice from me or not... besides that my business model is not giving people advice so who cares... And reading the replies on your posts... the majority thinks you're a un-objective clown... which i can totally understand.... the way you totally ignore the leak itself... That's just highly strange...

The only thing i do here is give my opinion... because i'm tired of this kind of shit...

I sincerely hope all programs that deliberately set up structures to minimize affiliate pay outs die off and never return to this stinky rotten corner of business! :321GFY

Congrats on the distracting from the leak itself... while with every bump you bring it into attention again.:thumbsup

Ignoring this question also... it's clear man... it's clear... you don't want to talk about leaks... it's clear...

:error

Time to go back to webmastering school.

Okay... instead of teasing, why not just tell what you think I should learn?
I never claimed to know everything.

and now a word from our sponsor...

There are plugins for browser to view stored cooking data including expiry date. In Chrome all you have to do is turn on developer tools and view site resources.

Yes, I know what you're talking about. But typically there are several cookies whose purpose is not at all obvious. So, how do you know which cookie is that affiliate duration one?

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/s...nspector?hl=en

Try the cookie inspector extension. Once installed visit a site, right click and choose "Inspect Element" and then click on the "Cookies" tab.

You'll be able to right click all cookies and inspect expiry dates.

To you nothing is clear....

$/click INCLUDES all leaks, shaves, lack of updates, bad tours, poor ratios, good ratios, blah blah blah blah.

Once YOU know what YOUR traffic is worth based on similar sites in the same niche, you can easily approximate how much a new site might send you as $/click. If they pay you much more than that, great. If you they pay you much less than that, find a new sponsor. What you feel about it, why you think it happens, all the rest is nonsense and the entire analysis is INCLUDED in $/click.

If you are really confused, take some time and think it through. Ask friends who have made money in this business over a long period of time. If you aren't confused and are just being thick on purpose, good luck with that.

How much you get PAID is what matters. Not how much you think you were promised or how much you hope to get paid or how much you wish you were paid or any of the rest of that idiocy.

You sent X clicks, you got PAID Y dollars.

It's MATH... simple fucking math. :2 cents:

I downloaded the Cookie Inspector extension.
Lo and behold, I found two cookies ("nats" and "nats_cookie") with expiration dates 30 days into the future. So I guess one of them is the affiliate cookie.

Great tool (much easier than using Chrome to navigate to the cookie page).

Apparently, RUC is only a partial scumbag, considering many quality adult sites only offer
1-3 day affiliate cookies

Ok even though you are completely missing the point of this thread and what every other person is trying to tell you, I will bite.

Your click/$ method is deeply flawed.

It does not take into account (zero thought and I am guessing you will reply with a barrage of veiled insults and claim this and taht) anyways you do not take into account time &/or expenses.

It is all good and well to make xx per click however if it takes up xxx hours and costs xxx then making x per click for x hours and x costs is a far better option :2 cents:

With regards to this actual thread - dealing with people who are likely to take advantage of you will always end in tears :2 cents:

Forget all of your click/$ - you did not invent this method, everyone understands it.

To me everything is clear... even your $/clicks theory...

Yes it's math... major leaks make you less money... very simple and clear math...

Why can't a webmaster point out a leak at sponsor B and trying to get $30 with 3 sales? Instead of $20 with 2 sales... Then it would be 30/100 = $/clicks instead of 20/100 = $/clicks... That's math too...

You focus on sending your traffic to best $/clicks... what if you get best $/clicks at program who is shaving? Simply ignore because you have best $/clicks there? It means you accept getting the best $/clicks and at the same time accept less you are entiteled to. Very simple math...

And regarding to promising... No one is promising conversion-rates. If people could only promise not to leak deliberately! The fact that you try to repeat the word promise all the time... is just delusive

Further...
-traffic and it's quality is not static.
-Paysites and the quality of it's updates is not static

So good luck with grabbing your targetted traffic and send it eslewhere all the time after your $/clicks decline...

Above average $/click program on a revshare basis. Send them recurring members over several months. Program closes doors, you lose all your rebilling members and balance owed. $/click is great and all if you get paid instantly and can build and retarget instantly to new programs. And also don't count ethical/moral/legal issues. Malware installers I bet pay great per click!

Also it completely disregards the amount of impressions to get your $/click. I could put a gay ad up on a straight site that no one clicks except for the 1 gay dude that is lost who signs up and buys a membership. Great $/click, so I should cover my straight site with dicks? Of course not.

But that is too many Ifs to for it to really be that simple, but you insist on running up these huge threads saying it over and over. I do realize you do it because you are a writer and like to show off your writing talents, you've said this before. But then you are just pushing a sensational topic like the only thing important in making money on the internet is $/click which obviously a good deal of people disagree with. Again. And again.

Happy BDay JT!

Yes it does. As mentioned a few times earlier in the thread, we are talking about NET $/click.

In order to determine your $/click you need to figure out two simple things.

1 - Exactly how much total value did you get. That includes any cash paid to you, branding value, bonus amounts, traffic deals, ancillary business etc.. Depending on your business model the total value may be as simple as 'the check says X and that's the total' or it can become very complicated as it does in my case since I operate affiliate sites, paysites of my own, service provider sites and so on. If you can not figure out your own total value received, you are seriously in the wrong business. If you can't figure out someone else's total value, don't worry... knowing it wouldn't help you anyway.

2 - You must know the exact cost per click you sent. Not all clicks are the same. Creating a review site and sending clicks from it has a much higher cost per click than creating a landing page and trading traffic to it. Buying clicks are all at different prices depending on the source, niche, volume and so on. Again, you must be able to determine your own cost per click or you are lost... but it makes no difference whether or not you think you can accurately ascertain the cost someone else is expending to get clicks.

Once you know your total value received and your complete cost per click, you are ready to divide one by the other to determine your own NET $/click. Without that calculation you as well take your money, pass it through a blender and stuff it in your ass...

Now that you know your own NET $/click you have a decision to make. Am I happy with where the traffic is going now and unwilling to risk trying another sponsor? Do I want to send to many sponsors to reduce risk or go with a single sponsor to increase my status with a particular program? How can I squeeze the maximum value out of each click, and how can I reduce the cost of acquiring each click as much as possible? THAT is what you do for a living as an affiliate. Everything else is nonsense.

If creating clicks for a sponsor is too costly... find another way to do it or find another sponsor. If the value you receive is too low, find a better sponsor or build a better alternative yourself.

Read the post above. You are right that I did not invent this.... It was explained to me very early in my web career by people who took the time to educate me. Quiet, Sheri, Easton, Pornwolf, Noone, Shok and dozens of other people who were kind enough to show me how to make money at this.... the big difference is I listened when other people taught me a clearer way to think and so did many others back then... now it seems people are more interested in drama than they are in profitability. :2 cents:

No. You clearly still do not get it. Major leaks do NOT make you less money. Major leaks lower the $/click you earn from a sponsor. If that amount is STILL higher than anyone else will pay you for the clicks, it is still the best place to sell your clicks and that is exactly what your clicks are actually worth. On the other hand, if leaks reduce the $/click lower than someone else will pay you, that is good reason to send traffic to that other sponsor instead so you can earn more. The amount you earn is based on how much someone will pay for the clicks. Your job is to find the place that actually pays the most... until someone else pays more.

Leaks, shaves, poor conversions, weak tours, slow updates etc etc etc do not cost you ANY money. They cost the sponsor money, because YOU move your traffic somewhere else. What costs you money is YOUR failure to track your stats and make moves when they benefit you. :2 cents:

By avoiding those who adopt shady methods, you are going to run into less drama :2 cents:

I do not disagree with calculating the dollars and cents of it, what you are missing is the shady tactics that are adopted by some - that is the key to this entire thread.

:2 cents:

Having said that, I will not be returning to this thread as it is more than played out and you are most definitely not going to change your tune at all.

Read First... then post.
Everything you posted has already been answered several times. :2 cents:

What you are missing is if you understand the math, nobody can change the numbers. You actually earn exactly what you are actually paid divided by the cost of the clicks you sent. Nothing anyone else does will ever make that number higher or lower.

If you planned to send traffic ONE time and then retire, your argument would make some sense because the tracking wouldn't have any value... it can't save your first batch value. However, that is not the case for anyone here. You plan to send traffic, track it, figure out the profitability and then decide where to send the next batch of traffic. Therefore if someone can 'screw you' on one batch of traffic, it becomes entirely meaningless as long as you tracked the stats, saw the results and made the appropriate moves.

As long as every batch of traffic you send earns you the maximum amount of money it could have earned... you are earning 100% of the available money for your traffic. The guy or gal who pays you the most for your clicks is never screwing you... if you send traffic to someone who pays you second most then you are the one screwing yourself (regardless of how you "feel about it" or why they paid less). All the rest is nonsense.

You are indeed quite Relentless

Yes they do...

Yes they do...

And exactly that is your argument to not bring a leak into attention? :1orglaugh
Simply accept it and accept a lower $/click and thus less money... Owh wait... not less then you would get somewhere else... yeah... well... this is not about somewhere else...

You think in terms of comparison to other programs. I think in getting what you are entiteled to get at a certain sponsor. A leak like this isn't imaginary anymore... it isn't about "could haves" anymore.... it's something different then a facebook link in a footer...

Could someone please inform this guy this thread is about a leak and not about $/clicks?:thumbsup

Thanks. It's a very useful thing to be.

It basically seems like you're saying "Yeah, it happens, but as long as they pay you more per click (all clicks aren't equal, btw..) then keep promoting them since what we as webmasters see as "leaks", those are legal in the TOS and aren't going to change. If you don't like it, make your own program or unique way to monetize without relying on affiliate links with leaks."?

At least that's what is seems like you've been saying. If so, I still don't see why it's a problem to address these issues to other webmasters who may like to be informed of such details of programs that we promote..

I already read that whole last lucas thread not reading the same 5 page thing again

Thats really useful

this is not my thread, first, and second, relentless is the one who is making 5 pages threads from it, dont you think the problem is somewhere else than on my side? :winkwink: anyway if you dont care about traffic leaks and other sponsor glitches, of course dont read all that stupid threads :) :upsidedow

Could someone please inform this guy that the ONLY THING that matters is $/click? :thumbsup

page 5 bump

people who dont care about their traffic care about $/click, people who care about their traffic care about sponsors :thumbsup

oh, and i dont mean about how much their traffic can make, but about how much their traffic can get possibly scammed ... :winkwink:

strange that ruc has not responded to this

This again.

Thanks to the OP for posting first of all.

Once again the bros are here (or bro wannabees) telling us that we shouldn't pay attention to this issue. Let's please keep it out of the spotlight and the rationale is that it is better for 'us'.

Amazing that something so trivial to them has them in these threads with such gusto.

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Can't see anyone saying that. I see people saying that what is important is how much money you make per click.

you and your 'possiblies' again.

fuck 'possible'

how much money is in your bank at the end of the month from Sponsor A. That is the only measure that matters.

Two fiddy people who are bad at maths.

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Sorry you think my use of those pesky 'word' things is making you look a little silly. But to be fair, I just quote what you say. So maybe if you said less, or made more sense, I'd have less ammunition?

Just an idea.

:1orglaugh sorry, i dont have time to troll with you here ... :)

where would you prefer to troll with me?

(it's good you've admitted you're just trolling though, I *knew* deep down you couldn't be as short-sighted as your posts suggest :))