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JFPdude · 03-09-2003, 12:43 PM

I have a lot of friends in this business thats working thier tails off trying to make a living. And I'm seeing more and more scams out there and it's pissing me off.

I have a few things to say then I'll feel better:

1. Domains with no design, personality, traffic, or content of any nature are not worth thousands of dollars people. Maybe they came with those price tags in 1997 or 1998 but today domains are a dime a dozen.

2. Programs that are free for download on sourceforge.net should never come with a price tag of 4-500 dollars for installation. If this is what your going to do to friends of mine then prepare to be blacklisted from the rest of my contacts.

3. Designers right now have bad names. Yes a few bad apples spoiled the bunch. Me nor my friends will not at any point give you 100% up front for work and be told we can expect results in 3-4 weeks ... If this is how you want to treat people I send your way expect your name to be scratched from my list of refferals.

As you all know I own cheatski.com well fair warning to the scammers out there ... I'm going to start doing more with that domain!!!!!!! You scam a friend of mine after I sent you the work in the first place expect your name to be listed there. I will make it public for all to see.

There is plenty of legitimate money in this industry whether you be a host, programmer, designer, traffic broker, or any of the other people webmasters need for support and services everyday. I am making it a goal to oust scammers from my network of friends.

There I feel better now ... I think I'll go fuck myself while I have the chance.

candyflip · 03-09-2003, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by JFPdude

2. Programs that are free for download on sourceforge.net should never come with a price tag of 4-500 dollars for installation. If this is what your going to do to friends of mine then prepare to be blacklisted from the rest of my contacts.

Sorry to burst your bubble...but that's exactly how open source is suppossed to work. Don't want to pay? Have fun figuring it out for yourself. You've got the source code

JFPdude · 03-09-2003, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by candyflip

Sorry to burst your bubble...but that's exactly how open source is suppossed to work. Don't want to pay? Have fun figuring it out for yourself. You've got the source code

Well let me rephrase this. Open source comes with a GNU license ... it is ILLEGAL to sell that software as your own. Yes you can charge what you want to install it but you should never never never claim you wrote it and then sell it as exclusive software.

Your claim is right I represented what happened the wrong way.

There I feel better about this subject now I'll go back to fuicking myself.

Loch · 03-09-2003, 12:50 PM

funny you should mention this really.
To me it looks like there are FAR less ppl getting scrwed today then just 6 months ago, could be wrong though i just dont see ppl scream about it as much any more.

JFPdude · 03-09-2003, 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by Loch
funny you should mention this really.
To me it looks like there are FAR less ppl getting scrwed today then just 6 months ago, could be wrong though i just dont see ppl scream about it as much any more.

I have been awake 5 hours now. 4 of those hours have been on the phone with 6 of my friends who have been screwed for big money this week alone.

Sly_RJ · 03-09-2003, 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by Loch
funny you should mention this really.
To me it looks like there are FAR less ppl getting scrwed today then just 6 months ago, could be wrong though i just dont see ppl scream about it as much any more.

You scammer!

Brad Mitchell · 03-09-2003, 12:52 PM

Let the ousting begin! If I can help or exert any pressure on behalf of your comrades just let me know

Brad

Loch · 03-09-2003, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

You scammer!

Yeah thats me, always out for a quick buck

candyflip · 03-09-2003, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by JFPdude

Your claim is right I represented what happened the wrong way.

That does suck. But you can actually do that and adhere to the GPL at the same time. That license can be a bit schitzo.

Loch · 03-09-2003, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by JFPdude

I have been awake 5 hours now. 4 of those hours have been on the phone with 6 of my friends who have been screwed for big money this week alone.

That sounds totally crazy

Good thing i check everything out twice.
Though im sure it will eventually be my turn

Mutt · 03-09-2003, 12:56 PM

you're right about there being a helluva lot of scamming shitheads in this business but the examples you gave aren't scammers.

as the guy above said, just cuz those Sourceforge projects are free open source doesn't mean there isn't 400 or 500 dollars worth of work for somebody to get it running the way you want on your server.

as for designers taking 3 or 4 weeks and asking for the money upfront. 3 or 4 weeks to get your design is entirely reasonable.
No designer with any success is waiting around with no work on his hands just ready the minute you or somebody has a job for him. you'll wait longer for the top guys than a month.
As for 100% payment up front, that's the designer's choice. It should only be 50%, the rest due upon completion of the project.

pick better targets.

JFPdude · 03-09-2003, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by candyflip

That does suck. But you can actually do that and adhere to the GPL at the same time. That license can be a bit schitzo.

So your telling me that to install phpmyadmin is worth 250 dollars ?

Please say this publicly.

Sly_RJ · 03-09-2003, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by JFPdude

So your telling me that to install phpmyadmin is worth 250 dollars ?

Please say this publicly.

Uhh... no. That isn't anything close to what he said.

JFPdude · 03-09-2003, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Uhh... no. That isn't anything close to what he said.

Heh well it's that exact thing that pissed me off 30 minutes ago. A friend of mine was charged 250 dollars for a simple install of phpmyadmin.

It's things like that I will be exposing.

I agree if someone gets a script modified thats totally between the customer and the programmer but to outright sell a script like phpmyadmin with no modifications at all and say you wrote the damn thing let me catch this again and I will definetly expose the person doing it.

candyflip · 03-09-2003, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by JFPdude

So your telling me that to install phpmyadmin is worth 250 dollars ?

Please say this publicly.

If someone can't do it, and is willing to pay $250. Then hell yeah it's worth the $250. I wouldn't pay it, but I'm sure those people wouldn't be charging that if someone wasn't. They're probably targeting a business crowd. $250 to install a piece of software that could help them manage their data...that sounds like a deal to me.

You just gave me an extra $250 padding for my small business proposals. Thanks

pr0 · 03-09-2003, 01:07 PM

tons of scammers out there these days, i'd say more than 2 years ago for sure...

JFPdude · 03-09-2003, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by candyflip

If someone can't do it, and is willing to pay $250. Then hell yeah it's worth the $250. I wouldn't pay it, but I'm sure those people wouldn't be charging that if someone wasn't. They're probably targeting a business crowd. $250 to install a piece of software that could help them manage their data...that sounds like a deal to me.

You just gave me an extra $250 padding for my small business proposals. Thanks

Cool I love competition.

Let me show you the american way then. If your a customer of mine I'll instal it for free for you. If your not it will be 15 dollar installation. Because for the 2 minutes it takes thats a fair and resonable price.

asuna · 03-09-2003, 01:09 PM

Good idea for the cheatski.com idea, you should have a fraud part too so sponors can add them to their scrub list!

iroc409 · 03-09-2003, 01:09 PM

i'll install phpBB for ya for $300.

candyflip · 03-09-2003, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by JFPdude
It's things like that I will be exposing.

In that particular case, you're not exposing anything. These people are operating within the GPL license. Your friend hired them to do the job, that was their cost. You can't blame them, they're not doing anything wrong.

progex · 03-09-2003, 01:14 PM

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3. Designers right now have bad names. Yes a few bad apples spoiled the bunch. Me nor my friends will not at any point give you 100% up front for work and be told we can expect results in 3-4 weeks ... If this is how you want to treat people I send your way expect your name to be scratched from my list of refferals.

Are you more concerned about the 100% upfront payment or the time length of the project?

JFPdude · 03-09-2003, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by candyflip

In that particular case, you're not exposing anything. These people are operating within the GPL license. Your friend hired them to do the job, that was their cost. You can't blame them, they're not doing anything wrong.

Listen I will speak slower for you.

T H E P R O G R A M M E R S A I D H E W R O T E I T .

Thats fraud and against the gpl license. Read the license again. Then come back and play.

Va2k · 03-09-2003, 01:14 PM

hey jfp call me if you can, 757-224-2367

iroc409 · 03-09-2003, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by candyflip

In that particular case, you're not exposing anything. These people are operating within the GPL license. Your friend hired them to do the job, that was their cost. You can't blame them, they're not doing anything wrong.

yeah, if they paid it, it was their fault. they should have shopped around

"payment for services rendered" isn't covered in the gpl to my knowledge.

JFPdude · 03-09-2003, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by progex

Are you more concerned about the 100% upfront payment or the time length of the project?

The 100% up front payment ... 3-4 weeks for a good designer is a reasonable timeframe.

iroc409 · 03-09-2003, 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by JFPdude

Listen I will speak slower for you.

T H E P R O G R A M M E R S A I D H E W R O T E I T .

Thats fraud and against the gpl license. Read the license again. Then come back and play.

you forgot a space.

asuna · 03-09-2003, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by va2k
hey jfp call me if you can, 757-224-2367

Is that some "your a dickface" line?

asuna · 03-09-2003, 01:17 PM

oh wait its not
http://www.pimpingporn.com/contact.htm

JFPdude · 03-09-2003, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by iroc409

you forgot a space.

Hahahaha I'll add an extra space here then. LO L

iroc409 · 03-09-2003, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by JFPdude

Hahahaha I'll add an extra space here then. LO L

mrbling · 03-09-2003, 01:33 PM

thank you for posting your useless thoughts.

now shut the fuck up and hope you get ripped 30x this year.

Jak · 03-09-2003, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by JFPdude
Let me show you the american way then. If your a customer of mine I'll instal it for free for you. If your not it will be 15 dollar installation. Because for the 2 minutes it takes thats a fair and resonable price.

2 minutes to install, then 25 e-mails back and forth asking how to use it, then another 2 e-mails every month or so asking how to restore it after they accidentally deleted it. That's worth only $15.00 to you?

JFPdude · 03-09-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by Jak

2 minutes to install, then 25 e-mails back and forth asking how to use it, then another 2 e-mails every month or so asking how to restore it after they accidentally deleted it. That's worth only $15.00 to you?

Ok now you opened another realm. If the contract was for tech support on it thats a whole different story and again you can charge someone for tech support under the gnu license.

But after the install he was told look at the docs I don't provide support for the product unless you want to pay XX per hour.

JFPdude · 03-09-2003, 01:40 PM

and if they did something like deleted it then that voids the install and you charge again right ?

I have no problems with that ... again like I said it was presented as "I wrote this program"

Interlude · 03-09-2003, 01:50 PM

None of the things you listed are scams... everyone is aware of these things, their costs and their risks ahead of time.

JFPdude · 03-09-2003, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by Interlude
None of the things you listed are scams... everyone is aware of these things, their costs and their risks ahead of time.

Ok so you pay designers you don't know and never heard of 100% up front ?

Cool good to know I have a new business plan now. Last night I was offered a killer design domain name for sale let me go register it and when I make a deal under a new gfy name I'll expect 100% up front and no flack for it because a few people now have said thats legit.

G Sharp · 03-09-2003, 02:00 PM

Even if I've heard of the designer or even worked with them before, I never pay up front. That's just the nature of Service Work--and the graphics guys I deal with know this and don't do it any other way. There are guys who ask money up front before rendering any service and I'm sure some of them are good and some actually produce converting materials but I'll never use them b/c I pay after the work is delivered and fine tuned.

Just my

Quote:

Originally posted by JFPdude

Ok so you pay designers you don't know and never heard of 100% up front ?

Cool good to know I have a new business plan now. Last night I was offered a killer design domain name for sale let me go register it and when I make a deal under a new gfy name I'll expect 100% up front and no flack for it because a few people now have said thats legit.

foreverjason · 03-09-2003, 02:21 PM

JFPdude

I completely agree with you, is the world going to shit or is it just me?

Va2k · 03-09-2003, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by asuna

Is that some "your a dickface" line?

wtf is this about? I can't ask a friend to call? I swear some peoples kids

03-09-2003, 12:43 PM	#1
JFPdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mountains of Western North Carolina. Posts: 4,027	I'm pissed and need to speak out. I have a lot of friends in this business thats working thier tails off trying to make a living. And I'm seeing more and more scams out there and it's pissing me off. I have a few things to say then I'll feel better: 1. Domains with no design, personality, traffic, or content of any nature are not worth thousands of dollars people. Maybe they came with those price tags in 1997 or 1998 but today domains are a dime a dozen. 2. Programs that are free for download on sourceforge.net should never come with a price tag of 4-500 dollars for installation. If this is what your going to do to friends of mine then prepare to be blacklisted from the rest of my contacts. 3. Designers right now have bad names. Yes a few bad apples spoiled the bunch. Me nor my friends will not at any point give you 100% up front for work and be told we can expect results in 3-4 weeks ... If this is how you want to treat people I send your way expect your name to be scratched from my list of refferals. As you all know I own cheatski.com well fair warning to the scammers out there ... I'm going to start doing more with that domain!!!!!!! You scam a friend of mine after I sent you the work in the first place expect your name to be listed there. I will make it public for all to see. There is plenty of legitimate money in this industry whether you be a host, programmer, designer, traffic broker, or any of the other people webmasters need for support and services everyday. I am making it a goal to oust scammers from my network of friends. There I feel better now ... I think I'll go fuck myself while I have the chance.

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	you're right about there being a helluva lot of scamming shitheads in this business but the examples you gave aren't scammers. as the guy above said, just cuz those Sourceforge projects are free open source doesn't mean there isn't 400 or 500 dollars worth of work for somebody to get it running the way you want on your server. as for designers taking 3 or 4 weeks and asking for the money upfront. 3 or 4 weeks to get your design is entirely reasonable. No designer with any success is waiting around with no work on his hands just ready the minute you or somebody has a job for him. you'll wait longer for the top guys than a month. As for 100% payment up front, that's the designer's choice. It should only be 50%, the rest due upon completion of the project. pick better targets. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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JFPdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mountains of Western North Carolina. Posts: 4,027	and if they did something like deleted it then that voids the install and you charge again right ? I have no problems with that ... again like I said it was presented as "I wrote this program"

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Interlude Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: State of Denial Posts: 1,147	None of the things you listed are scams... everyone is aware of these things, their costs and their risks ahead of time.

03-09-2003, 02:21 PM	#38
foreverjason Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,452	JFPdude I completely agree with you, is the world going to shit or is it just me?