News Eric Cantor primaried by tea party

[arock10]

Second ranked house of representatives congressman beat by tea party challenger in primary

ouch.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/us...mary.html?_r=0

[crockett]

If only he had a gun..

[kane]

This is classic. He and the republicans spent so much time opposing everything Obama did that they forgot to actually try to do anything positive themselves and it looks like it is backfiring on them.

[edgeprod]

Fucking hilarious. Beaten by an economics professor with little political experience. Gotta love it!

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by kane

This is classic. He and the republicans spent so much time opposing everything Obama did that they forgot to actually try to do anything positive themselves and it looks like it is backfiring on them.

he

He lost because of his support to push through amnesty. Not very conservative hurt a tad. But support of the illegals was his demise.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by edgeprod

Fucking hilarious. Beaten by an economics professor with little political experience. Gotta love it!

Hey, at least he wasn't a community organizer, I hear those guys have absolutely no experience at all.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Axeman

he

He lost because of his support to push through amnesty. Not very conservative hurt a tad. But support of the illegals was his demise.

It really shows the geographic nature of politics. He loses because of his support of an amnesty style bill while Lindsay Graham was outspoken about his support for a bill like this and won pretty easily. Of course Graham had 6 opponents to split the vote up. It may have been much closer if he had just one opponent.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by kane

It really shows the geographic nature of politics. He loses because of his support of an amnesty style bill while Lindsay Graham was outspoken about his support for a bill like this and won pretty easily. Of course Graham had 6 opponents to split the vote up. It may have been much closer if he had just one opponent.

Yep with no one tea party group, they sometimes run multiple candidates which is what definitely helped Graham.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by edgeprod

Fucking hilarious. Beaten by an economics professor with little political experience. Gotta love it!

I have no idea who the guy is...but I'd like to see a LOT more people with "little political experience" in office (for one term).

Politicians weren't supposed to be lifetime parasites with no real jobs and living in Washington.

The founding fathers kind of envisioned that we would ALL have the opportunity to serve in local, state, and federal govt.

Guys with a lot of "political experience" have put us 17 trillion dollars in debt and hated around the world for our foreign policy.

Their "experience" seems to be in how to gain power and hold it. Fuck them.

[crockett]

Ok, I checked out this guys website..

I was gonna give him 1 point for have a picture of him and Obama talking. That would typically be like against Tea Party rules.. so was gonna give him a a prop..

However then I turned the page and see a great big blaring picture of Ronald Reagan.. Vendzilla is getting a raging hard-on right about now.

Point deducted..

Then I read through his "what we believe". Was noting too, too crazy, just typical GOp promises which are never lived up to. Talk of fiscal responsibility, freedom and cherry pie.. yadda yadda yadda..

However then the last thing..

"That faith in God, as recognized by our Founding Fathers is essential to the moral fiber of the Nation."

Umm hello can someone tell these Religious Right rim jobs that most of the founding fathers of this country were atheist..

These are quotes by many of the founding fathers and a good deal of them despised religion.

1. ?If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.?
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789
2. ?Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.?
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792

3. ?We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition? In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man?s religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.?
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793

4. ?The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.?
~John Adams, ?A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America? 1787-1788

5. ?The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.?
~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams
6. ?Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.?
~Founding Father John Adams, ?A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America? (1787-88)

7. ?We should begin by setting conscience free. When all men of all religions shall enjoy equal liberty, property, and an equal chance for honors and power we may expect that improvements will be made in the human character and the state of society.?
~Founding FatherJohn Adams, letter to Dr. Price, April 8, 1785

8. ?I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.?
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut, 1802

9. ?In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is error alone that needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.?
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Horatio Spofford, 1814

10. ?Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear.?
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
11. ?I am for freedom of religion and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another.?
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Elbridge Gerry, January 26, 1799

12. ?History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.?
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson: in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813

13. ?Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person?s life, freedom of religion affects every individual.

State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of the church tends to make the clergy unresponsive to the people and leads to corruption within religion. Erecting the ?wall of separation between church and state,? therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society. We have solved ? the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws. And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries.?
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson: in a speech to the Virginia Baptists, 1808

14. ?Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.?
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814,

15. ?The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.?
~Founding Father James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, ?Essays In Addition to America?s Real Religion?
16. ?And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.?
~Founding Father James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

17. ?Every new and successful example of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters is of importance.?
~Founding Father James Madison, letter, 1822

18. ?Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.?
~Founding Father James Madison; Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, Ecclesiastical
Endowments

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[crockett]

19. ?It is only when the people become ignorant and corrupt, when they degenerate into a populace, that they are incapable of exercising the sovereignty. Usurpation is then an easy attainment, and an usurper soon found. The people themselves become the willing instruments of their own debasement and ruin. Let us, then, look to the great cause, and endeavor to preserve it in full force. Let us by all wise and constitutional measures promote intelligence among the people as the best means of preserving our liberties.?
~Founding Father James Monroe, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1817

20. ?When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obligated to call for help of the civil power, it?s a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.?
~Founding Father Benjamin Franklin, letter to Richard Price, October 9, 1780
21. ?Manufacturers, who listening to the powerful invitations of a better price for their fabrics, or their labor, of greater cheapness of provisions and raw materials, of an exemption from the chief part of the taxes burdens and restraints, which they endure in the old world, of greater personal independence and consequence, under the operation of a more equal government, and of what is far more precious than mere religious toleration?a perfect equality of religious privileges; would probably flock from Europe to the United States to pursue their own trades or professions, if they were once made sensible of the advantages they would enjoy, and were inspired with an assurance of encouragement and employment, will, with difficulty, be induced to transplant themselves, with a view to becoming cultivators of the land.?
~Founding Father Alexander Hamilton: Report on the Subject of Manufacturers December 5,
1791

22. ?In regard to religion, mutual toleration in the different professions thereof is what all good and candid minds in all ages have ever practiced, and both by precept and example inculcated on mankind.?
~Samuel Adams, The Rights of the Colonists (1771)

23. ?That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forebearance, love, and charity towards each other.?
~Founding Father George Mason, Virginia Bill of Rights, 1776

24. ?It is contrary to the principles of reason and justice that any should be compelled to contribute to the maintenance of a church with which their consciences will not permit them to join, and from which they can derive no benefit; for remedy whereof, and that equal liberty as well religious as civil, may be universally extended to all the good people of this commonwealth.?
~Founding Father George Mason, Virginia Declaration of Rights, 1776

25. ?A man of abilities and character, of any sect whatever, may be admitted to any office or public trust under the United States. I am a friend to a variety of sects, because they keep one another in order. How many different sects are we composed of throughout the United States? How many different sects will be in congress? We cannot enumerate the sects that may be in congress. And there are so many now in the United States that they will prevent the establishment of any one sect in prejudice to the rest, and will forever oppose all attempts to infringe religious liberty. If such an attempt be made, will not the alarm be sounded throughout America? If congress be as wicked as we are foretold they will, they would not run the risk of exciting the resentment of all, or most of the religious sects in America.?
~Founding Father Edmund Randolph, address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June
10, 1788

26. ?I never liked the Hierarchy of the Church ? an equality in the teacher of Religion, and a dependence on the people, are republican sentiments ? but if the Clergy combine, they will have their influence on Government?
~Founding Father Rufus King, Rufus King: American Federalist, pp. 56-57

27. A general toleration of Religion appears to me the best means of peopling our country? The free exercise of religion hath stocked the Northern part of the continent with inhabitants; and altho? Europe hath in great measure adopted a more moderate policy, yet the profession of Protestantism is extremely inconvenient in many places there. A Calvinist, a Lutheran, or Quaker, who hath felt these inconveniences in Europe, sails not to Virginia, where they are felt perhaps in a (greater degree).?
~Patrick Henry, observing that immigrants flock to places where there is no established religion, Religious Tolerance, 1766

28. ?No religious doctrine shall be established by law.?
~Founding Father Elbridge Gerry, Annals of Congress 1:729-731
29. ?Knowledge and liberty are so prevalent in this country, that I do not believe that the United States would ever be disposed to establish one religious sect, and lay all others under legal disabilities. But as we know not what may take place hereafter, and any such test would be exceedingly injurious to the rights of free citizens, I cannot think it altogether superfluous to have added a clause, which secures us from the possibility of such oppression.?
~Founding Father Oliver Wolcott, Connecticut Ratifying Convention, 9 January 1788

30. ?Some very worthy persons, who have not had great advantages for information, have objected against that clause in the constitution which provides, that no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. They have been afraid that this clause is unfavorable to religion. But my countrymen, the sole purpose and effect of it is to exclude persecution, and to secure to you the important right of religious
liberty. We are almost the only people in the world, who have a full enjoyment of this important right of human nature. In our country every man has a right to worship God in that way which is most agreeable to his conscience. If he be a good and peaceable person he is liable to no penalties or incapacities on account of his religious sentiments; or in other words, he is not subject to persecution. But in other parts of the world, it has been, and still is, far different. Systems of religious error have been adopted, in times of ignorance. It has been the interest of tyrannical kings, popes, and prelates, to maintain these errors. When the clouds of ignorance began to vanish, and the people grew more enlightened, there was no other way to keep them in error, but to prohibit their altering their religious opinions by severe persecuting laws. In this way persecution became general throughout Europe.?
~Founding Father Oliver Ellsworth, Philip B Kurland and Ralph Lerner (eds.), The Founder?s Constitution, University of Chicago Press, 1987, Vol. 4, p.
638

31. ?Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law. Take away the law-establishment, and every religion re-assumes its original benignity.?
~Thomas Paine, The Rights of Man, 1791

32. ?God has appointed two kinds of government in the world, which are distinct in their nature, and ought never to be confounded together; one of which is called civil, the other ecclesiastical government.?
~Founding Father Isaac Backus, An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty, 1773

33. ?Congress has no power to make any religious establishments.?
~Founding Father Roger Sherman, Congress, August 19, 1789

34. ?The American states have gone far in assisting the progress of truth; but they have stopped short of perfection. They ought to have given every honest citizen an equal right to enjoy his religion and an equal title to all civil emoluments, without obliging him to tell his religion. Every interference of the civil power in regulating opinion, is an impious attempt to take the business of the Deity out of his own hands; and every preference given to any religious denomination, is so far slavery and bigotry.?
~Founding Father Noah Webster, calling for no religious tests to serve in public office, Sketches of American Policy, 1785

35. ?The legislature of the United States shall pass no law on the subject of religion.?
~Founding Father Charles Pinckney, Constitutional Convention, 1787

Do these guys sound pro religion to anyone?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I have no idea who the guy is...but I'd like to see a LOT more people with "little political experience" in office (for one term).

Politicians weren't supposed to be lifetime parasites with no real jobs and living in Washington.

The founding fathers kind of envisioned that we would ALL have the opportunity to serve in local, state, and federal govt.

Guys with a lot of "political experience" have put us 17 trillion dollars in debt and hated around the world for our foreign policy.

Their "experience" seems to be in how to gain power and hold it. Fuck them.

I wonder what would happen if everyone on a airliner just randomly selected the most popular person on the plane to be the pilot.

Having experience is not the enemy and having a bunch of in-experienced people in office would lead this country to into ruins. This is why I can't take things you say seriously, because you don't think them through.

The enemy is not the experience or that they are career politicians, the enemy is the money in politics. If we just had one term guys after one term guys it would just be a bunch of people whom were paid to push through a specific agenda for whom ever had the most money. We would end up having a bunch of Dick Cheney's .. just in for the quick profits with no care of the harm they do or worried about continuing their political careers.

They wouldn't care what you thought of them, because they would be out the next term. Really Robbie, do you actually think through the long term affects of these ideas of yours?

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by crockett

Do these guys sound pro religion to anyone?

Lets give him a break for now first time i heard him was on Hannity tonight. Hannity was trying to bait him to trash the dems but he didn't bite. He basically said there are problem with both party's and he is right.

But i will say the republicans are now are like wtf just happened $200k budget for Brat and $5 million budget for Cantor


P.S i really wish someone would punch Hannity in his grill!

[marcop]

Some good articles on Vox.com about this: http://www.vox.com/2014/6/10/5798582...antor-is-toast

Ezra Klein's news website (Vox) has been slowly getting better and has some interesting things to say about the demise of Cantor and the influence of the Tea Party.

More: Eleven Political Lessons from Eric Cantor's Loss: http://www.vox.com/2014/6/10/5798604...ss-VA-politics

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

I wonder what would happen if everyone on a airliner just randomly selected the most popular person on the plane to be the pilot.

Having experience is not the enemy and having a bunch of in-experienced people in office would lead this country to into ruins. This is why I can't take things you say seriously, because you don't think them through.

Really Robbie, do you actually think through the long term affects of these ideas of yours?

Yep, and my "ideas" are in line with Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington.

Being a politician isn't brain surgery. And it's not a skill to be trained for like an airline pilot.
They go in, and are told by the party leader (majority leader, minority leader, whip) how to vote and when to vote. And that is all about servicing the corporations who are the benefactors of the senior members.

Do you really think that John McCain is somehow a genius? Or Harry Reid is smarter than you are? Or Nancy Pelosi? Or Ted Cruz? Or fucking John Boehner?

Give me a break. This country is SUPPOSED to be Of The People and For The People.
WE are the people. And these lifetime parasites need to be put out to pasture.

By the way...I agree 100% about the bullshit that politicians (especially "social conservatives") try to push down our throats with religion.

This country was founded by men who knew that religion was superstitious nonsense. They were true progressive men of science.

And like everything...it's been perverted by politicians looking for ways to gain power.

It makes me sick to see our Presidents proclaiming their "faith" and during elections watching them try to "out-religion" their opposition.

In a sane world...it would be just the opposite.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by kane

This is classic. He and the republicans spent so much time opposing everything Obama did that they forgot to actually try to do anything positive themselves and it looks like it is backfiring on them.

This seems to have been the plan - they started with the economy and then Obamacare. The problem is the economy is doing just fine - great really - and Obamacare is a reality, not really so bad (still needs some fixing), but is here to stay.

(No worries, some Republican will pull out a negative fact about the economy and hype it, such as median income is down or median net worth is down [obviously because of the massive fucking recession where people lost their houses, but that's not important], and then Vendzilla will be here to tell us how we are counting unemployment wrong and then point bring up a terrorist attack and how it was played down same old same old....)

What the Republican party seems to have missed is that they are no longer fighting Obama - they fought that battle and lost. They are already gearing up for the next battle, attacking Hillary, which is already full of fail - They keep harping on benghazi which is utterly not important (Do we really need an investigation on how or why the White House decided to down play it? Not important at all.) and it's also a bit too early to be attacking Hillary yet.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Tea Party Victory Dance **** Bring Your Own Rope

[12clicks]

If you're against smaller government, lower taxes, and less governmental spending you're part of the problem.
Spend more time acting like a man and less time acting like a leech.

[12clicks]

Oh, and our country was founded on Judeo-Christian values, regardless of a few vague comments by a couple founding fathers.

[tony286]

its funny all the smaller gov talk. Here in GA the right with strong tea party runs Cobb county and they are taking hundreds of millions in debt for a baseball stadium.

Treaty of Tripoli, a legal US document not off handed talk .
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,?as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],?and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797, and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797.

And John was a founding father.

[tony286]

Cantor got fucked because he was part of the plan that started the day Obama was president 2008. Go against everything he says, he says black we say white even if we said black first. Well that bit him in the ass because the two times he worked with the other side it bit him in the ass.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by tony286

Cantor got fucked because he was part of the plan that started the day Obama was president 2008. Go against everything he says, he says black we say white even if we said black first. Well that bit him in the ass because the two times he worked with the other side it bit him in the ass.

Seems it was a mix of being pro immigration reform (at least as much as a republican is allowed to be) and just being part of the establishment in washington.

Now the question is will he run a write-in campaign? Write-in campaign might split the republican votes and let the democrat win... I can't imagine a district that would vote out Cantor would decide the tea party is too extreme and vote democrat all the sudden on its own.

[bronco67]

Reports of the demise of the Teabilly movement have been premature.

[12clicks]

oh ok, I'll play with you children for a few minutes.

George Washington
1st U.S. President

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.

John Adams
2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
--Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.


"The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty, in which all those young Men United, and which had United all Parties in America, in Majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her Independence.

"Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System."
--Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, excerpt from a letter to Thomas Jefferson.



Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."
--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.


John Hancock
1st Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
--History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.

[2MuchMark]

I never liked Cantor and I'm glad he's out... though a republican being replaced by a Tea Party guy is scary.

[edgeprod]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I have no idea who the guy is...but I'd like to see a LOT more people with "little political experience" in office (for one term).

Politicians weren't supposed to be lifetime parasites with no real jobs and living in Washington.

The founding fathers kind of envisioned that we would ALL have the opportunity to serve in local, state, and federal govt.

Guys with a lot of "political experience" have put us 17 trillion dollars in debt and hated around the world for our foreign policy.

Their "experience" seems to be in how to gain power and hold it. Fuck them.

Completely agree, and it's why I'm loving it so much!

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by **********

I never liked Cantor and I'm glad he's out... though a republican being replaced by a Tea Party guy is scary.

What? You don't like a Republican, say it ain't so...

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by **********

I never liked Cantor and I'm glad he's out... though a republican being replaced by a Tea Party guy is scary.

only to societal leeches

[arock10]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

only to societal leeches

you know, like most red states

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by **********

I never liked Cantor and I'm glad he's out... though a republican being replaced by a Tea Party guy is scary.

Exactly. I'll take the devil I know.

At least establishment republicans have the possibility of being reasonable and compromising. Teabillies don't have that quality.

[Tom_PM]

I think it's great that there will be a new person installed. In fact, I think all incumbents should be voted out in every single election, local and national without exception. These stuffed suits that won't get out of bed without being lobbied to and paid for it are pure evil. Screw which letter is pinned to their chest.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

I think it's great that there will be a new person installed. In fact, I think all incumbents should be voted out in every single election, local and national without exception. These stuffed suits that won't get out of bed without being lobbied to and paid for it are pure evil. Screw which letter is pinned to their chest.

I mostly agree with that...but some of the people in congress now are kind of scary when you find out a little more info about them. One of them was a career Santa Claus, and that's not even the weird part.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by arock10

you know, like most red states

You're a prime example of someone who doesn't even understand the picture he posts.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

You're a prime example of someone who doesn't even understand the picture he posts.

Ok buddy please explain it. Oh right you just hurl insults and never bother with any substance

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

I think it's great that there will be a new person installed. In fact, I think all incumbents should be voted out in every single election, local and national without exception. These stuffed suits that won't get out of bed without being lobbied to and paid for it are pure evil. Screw which letter is pinned to their chest.

Or just get the money out of politics

[BFT3K]

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by arock10

Ok buddy please explain it. Oh right you just hurl insults and never bother with any substance

sure, just as soon as you explain what you meant by posting a map with red and blue on it with a correlation to give and take to the government.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Lets give him a break for now first time i heard him was on Hannity tonight. Hannity was trying to bait him to trash the dems but he didn't bite. He basically said there are problem with both party's and he is right.

But i will say the republicans are now are like wtf just happened $200k budget for Brat and $5 million budget for Cantor


P.S i really wish someone would punch Hannity in his grill!

I'm all for giving a non crazy type a break. At this point the Tea Party is slowly taking over the Republican Party, so they have to be recognized and understood. Most of the high profile Tea Party politicians have been crazy so I was curious about if this guy was crazy or not. As I mentioned from first glimpse he doesn't seem to be too crazy but only time will tell.

Honestly I very much hope the guy is very intelligent and sensible because the Republican Party very much needs that right now. However my personal guess is he's just another Right Wing Reagan worshiper whom doesn't look to facts but rather what seems right.

Anyone with any sense would understand that it was Reagan whom absolutely destroyed the concept of fiscal responsibility with-in the Republican Party. Meaning showing a picture of Reagan as the header and claiming he is all about fiscal responsibility, well that just makes my eyes roll. That's nothing more that the same ol right wing propaganda we have all heard for years and years.

Then of course there is the whole thing about the founding fathers being Christians,, this is just more bullshit that holds no truth.. The founding fathers often spoke out very negatively about religion as I posted, however they supported everyone's rights to believe in what they wanted to believe in, this country was founded by people whom wanted to escape the religious rule of England and Europe.

Calling them faithful Christians couldn't be further from the truth, it's just more of that dumbing down of America.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by crockett

I'm all for giving a non crazy type a break. At this point the Tea Party is slowly taking over the Republican Party, so they have to be recognized and understood. Most of the high profile Tea Party politicians have been crazy so I was curious about if this guy was crazy or not. As I mentioned from first glimpse he doesn't seem to be too crazy but only time will tell.

Honestly I very much hope the guy is very intelligent and sensible because the Republican Party very much needs that right now. However my personal guess is he's just another Right Wing Reagan worshiper whom doesn't look to facts but rather what seems right.

Anyone with any sense would understand that it was Reagan whom absolutely destroyed the concept of fiscal responsibility with-in the Republican Party. Meaning showing a picture of Reagan as the header and claiming he is all about fiscal responsibility, well that just makes my eyes roll. That's nothing more that the same ol right wing propaganda we have all heard for years and years.

Then of course there is the whole thing about the founding fathers being Christians,, this is just more bullshit that holds no truth.. The founding fathers often spoke out very negatively about religion as I posted, however they supported everyone's rights to believe in what they wanted to believe in, this country was founded by people whom wanted to escape the religious rule of England and Europe.

Calling them faithful Christians couldn't be further from the truth, it's just more of that dumbing down of America.

life is going to suck at your level of intelligence. don't think things will get any better for you.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by crockett

"That faith in God, as recognized by our Founding Fathers is essential to the moral fiber of the Nation."

Umm hello can someone tell these Religious Right rim jobs that most of the founding fathers of this country were atheist..

"I didn't become a Christian until many years later, when I moved to the South Side of Chicago after college. It happened not because of indoctrination or a sudden revelation, but because I spent month after month working with church folks who simply wanted to help neighbors who were down on their luck no matter what they looked like, or where they came from, or who they prayed to. It was on those streets, in those neighborhoods, that I first heard God's spirit beckon me. It was there that I felt called to a higher purpose -- His purpose." - Barack Obama

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1292116.html

[arock10]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

sure, just as soon as you explain what you meant by posting a map with red and blue on it with a correlation to give and take to the government.

Ah my bad, I figured you were smart enough to figure it out on your own. I guess not.

Red = take more money from the fed government then they give
Blue = send more money to the fed government then they receive

though I will say coloring them red and blue is a little confusing

[Vendzilla]

Funny how people here are praising something the Tea Party did! Classic!

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by arock10

you know, like most red states

Already been debunked. The vast amount of "federal spending" in red states is MILITARY (largest one being New Mexico...you know where nuclear weapons are)

Here are the states with the most people on WELFARE.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Already been debunked. The vast amount of "federal spending" in red states is MILITARY (largest one being New Mexico...you know where nuclear weapons are)

Here are the states with the most people on WELFARE.

Yeah, California pays more and we have sanctuary cities that won't deport illegal aliens

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by arock10

Ah my bad, I figured you were smart enough to figure it out on your own. I guess not.

Red = take more money from the fed government then they give
Blue = send more money to the fed government then they receive

though I will say coloring them red and blue is a little confusing

and your point of posting it here?

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Already been debunked. The vast amount of "federal spending" in red states is MILITARY (largest one being New Mexico...you know where nuclear weapons are)

Here are the states with the most people on WELFARE.

dude, you just stole all the rope I was tossing this clown.

[TCLGirls]

Guys you do understand that VA has an OPEN PRIMARY right?

Which means any registered voter can vote in the Republican primary, even Democrats.

I hope you know where I m going with this.

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Funny how people here are praising something the Tea Party did! Classic!

Oh really?
You might want to Google Ben Jones

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Guys you do understand that VA has an OPEN PRIMARY right?

Which means any registered voter can vote in the Republican primary, even Democrats.

I hope you know where I m going with this.

I do and its funny if you think about it

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by arock10

Or just get the money out of politics

Yeah.. but... and it's a big round juicy but, don't we really know that asking politicians to get the money out of politics is a recipe for suck cess?

On the other hand, we can take care of something with our votes. Voting should be mandatory and you should be able to do it at a school, ATM, computer, smart phone, television remote. OR, just make it fucking mandatory and watch the country shut down on some random screwed up TUESDAY afternoon because THAT is the perfect time..

What they want is for nothing new to happen. What we can do is make new shit happen.