Ben Affleck will not be able to play Blackjack in Hard Rock Casino

[CPA-Rush]

Ben Affleck has been banned from playing balckjack at a Las Vegas casino after allegedly being caught counting cards.

The 41-year-old actor was gambling at a high rollers table of the Hard Rock Casino, close to the Las Vegas strip, when he was allegedly confronted Tuesday night for being 'too good'.

Staff are said to have accused him of the tactic, which is not illegal but is a ground for being banned.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz30yqYzI8T

[PornDude]

[beerptrol]

Now he will have to earn his money the old fashion way! Making shitty movies!

[pornlaw]

He's probably one of the few players at the Hard Rock that actually knows how to play black-jack. I now avoid the tables during Internext & AVN after I witnessed someone split two tens and several guys hit a 17... SMH...

I'm sure the pit bosses weren't use to someone who could play correctly no less actually count cards.

[CPA-Rush]

hell yes

[sandman!]

i remember my drunk ass in the early 2000's splitting 10's lol

Originally Posted by pornlaw

He's probably one of the few players at the Hard Rock that actually knows how to play black-jack. I now avoid the tables during Internext & AVN after I witnessed someone split two tens and several guys hit a 17... SMH...

I'm sure the pit bosses weren't use to someone who could play correctly no less actually count cards.

[adultchatpay]

This news was like 1 week old?

[mopek1]

I'm not sure I believe it.

MIT tried counting cards with a team and couldn't be profitable.

Now casinos use 6 and 8 decks and then reshuffle about half to 2/3rds of the way through.

Also, wasn't he into hold em for awhile?

[John-ACWM]

So he can count

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by mopek1

I'm not sure I believe it.

MIT tried counting cards with a team and couldn't be profitable.

Now casinos use 6 and 8 decks and then reshuffle about half to 2/3rds of the way through.

Also, wasn't he into hold em for awhile?

Same thoughts. It is not possible to count cards with so many decks and shuffles.

[seeandsee]

Hard to count anything today, they just dont like winners

[L-Pink]

I usually can't find my room, counting cards, lol.

[Alexlecomte]

No way ! Does it mean that he won't come to the InterNext Expo in January ? That's sad.

[2MuchMark]

Lol, not illegal, just a good player. That's what I hate about blackjack rules. But still - I heard he won a Million dollars playing somewhere. Good for him.

[romeo22]

That sucks ball.if he keep winning he should try another casino!

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

He's probably one of the few players at the Hard Rock that actually knows how to play black-jack. I now avoid the tables during Internext & AVN after I witnessed someone split two tens and several guys hit a 17... SMH...

I'm sure the pit bosses weren't use to someone who could play correctly no less actually count cards.

thanks for avoiding the tables these days, peeps like you at the table are not fun.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

Hard to count anything today, they just dont like winners

Yeah, the fuckers start losing and bar someone, they have all the advantages already, let the guy play

[SuckOnThis]

Usually casinos don't care if you're counting, its when you're counting and winning that they have a problem with. And yes, its just as easy to count down a 6 deck shoe as it is a single deck game.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by mopek1

I'm not sure I believe it.

MIT tried counting cards with a team and couldn't be profitable.

Now casinos use 6 and 8 decks and then reshuffle about half to 2/3rds of the way through.

Also, wasn't he into hold em for awhile?

That is a bizarre comment.

The MIT teams were immensely successful. Further, its not overyly relevant how many decks are used or if its shuffled 1/2 way through as it doesn't change the remaining cards and therefore does not change the probability of future outcomes which is based on the cards remaining (total high/low cards) and the rules of blackjack which dictate how the dealer must play.

I think people commonly assume "counting cards" means tracking every single card in a deck and that you must be a math genius or something. Thats not what counting cards is. It's simply keeping a running tally of high/low cards played and therefore, those remaining in the deck which simply shifts the odds towards different outcomes for the dealer given they have to follow rules in hitting/staying.

It should also be pointed out as said above that casinos don't care about card counting.... that guys original book on card counting - if i recall, was an MIT professor and published it in the early 60s, drove countless millions of jerkoffs to vegas to try to get rich who lost all their money to casinos. The system for counting cards has made vegas billions of dollars because people are inherently stupid anyway. The more stupid someone is, the more likely they are to beleive they have a great plan.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

It should also be pointed out as said above that casinos don't care about card counting....

So if you are a smart guy and count 6 decks - would you always win in the long run?
As proven by MIT?

[SiMpLe]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

He's probably one of the few players at the Hard Rock that actually knows how to play black-jack. I now avoid the tables during Internext & AVN after I witnessed someone split two tens and several guys hit a 17... SMH...

I'm sure the pit bosses weren't use to someone who could play correctly no less actually count cards.

Quoted for truth lol - I never hit the tables at the AVN show. The derp is everywhere.

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

That is a bizarre comment.

The MIT teams were immensely successful. Further, its not overyly relevant how many decks are used or if its shuffled 1/2 way through as it doesn't change the remaining cards and therefore does not change the probability of future outcomes which is based on the cards remaining (total high/low cards) and the rules of blackjack which dictate how the dealer must play.

I think people commonly assume "counting cards" means tracking every single card in a deck and that you must be a math genius or something. Thats not what counting cards is. It's simply keeping a running tally of high/low cards played and therefore, those remaining in the deck which simply shifts the odds towards different outcomes for the dealer given they have to follow rules in hitting/staying.

It should also be pointed out as said above that casinos don't care about card counting.... that guys original book on card counting - if i recall, was an MIT professor and published it in the early 60s, drove countless millions of jerkoffs to vegas to try to get rich who lost all their money to casinos. The system for counting cards has made vegas billions of dollars because people are inherently stupid anyway. The more stupid someone is, the more likely they are to beleive they have a great plan.

You're right. I was wrong about MIT. I was thinking about another group that also had a story done on them that I had seen in a documentary but can't remember their name.

You are wrong about one thing. Reshuffling the cards is a counter measure and makes it difficult for a card counter to make his move when the count is on his side. The amount of cards left in a deck are relevant since the deeper into the deck you go the more likely you are to experience the advantageous count within the next few bets. You can have the advantage within 1/5 of the deck being dealt but the high cards could still all be at the back of the deck. Less of a possibility with less deck remaining.

[TheSquealer]

Changing the order of the remaining cards (shuffling them) does not change the total possible outcomes remaing in the deck. All
Card counting is - is tracking the remaining number of high/low cards, their order is irrelevant and shuffling them does nothing to change what remains, nor the rules by which the dealer must play and bet (I,e, having to hit on 16, having to stay on 17 etc)... nor will it change the betting strategy of the player. Saying something like "make his move" suggests you do not understand what counting is or how it is done. There is no "move". Betting / playing strategy is based on the number of high/low cards played up to any given point. And you play/bet accordingly with each hand. It's about winning more hands than you lose over an extended period of time... not "making a move"

More cards simply turns it into a longer process but the point to be understood is that the rules of blackjack favor the player, counting gives an additional advantage to the player.... regardless of how many decks are used... There is already over 30,000,000 possible outcomes with a single deck. 5 decks just flattens the curve a little but the advantage is always squarely on the players side.

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Changing the order of the remaining cards (shuffling them) does not change the total possible outcomes remaing in the deck. All
Card counting is - is tracking the remaining number of high/low cards, their order is irrelevant and shuffling them does nothing to change what remains, nor the rules by which the dealer must play and bet (I,e, having to hit on 16, having to stay on 17 etc)... nor will it change the betting strategy of the player. Saying something like "make his move" suggests you do not understand what counting is or how it is done. There is no "move". Betting / playing strategy is based on the number of high/low cards played up to any given point. And you play/bet accordingly with each hand. It's about winning more hands than you lose over an extended period of time... not "making a move"

More cards simply turns it into a longer process but the point to be understood is that the rules of blackjack favor the player, counting gives an additional advantage to the player.... regardless of how many decks are used... There is already over 30,000,000 possible outcomes with a single deck. 5 decks just flattens the curve a little but the advantage is always squarely on the players side.

I'll agree to disagree.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

the rules of blackjack favor the player

So even without counting you would be winning in the long run if you stick to the optimum rules of when to stay and when yo hit?

This is interesting as all the other casino games doe not favor the player, in fact the core thing is that casino has better odds.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

That is a bizarre comment.

The MIT teams were immensely successful. Further, its not overyly relevant how many decks are used or if its shuffled 1/2 way through as it doesn't change the remaining cards and therefore does not change the probability of future outcomes which is based on the cards remaining (total high/low cards) and the rules of blackjack which dictate how the dealer must play.

I think people commonly assume "counting cards" means tracking every single card in a deck and that you must be a math genius or something. Thats not what counting cards is. It's simply keeping a running tally of high/low cards played and therefore, those remaining in the deck which simply shifts the odds towards different outcomes for the dealer given they have to follow rules in hitting/staying.

It should also be pointed out as said above that casinos don't care about card counting.... that guys original book on card counting - if i recall, was an MIT professor and published it in the early 60s, drove countless millions of jerkoffs to vegas to try to get rich who lost all their money to casinos. The system for counting cards has made vegas billions of dollars because people are inherently stupid anyway. The more stupid someone is, the more likely they are to beleive they have a great plan.

Correct on all counts (no pun). People get this idea that counting is a guaranteed win and a way to get rich fast and that couldn't be further from the truth. A good counting strategy will get you at best a 3-5% advantage and more likely in the 1-3% range and it is BORING AS FUCK to sit there for hours and focus on keeping a running count. There is something to be said about walking away from the table with a big haul but normally its more of a grind. Then again I have never played with a 100k bankroll so I imagine that would get your adrenaline up but either way its work and not guaranteed.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

So even without counting you would be winning in the long run if you stick to the optimum rules of when to stay and when yo hit?

This is interesting as all the other casino games doe not favor the player, in fact the core thing is that casino has better odds.

The advantage is small... like 1% over the house, as I recall. This is due to the different rules for the dealer than player. A dealer has to hit on 16. Has to stay on 17 etc. A player can be more flexible and has no such restraints. It is a game that relies on the irrationality of people.... and betting on the irrationality of people always pays off in the end

[Relentless]

He can play anywhere he wants.

His PR person does deserve a raise or a bonus for finding an inventive way to make him look smart to the public.

[TheSquealer]

The real problem in all this is that Ben Affleck was distracted from making Ben Affleck movies. This is basically a Hard Rock Casino crime against humanity...

[SuckOnThis]

Actually playing perfect basic strategy with decent table rules the house advantage is .5 percent. But more and more I've noticed in Vegas they are fucking up the game by changing blackjack payouts from 3 to 2 to 6 to 5, not allowing doubling after splitting, no insurance, etc. which further reduces the odds.

[BumpUglyz]

I heard he gave the money away to worthy charities

[JSWENSON]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

That is a bizarre comment.

Further, its not overyly relevant how many decks are used or if its shuffled 1/2 way through as it doesn't change the remaining cards and therefore does not change the probability of future outcomes which is based on the cards remaining (total high/low cards) and the rules of blackjack which dictate how the dealer must play.

It is relevant how many decks are used as it changes the odds.

Moreover, the cut card has a huge effect on the house edge as it forces you to play more hands when the deck is against you.

You can still count and win with any standard combinations and correct payouts but those two points you made were way off.

[DWB]

Did DVtimes take the day off?

[CarlosTheGaucho]

I personally enjoy single deck the most, as long as you get a good grip of what you're playing with.
The fuller the table the better. And yes Black Jack plays in the favor of the player, as long as he plays disciplined and don't take on risk which is exactly that the very most do, free drinks help as well.

[bean-aid]

Always split Jacks! Because Jacks are considered lucky... and it is black JACK

[CPA-Rush]

keep going

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by JSWENSON

It is relevant how many decks are used as it changes the odds.

Moreover, the cut card has a huge effect on the house edge as it forces you to play more hands when the deck is against you.

You can still count and win with any standard combinations and correct payouts but those two points you made were way off.

I was speaking in generalities to address the points that card counting doesn't work... or that 6 decks makes it harder. It does work. Its not harder. It's still the same practice of tracking how many high/low cards are in the deck and betting accordingly. It's still done all the time. People have been doing it successfully since the early 60s when casinos stopped with single decks (when that guy published his book after being banned in just a few days from almost every Nevada casino... and they have made many millions and millions over the decades counting cards. The most famous of which, are the MIT teams.

[martinsc]

Originally Posted by PikaPoka

[Aidoru]

ITT: This thread, haterz