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Old 05-03-2014, 02:00 PM   #1
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Customizing Elevated-X?

Alright... I'm on the verge of getting an E-X license, but kinda want to get an understanding what to expect & budget for going forward. Will be hiring a designer familiar with the CMS to get things initially setup and get the basic look & functionality I want, but not fully clear on how things will stand going forward from that...

From what people have posted here it can be a bitch to customize, I'm wondering how much of a bitch. Can you do basic changes with an overall working knowledge of PHP/CSS or does it really require an expertise specifically in E-X and/or Smarty?

For example say my designer has already built the pages as requested, but somewhere down the road I want to make some changes to a few page layouts and maybe some of the members area page hierarchies. Nothing major for a self-built site or even common CMS like WP or Drupal. But from what I'm hearing Elevated-X can be really tough to work with in that regard, again maybe the people saying that don't have much experience tweaking any CMSs or modifying PHP code.

Since I'm just a small fry one-man operation, by no means do I have a fulltime designer and it would be great to be able to change things on my own rather than bring in a 3rd party every single time. Curious what y'alls experiences are, either from a paysite owner or designer/developer's perspective...
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Old 05-03-2014, 07:11 PM   #2
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I've dabbled in changing around after a few fuckstains screwed me over, and most folks who can integrate elev x charge and arm and a leg . I have experience working with many CMS incl wordpress but elevx was something else fo rme, even knowing php. I've made basic changes, but you really do need a good working knowledge of ALL those things. Esp Smarty! If you don't know smarty back the front I wouldn't bother. It's super fucking irritating IMO
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Old 05-03-2014, 10:26 PM   #4
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We went with elevatedx a couple of years ago and we got Zuzana to implement it. I don't even go near the pages to make any changes because just doing one thing wrong can mess up the whole site. So yes I would say you need a great knowledge of all things smarty and if you don't have it like me get it done by someone like Zuzana. Factor in a few changes down the road that you might want to make.
Also depending on the size of your content it will take you a long, long time doing all of the entering of your sets into the program. So keep that in mind. for time management.
On the plus side it's a great program. It allows me to devote all of my time to marketing and shooting. I don't have to think about dealing with anything else site wise.
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Old 05-03-2014, 10:54 PM   #5
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Yes its not as complicated as most people say, if youre a decent webmaster, you will (should) have enough experience with html/css to be able to modify smarty tpl files yourself. Full integration yourself, probably not, you could maybe get the bulk of it done yourself but the kinks would have to be worked out by a full time designer. I believe any full time designer should be able to integrate it once they play around with it a bit and realize how it works.

Its a tad time consuming because there are so many tpl files and you have to go and look where its calling the file from, then go edit that one, then go down another line on the index and find out where its calling the next line of code from, go and edit that one, and so many pages call for the same tpl file so you have to know smarty commands well enough to be able to tell it to use this code if its this page calling for the tpl and the other piece of code if its another page calling for it. You can find most of these smarty commands on the CMS support page. Those little extra pieces are what typically confuse beginners or make the learning curve a bit more than the average CMS

But any experienced designer should be able to do it no problem, especially if they install their own copy and play with it a bit. and i recommend any designer who doesn't know how, to learn it. there is definitely work out there for you since the few gfy designers here overcharge by a ton. simply due to people not knowing where else to go

I integrated my design in a couple days and i am not a designer. i do not know code from scratch, all it took was simply cutting code and placing it in the right spots and looking at other integrations to see what they did and the special commands they used to achieve a few things i was seeking. if you have another site that is integrated to look at, makes it even that much more simpler
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Old 05-03-2014, 11:14 PM   #7
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So to sum of what i was saying, you will have no problem editing it yourself after you have somebody integrate it for you. And if you truly do have pretty good html/css knowledge , you will most likely learn how to integrate it yourself after editing it and seeing how it all works. Which would save you a good amount of money if you launch a decent amount of sites
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Old 05-04-2014, 12:17 AM   #8
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It's not that bad..
It's smarty so pretty diffucult to break anything.

I quite like skinning elevatedx.
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I nearly got Zuzana to customize it for me (at ElliNude.com) but ended up doing it myself. It's not advanced at all, but it's good enough for what I wanted. Digging into the Smarty was tough, but once you get the gist of it, it's not that bad. I highly recommend Zuzana if you're not confident playing with code that calls variables from multiple files.
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Thanks to those that recommended Zuzana Designs.

@ Pseudonymous, we would fall into your category of the ?few gfy designers? that integrate the script, though I think it?s highly unfair to imply that we, or anyone else that knows the script, prey upon people who don?t know how to work with it just so we can overcharge them. There are a lot of factors that go into our cost. Almost all our quotes contain responsive html5 and integrations usually span across 10 or more pages of custom design between the tour and members area. The majority of people new to the script don?t fully understand how to use it so there is a lot of support needed on our end. It?s rarely a simple integration and then that?s the end of the project. Over the past couple years we have provided countless fixes and troubleshooting for client errors, spanning from improper uploading or encoding of content, to folders that they?ve renamed or moved, or even members areas that have been reset all the way back to default after a script update that we got back online for them. Some requests are 1 week after the project is over and some are years after.

We are going to be coming out with some premade designs soon that can be purchased fully integrated for as little as $499 to help those looking for a lower price point. For custom designs with higher quotes, these are usually for clients who have spent a lot of money and time getting their content ready and want a high end, fully responsive, multi-page design by a company they know is going to be for them there every step of the way. Please understand that just because something isn?t ?cheap?, it doesn?t mean that it?s overpriced.
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I've been using it for my members area and I've always been very happy with it. It has a very nice interface and many options for customization. But as others have stated, I wouldn't try messing around with it too much, unless you have a clear understanding on how it works because one wrong move could very easily screw things up badly. But yeah, I would recommend it and am planning on using it for a very long time.
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:48 PM   #12
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It's not too difficult, once you learn what each .tpl file does. Even with moderate html knowledge, you should be able to figure it out.

I integrated the designs of our sites myself, and I'm no programmer for sure...

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It's not too difficult, once you learn what each .tpl file does. Even with moderate html knowledge, you should be able to figure it out.

I integrated the designs of our sites myself, and I'm no programmer for sure...
That's exactly what I'm doing right now.

If you are willing to take the time to figure it out...you'll master the thing in no time.
Instead of .php your using .tpl to call up different parts of the page and of course making changes in the style sheet.

Waaayyyyy better than paying someone a couple of thousand bucks. Plus, when you get done you will know how your stuff works.

The main thing I've faced was having to re-render every video we've ever done.

In order to get the best out of Elevated X you need to give it a HUGE .mp4 file for each vid.
I had always rendered mine out no higher than 1.7k bit rate for fast streaming while still looking good.

But for Elevated X I had to go back and re-render EVERYTHING. Their system is looking for at least 3K for SD vids (my older ones) and 5 K for 780p (which is what I'm going to stream the hd ones at). The reason being is that they take your big ass vid file and make several smaller sized files from it for different formats.

So I've spent the last few weeks working 15+ hours a day rendering video and creating the folder structure that Elevated X requires.

It's been a real bitch. And in the time that each vid was rendering....I learned how to work with the smarty templates and designed the site.

I'm gonna flip the switch hopefully this week to Elevated X as soon as I get all the billing in order so my members, new sales, and rebills are seamless (I also am moving hosting).

Now that I've gotten the content in and the site designed, I'm very happy with the way it all came out.
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@ Pseudonymous, we would fall into your category of the ‘few gfy designers’ that integrate the script, though I think it’s highly unfair to imply that we, or anyone else that knows the script, prey upon people who don’t know how to work with it just so we can overcharge them. There are a lot of factors that go into our cost. Almost all our quotes contain responsive html5 and integrations usually span across 10 or more pages of custom design between the tour and members area. The majority of people new to the script don’t fully understand how to use it so there is a lot of support needed on our end. It’s rarely a simple integration and then that’s the end of the project. Over the past couple years we have provided countless fixes and troubleshooting for client errors, spanning from improper uploading or encoding of content, to folders that they’ve renamed or moved, or even members areas that have been reset all the way back to default after a script update that we got back online for them. Some requests are 1 week after the project is over and some are years after.

We are going to be coming out with some premade designs soon that can be purchased fully integrated for as little as $499 to help those looking for a lower price point. For custom designs with higher quotes, these are usually for clients who have spent a lot of money and time getting their content ready and want a high end, fully responsive, multi-page design by a company they know is going to be for them there every step of the way. Please understand that just because something isn’t ‘cheap’, it doesn’t mean that it’s overpriced.
It is overpriced though, maybe you have lowered your costs in the past while but the quotes i've received in the past for integrations was well over what it should and if your costs or labour are that high, then those should be reduced.

Heres a good example, i recently talked to a producer, he is able to shoot 3-4 sets a day of high quality work, which makes him need to shoot more days in order to get the 60-100 sets i need, which means rent the house WAYY longer. This forces him to make what he charges alot higher. So its not overpriced to him, because hes just covering his costs and making very little. But for me, its way overpriced because i am capable of shooting 10-12 sets a day.

So I have no idea who you pay or what you deem necessary profit off each client but to me, its overpriced due to the fact that most can offer it at a much cheaper rate because it actually doesnt take too long if you are experienced. Like i said, i've done it myself.

This is no knock on your businesses, some people will charge higher, your costs are high, so thats how it works, you try to make up for it by offering great customer service and being super reliable, thats fine. But to say its not overpriced is simply not true. Then again, maybe you dont know what ive paid for all my integrations or what other people are charging. Do you?

When I contacted ElevatedX a while back, the average integration cost was 750-1000 depending on the job. 750 was a super basic job.

Every designer i've spoken to has been able to do it in a couple days and has charged me 250.

Then again, being a middle man and not having as many clients as you might have once did, and being based in the US, makes your costs higher, so yeah, like i said, not overcharging in your eyes.
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Actually to be honest, i think some people were even charging north of 1000 for an integration. I wish i didn't just format my harddrive or i'd have the chat history. I remember integrations costing as much as a design from one of the best designers in the industry.

Paying a designer for creativity and a highly converting design is one thing, paying somebody for the grunt work of slicing code and pasting it in the tpl files, well, not worth it. Anyone who knows css/html can integrate a design. They dont even need to be able to make nice tours or designs, as long as they know code, they can do it. So the competition should be very high but because few have took the bit of time to look into it (probably because so many people repeat its so hard), the costs remain higher than they should.

I have paid 250-300 dollars for every integration of mine. Couple days work, for somebody outside of the US, which is most people since we work online (worldwide web), thats very good pay.

If that freelancer has his calendar full, thats a huge income for an overseas designer. Then you could say, well yeah if he had his calendar full, then that comes down to, should somebody charge more because they aren't good enough business people to fill up their calendar?
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Thanks for the feedback everyone, this is great stuff! Sounds like opinions range from "super fucking irritating" to not bad at all - so I'm going to assume it's totally doable yet with occasional super fucking irritating moments.

Pseudonymous - I'm kinda amazed you can get integrations done for 250-300$. If I can find someone reliable that will do it for that much on a reasonable timeframe and with *clean efficient code* I will be stoked. If you have anyone to recommend feel free to mention them here or send me a PM. Especially if they can do quality design work too (obviously that would raise the price tag).

Think I'll take a look once installation goes through, learn how things work a bit, and make a choice about how much to take on myself from there.

Robbie - that is excellent info about the video encoding. I'm actually re-doing a lot of my old content right now, it's stuff from years back that doesn't have HD source (more like 800x600) so the bitrates aren't massive but they're still decent quality for the resolution. What you're saying is to waaay overestimate the bitrate so E-X can do its own secondary encodes without a big quality dropoff - I never even thought to factor that in. I wonder if this is necessary though, if I'm manually encoding my preferred formats and don't expect to make E-X do any further processing (except potentially for trailers or previews)?

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(I also am moving hosting).

what hosting company are you moving to and why?
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Then again, being a middle man and not having as many clients as you might have once did, and being based in the US, makes your costs higher, so yeah, like i said, not overcharging in your eyes.
I dont think her coders are US based though. So yep nice profit.
But it's a service and people need it.

Elevatedx you are paying for US coders though.
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I dont think her coders are US based though. So yep nice profit.
But it's a service and people need it.

Elevatedx you are paying for US coders though.
Im pretty sure ElevatedX simply recommends a list of people to goto, dont think theyre paying anybody.
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If you have some php / css knowledge you should have no problem. Setup a dummy site with the base smarty files if you are unsure with backups, then you can fiddle around until your hearts content and reset it with the backups if need be. Alternatively you can always create multiple smarty folders for 1 site and just tell the config file which one to use. Either of these methods makes it almost impossible to mess things up.

It takes a bit of time to work out which template file does what, but thats just trial and error. The base CSS is nice and straight forward.
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If you want it done and done right have Czarina do it. Most outsource to her anyway when it comes to elevatedx.

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Does it come with a default design at all?
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It comes with the default template set shown on the demo at https://www.elevatedx.com/demo.php

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You can do customize things in EX, but is more than knows PHP, is know how the cms works and how the db works.


We have done a lot of customize code and modules for EX, if you want any advice you can send me a private message =).

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