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  • crockett
    in a van by the river
    • May 2003
    • 76818
    #1

    Two import things happened in the US yesterday

    yes the title was misspelled, I meant important.

    #1 Yesterday the FCC set forth proposals to once again do away with Net Neutrality. Allowing pay for preferential treatment of bandwidth.

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/21476...-proposal.html

    The FCC will release a proposal soon to reinstate net neutrality rules that would allow broadband providers to negotiate with content providers for preferential treatment, an agency official confirmed Wednesday.
    You would think that "the people" have already spoken their word about this countless times but as always corporations keep pushing and once again try to sneak it in unopposed.


    2# Fracking in the US was finally linked to public health issues via a court case, when a Texas family was awarded $3 million dollars as result of property value loss and the biggie, health related issues.

    This is the first case to prove a link between fracking and health issues.

    The Parrs – Bob, Lisa, and their daughter Emma – said their health suffered beginning just months after hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, operations started in their area, which was in 2008. Lisa said her breathing was impaired, and she was inflicted with nausea and headaches. Bob reported suddenly having around three nosebleeds per week, an anomaly compared to the rest of his life, he said. And Emma also reported nosebleeds, as well as nausea and rashes. She was diagnosed with asthma soon after the drilling began.
    Part of the proof that was brought forward, was that Lisa Parrs blood work contained chemicals from the fracking. Meaning it's likely the first case to show a confirmed link between fracking and public health issues.

    None is the "regular" media is covering this case (go figure) so you get to pick between RT or the political blogs.. Agenda or not, the court case was very real as was the court's decision.

    http://rt.com/usa/154408-fracking-trial-family-sued/
    Last edited by crockett; 04-24-2014, 10:28 AM.
    In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.
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    • deltav
      Confirmed User
      • May 2010
      • 1243
      #2
      The Net Neutrality thing will start getting more mainstream exposure when the actual rules are released for comment May 15. Hopefully it will provoke some outrage and organized well-funded opposition because it's very very very bad, both for our industry and for an egalitarian internet in general.
      *********
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        • crockett
          in a van by the river
          • May 2003
          • 76818
          #3
          Originally posted by deltav
          The Net Neutrality thing will start getting more mainstream exposure when the actual rules are released for comment May 15. Hopefully it will provoke some outrage and organized well-funded opposition because it's very very very bad, both for our industry and for an egalitarian internet in general.
          It's just fucked up that this whole ordeal comes along every 6 to 8 months as the same companies find yet another way to try and push/sneak it through. This time, obviously by getting a lobbyist into the right position with-in the FCC in order to push their agenda from the inside.
          Last edited by crockett; 04-24-2014, 10:26 AM.
          In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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            • SuckOnThis
              So Fucking Banned
              • Oct 2003
              • 6844
              #4

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                • EonBlue
                  Apocalypse
                  • May 2007
                  • 3043
                  #5
                  Originally posted by crockett
                  2# Fracking in the US was finally linked to public health issues via a court case, when a Texas family was awarded $3 million dollars as result of property value loss and the biggie, health related issues.

                  This is the first case to prove a link between fracking and health issues.
                  Then I guess fracking must be banned immediately.

                  Just don't complain when the lights start to go out, you can't heat your house and energy prices skyrocket.

                  America?s power grid at the limit: the road to electrical blackouts

                  And prepare for an increasing number of health complaints related to industrial wind farms.

                  Adverse health effects of industrial wind turbines

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                    • atom
                      Confirmed User
                      • Apr 2002
                      • 2740
                      #6
                      Originally posted by EonBlue
                      And prepare for an increasing number of health complaints related to industrial wind farms.

                      Adverse health effects of industrial wind turbines

                      Please tell me that site is a joke.
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                        • Seth Manson
                          Please dont fuck animals
                          • Jul 2010
                          • 3988
                          #7
                          Originally posted by EonBlue
                          Then I guess fracking must be banned immediately.

                          Just don't complain when the lights start to go out, you can't heat your house and energy prices skyrocket.

                          America?s power grid at the limit: the road to electrical blackouts

                          And prepare for an increasing number of health complaints related to industrial wind farms.

                          Adverse health effects of industrial wind turbines
                          Yeah, we should all opt for chemicals in our bodies instead... I mean fuck those wind turbines, aint nobody got time for that.

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                            • crockett
                              in a van by the river
                              • May 2003
                              • 76818
                              #8
                              Originally posted by EonBlue
                              Then I guess fracking must be banned immediately.

                              Just don't complain when the lights start to go out, you can't heat your house and energy prices skyrocket.

                              America’s power grid at the limit: the road to electrical blackouts

                              And prepare for an increasing number of health complaints related to industrial wind farms.

                              Adverse health effects of industrial wind turbines
                              First off even in Texas 1 third of their power is now created by wind. In the US as a whole by 2030 Solar will be the top energy producer, out producing coil, oil & gas. Renewable is the future.

                              As far as "wind farm" health effects.. please call the doctor when the wind shows up in your bloodwork or when solar or windmills start polluting your drinking water and cause earthquakes..
                              In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                • michael.kickass
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Mar 2009
                                  • 11039
                                  #9
                                  What SuckOnThis said.
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                                    • EonBlue
                                      Apocalypse
                                      • May 2007
                                      • 3043
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by atom
                                      Please tell me that site is a joke.
                                      No. Not a joke at all:

                                      Canadian Family Physician (CFP), a peer-reviewed medical journal, is the official publication of the College of Family Physicians of Canada.
                                      Originally posted by Seth Manson
                                      Yeah, we should all opt for chemicals in our bodies instead... I mean fuck those wind turbines, aint nobody got time for that.
                                      Well I guess that depending on where someone lives they may or may not notice any chemicals in their bodies when they are freezing in the dark.

                                      The fact of the matter is that there will never be enough wind power to replace coal and natural gas generation.

                                      Living a modern lifestyle in the modern world requires some tradeoffs. Pick your poison I guess.

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                                        • deltav
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • May 2010
                                          • 1243
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by EonBlue
                                          And prepare for an increasing number of health complaints related to industrial wind farms.

                                          Adverse health effects of industrial wind turbines
                                          Copied from that very site you linked, it looks like these "adverse health effects" are mostly rural folks just being annoyed there's a wind farm there:

                                          "Canadian family physicians can expect to see increasing numbers of rural patients reporting adverse effects from exposure to industrial wind turbines (IWTs). People who live or work in close proximity to IWTs have experienced symptoms that include decreased quality of life, annoyance, stress, sleep disturbance, headache, anxiety, depression, and cognitive dysfunction. Some have also felt anger, grief, or a sense of injustice."

                                          I think we can safely say they're a lllliiittle less damaging to human health than fracking and oil drilling byproducts.
                                          *********
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                                            • EonBlue
                                              Apocalypse
                                              • May 2007
                                              • 3043
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by crockett
                                              First off even in Texas 1 third of their power is now created by wind. In the US as a whole by 2030 Solar will be the top energy producer, out producing coil, oil & gas. Renewable is the future.
                                              One third? Or 8%?

                                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Texas

                                              Wind power accounted for 8.3% of the electricity generated in Texas during 2013.[3]
                                              And sure renewable is the future. But that assumes that we can afford it and that the law of unintended consequences doesn't kick in. Anyways, now is not the future. Like it or not we still need natural gas and coal unless you want people to freeze in the dark.

                                              Originally posted by crockett
                                              As far as "wind farm" health effects.. please call the doctor when the wind shows up in your bloodwork or when solar or windmills start polluting your drinking water and cause earthquakes..
                                              Why do health effects caused by "unfavored" energy sources somehow trump the health effects of "favored" energy sources?

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                                                • EonBlue
                                                  Apocalypse
                                                  • May 2007
                                                  • 3043
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by deltav
                                                  Copied from that very site you linked, it looks like these "adverse health effects" are mostly rural folks just being annoyed there's a wind farm there:

                                                  "Canadian family physicians can expect to see increasing numbers of rural patients reporting adverse effects from exposure to industrial wind turbines (IWTs). People who live or work in close proximity to IWTs have experienced symptoms that include decreased quality of life, annoyance, stress, sleep disturbance, headache, anxiety, depression, and cognitive dysfunction. Some have also felt anger, grief, or a sense of injustice."

                                                  I think we can safely say they're a lllliiittle less damaging to human health than fracking and oil drilling byproducts.
                                                  From the same article:

                                                  The documented symptoms are usually stress disorder?type diseases acting via indirect pathways and can represent serious harm to human health.
                                                  But hey, nobody cares about a bunch of rednecks suffering in the boonies right? Oh wait. They only care if they are rednecks in the boonies suffering because of fracking. Rednecks in the boonies suffering because of wind turbines can go straight to hell. As long as all the greenies get to feel good about themselves while sitting quite comfortably in their upscale urban condos and mansions.

                                                  And I hate to beat a dead horse but I can safely say that fracking and oil drilling byproducts are a little less damaging to human health than freezing in the dark.

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                                                    • deltav
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • May 2010
                                                      • 1243
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by EonBlue
                                                      Why do health effects caused by "unfavored" energy sources somehow trump the health effects of "favored" energy sources?
                                                      Again, from the available studies - including the piece you linked - it seems most of the unfavorable health effects are a result of turbines being annoying due to moderate noise levels when sited too close to houses.

                                                      To compare those to the health effects from oil/fracking/etc and their byproducts is just silly, no matter how you ultimately feel about wind power or whatever.
                                                      *********
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                                                        • deltav
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • May 2010
                                                          • 1243
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by EonBlue
                                                          But hey, nobody cares about a bunch of rednecks suffering in the boonies right? Oh wait. They only care if they are rednecks in the boonies suffering because of fracking. Rednecks in the boonies suffering because of wind turbines can go straight to hell. As long as all the greenies get to feel good about themselves while sitting quite comfortably in their upscale urban condos and mansions.
                                                          Oh, come on.

                                                          Let's try an experiment - remove the offending turbines from these complaints and replace them with a fracking site, then survey those residents after a few years and ask them which they prefer.
                                                          *********
                                                          DeltaofVenus.com - Vintage Erotica from the 1800s through 1979

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                                                            • 2MuchMark
                                                              Mark of 2Much.net
                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                              • 50991
                                                              #16
                                                              If someone came up to me and said they got sick from wind turbines, I would slap their fucking face. The only people more stupid than those who thing wind turbines can make them sick, are the morons who believe them.

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                                                                • directfiesta
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                  • 30136
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by atom
                                                                  Please tell me that site is a joke.
                                                                  Yes it is . EonBlue cannot know that, as the message fits his extreme right position, such as no global warming, no pollution by CO2 , no danger in fracking, etc...).

                                                                  The real site, on which this hoax tries to ride on, is :

                                                                  http://www.cfpc.ca/

                                                                  not :

                                                                  http://www.cfp.ca/



                                                                  **** one small letter difference *******
                                                                  I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                  But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                    • dyna mo
                                                                      just a fucking jerk
                                                                      • Dec 2008
                                                                      • 68184
                                                                      #18
                                                                      fracking has certainly outpaced regulation, which is obviously required. It will mostly get sorted out, just like any drilling has. But rest assured, fracking is here to stay.

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                                                                        • EonBlue
                                                                          Apocalypse
                                                                          • May 2007
                                                                          • 3043
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by deltav
                                                                          Oh, come on.

                                                                          Let's try an experiment - remove the offending turbines from these complaints and replace them with a fracking site, then survey those residents after a few years and ask them which they prefer.
                                                                          Ok. Fair enough. I am pretty sure most people would prefer to not have either one near them. But I think it is quite evident that the NIMBY crowd opposed to fracking get all the sympathy while the NIMBY crowd opposed to turbines get ridiculed and threatened with violence by people like **********.

                                                                          Originally posted by MarkPrince
                                                                          If someone came up to me and said they got sick from wind turbines, I would slap their fucking face. The only people more stupid than those who thing wind turbines can make them sick, are the morons who believe them.
                                                                          Spoken with all the arrogance of somebody who thinks he is smarter than everybody else.

                                                                          Supply that brilliant rebuttal to this guy:

                                                                          Wind Turbines can be Hazardous to Human Health

                                                                          Alec N. Salt, Ph.D., Cochlear Fluids Research Laboratory, Washington University in St. Louis.

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                                                                            • crockett
                                                                              in a van by the river
                                                                              • May 2003
                                                                              • 76818
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by EonBlue
                                                                              One third? Or 8%?

                                                                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Texas



                                                                              And sure renewable is the future. But that assumes that we can afford it and that the law of unintended consequences doesn't kick in. Anyways, now is not the future. Like it or not we still need natural gas and coal unless you want people to freeze in the dark.



                                                                              Why do health effects caused by "unfavored" energy sources somehow trump the health effects of "favored" energy sources?
                                                                              I was quoting from memory of an article I read a few weeks ago. The 30% was in relation to a new record that was broken, when in fact 29% of the power required for the state was created by wind farm.

                                                                              http://motherboard.vice.com/read/one...-on-wind-power

                                                                              It's not 8% btw it's 9.9% and that number is for the total amount of energy generated by Texas, not all of which is used in Texas. Meaning wind makes up 9.9% of energy generated in Texas but actually 29% used with-in the state. The reason it's the 9.9% is lower is because power is also used out side of Texas.

                                                                              Also are you seriously trying to compare people not having clean water to drink and actually have the chemicals from fracking in their blood system as anything even remotely close to a eyesore or a headache?
                                                                              Last edited by crockett; 04-24-2014, 01:17 PM.
                                                                              In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                • EonBlue
                                                                                  Apocalypse
                                                                                  • May 2007
                                                                                  • 3043
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                                                  Yes it is . EonBlue cannot know that, as the message fits his extreme right position, such as no global warming, no pollution by CO2 , no danger in fracking, etc...).

                                                                                  The real site, on which this hoax tries to ride on, is :

                                                                                  http://www.cfpc.ca/

                                                                                  not :

                                                                                  http://www.cfp.ca/



                                                                                  **** one small letter difference *******
                                                                                  Wow. I bet you feel really smug right now. Typical of your extreme leftist mentality and position. The arrogance, hypocrisy and ignorance of a leftist is always quite astounding.

                                                                                  There is of course one little problem for you in this case:

                                                                                  http://www.cfpc.ca/CanadianFamilyPhysician/

                                                                                  All of this content is also published online at www.cfp.ca, along with considerable web exclusive content, including ancillary materials in our ?CFPlus? feature and full-length research articles.
                                                                                  Nice try.

                                                                                  Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                  fracking has certainly outpaced regulation, which is obviously required. It will mostly get sorted out, just like any drilling has. But rest assured, fracking is here to stay.
                                                                                  Spoken with some common sense and a nod to reality. How refreshing.

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                                                                                    • EonBlue
                                                                                      Apocalypse
                                                                                      • May 2007
                                                                                      • 3043
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                      Also are you seriously trying to compare people not having clean water to drink and actually have the chemicals from fracking in their blood system as anything even remotely close to a eyesore or a headache?
                                                                                      No, I am just suggesting that people not be so dismissive of the claims of health effects on people living near wind farms.

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                                                                                        • crockett
                                                                                          in a van by the river
                                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                                          • 76818
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by EonBlue
                                                                                          No, I am just suggesting that people not be so dismissive of the claims of health effects on people living near wind farms.
                                                                                          I'm sure some people might be sensitive to the sound of a wind turbine, but I'd have a hard time believing that it's even 1% of the population. I'd also assume that those people are likely more affected by smaller & faster turning turbines vs what is used commercially.

                                                                                          I mean really have you seen how slow the big turbines move? It would have to be a hurricane to get them moving fast enough to actually hear them.
                                                                                          In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                            • EonBlue
                                                                                              Apocalypse
                                                                                              • May 2007
                                                                                              • 3043
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                              I'm sure some people might be sensitive to the sound of a wind turbine, but I'd have a hard time believing that it's even 1% of the population. I'd also assume that those people are likely more affected by smaller & faster turning turbines vs what is used commercially.

                                                                                              I mean really have you seen how slow the big turbines move? It would have to be a hurricane to get them moving fast enough to actually hear them.
                                                                                              Check out this article that I posted above:

                                                                                              http://oto2.wustl.edu/cochlea/wind.html

                                                                                              According to that article it's not the actual sound of the turbines it is infrasound which we can't actually hear. And the problem isn't necessarily the turbines themselves but the proximity to people's residences.

                                                                                              The point is that many people are claiming ill health living near these things and nobody yet knows exactly why. I think it is sad that the so called suffering of these people is dismissed out of hand without some serious further research being done. I can see some nasty lawsuits in the future of the wind industry if any of these claims are proven down the line.

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                                                                                                • Dirty F
                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                  • 59204
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  So what was imported?

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                                                                                                    • crockett
                                                                                                      in a van by the river
                                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                                      • 76818
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Dirty F
                                                                                                      So what was imported?
                                                                                                      Cheap Chinese dildos..
                                                                                                      In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                                        • crockett
                                                                                                          in a van by the river
                                                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                                                          • 76818
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by EonBlue
                                                                                                          Check out this article that I posted above:

                                                                                                          http://oto2.wustl.edu/cochlea/wind.html

                                                                                                          According to that article it's not the actual sound of the turbines it is infrasound which we can't actually hear. And the problem isn't necessarily the turbines themselves but the proximity to people's residences.

                                                                                                          The point is that many people are claiming ill health living near these things and nobody yet knows exactly why. I think it is sad that the so called suffering of these people is dismissed out of hand without some serious further research being done. I can see some nasty lawsuits in the future of the wind industry if any of these claims are proven down the line.
                                                                                                          Well the thing with this, is it can be fixed with regulations on how close wind turbines can be built to residences. This is nothing that can't be worked around and fixed.

                                                                                                          Fracking however, once the water underground is polluted, it's not going to be fixed. These companies don't even have to tell anyone what the fuck they are injecting into the ground. They get to call it a "trade secret". The little bit that has been found out shows it's some pretty bad stuff they are just pumping into the ground with zero regard to what happens in 5 years or even 50 when that shit starts seeping into the water tables.
                                                                                                          In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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