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brassmonkey 04-07-2014 10:23 AM
yeah russia will take over soon and obama will start to throw threats. to a super power that is friends with china!

WDF 04-07-2014 10:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20040860)
Donetsk people council has asked Russia to send in a 'peacekeeping mission' IF!!! Ukrainian police uses force.
Why ask Russia and not the UN?

Could it be that it is a co-ordinated effort by Russia and Pro-Russian Ukrainians to annex more of Ukraine and once again violate treaties?

just a punk 04-07-2014 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by xanadu (Post 20040953)
Having lived in Ukraine a bit and having friends in both sides, I would tend to agree with the above. As a foreigner there and having no beef in this conflict thats the feeling I got. This was meant to happen sooner or later, two very different cultures and I couldnt see how this would work in the long run......

There is a part of the population in the middle of the country more or less that is very mixed, but the majority of ones in the south/east part felt more russians and the ones in the west felt closer to Europe and hate Russia. Personally I just hope no more normal people get killed....
It was always a powder keg. The Maidan (pro-EU) guys just brought the fire :2 cents:

P.S. Most people in the States and the EU just have no clue what's going on there. The situation in Ukraine is not as simple is it's being shown by propagandist median like RT, CNN, Fox, BBC and other one-sided shit.

just a punk 04-07-2014 10:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WDF (Post 20041006)
Why ask Russia and not the UN?
It's very simple. They just don't trust to the UN which was absolutely useless in Kosovo (and not only) conflict. They are mostly Russians and they trust to Russians. I thought it's obvious :2 cents:

EddyTheDog 04-07-2014 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20041013)
It was always a powder keg. The Maidan (pro-EU) guys just brought the fire :2 cents:

P.S. Most people in the States and the EU just have no clue what's going on there. The situation in Ukraine is not as simple is it's being shown by propagandist median like RT, CNN, Fox, BBC and other one-sided shit.
Because I don't agree with you does not mean I don't know or understand the situation - It means I have a different opinion...

just a punk 04-07-2014 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 20041027)
Because I don't agree with you does not mean I don't know or understand the situation - It means I have a different opinion...
There are no opinions. There are two different parts of Ukraine and they never felt themselves as a single country. The revolution started on Maidan just launched a chain reaction.

deltav 04-07-2014 11:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 20041027)
Because I don't agree with you does not mean I don't know or understand the situation - It means I have a different opinion...
In Soviet Russia, opinions have YOU!

EddyTheDog 04-07-2014 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20041106)
There are no opinions...
Quote:
Originally Posted by deltav (Post 20041118)
In Soviet Russia, opinions have YOU!
lol - I think that about sums it up:upsidedow...

oppoten 04-07-2014 11:56 AM
"The People's Republic of Donetsk" just sounds funny.

It's actually twinned with Sheffield. We were a People's Republic in the Thatcher years, so maybe we inspired them :)

klinton 04-07-2014 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by deltav (Post 20041118)
In Soviet Russia, opinions have YOU!
ha ha ha ;-):winkwink:

femdomdestiny 04-07-2014 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 20041027)
Because I don't agree with you does not mean I don't know or understand the situation - It means I have a different opinion...
Or just not enough knowledge from modern history of world (and Europe,too)...

directfiesta 04-07-2014 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 20040633)
Of course it's behind it,it's a trick to expand, basically you send a lot of immigrants of your own nationally,wait till they mutiny,and then you "free" them.
hummmm .... sounds like '' settlers '' ....

just a punk 04-07-2014 12:47 PM
Putin caught revolting Ukraine:

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics...9_16x9_608.jpg

just a punk 04-07-2014 12:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by deltav (Post 20041118)
In Soviet Russia, opinions have YOU!
Sure thing, comrade :winkwink:

http://cs7001.vk.me/c606925/v6069251...Y41X5FgzP8.jpg

EddyTheDog 04-07-2014 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 20041192)
Or just not enough knowledge from modern history of world (and Europe,too)...
My statement in the opening post is about what is happening now - It isn't history yet...

If you want to argue that Putin has a right to take east Ukraine because of it's history that's fine - However it will not change what I said is happening NOW - What happened in Crimea and what I expect will happen in the east was/is a land grab based on the CURRENT contrived events.....

pornmasta 04-07-2014 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 20040622)
Again...

They are causing chaos in east Ukraine now -

...
they are paria we should nuke them in our country !
















:winkwink:

pornmasta 04-07-2014 01:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20041218)
rotfl :thumbsup

just a punk 04-07-2014 01:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 20041221)
If you want to argue that Putin has a right to take east Ukraine because
Who he is to have such a "right"? He is not a god (yet? ;)) Furthermore, I have serious doubts that he want to join the Eastern Ukraine to Russia, because it won't bring any profit for Russia and for him personally but only problems (economical, humanitarian and political ones).

You should stop thinking about Putin (you are too old for his taste ;)) The more important thing is what the Easter Ukrainians want. Do they want to stay with Kiev or not? :2 cents:

just a punk 04-07-2014 01:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by woj (Post 20040770)
"The activists in Donetsk called for Russia to send in 'peacekeepers' to protect them from Kiev"

not sure why, but that sounds familiar...
Yes, it is :2 cents:

TheSquealer 04-07-2014 02:53 PM
Putin is playing Game of Thrones and the rest of the world is playing Game of Hugs. He's doing exactly what should have always been expected of him.... exploiting the missteps of the worlds weak leaders for his own nations long term, strategic interests.

The Porn Nerd 04-07-2014 03:25 PM
Russian women are not revolting - until they turn 35.

Sid70 04-07-2014 03:25 PM
At some point I believe, we Ukrainians, fucked up at the point of being passive in our nation's typical lifestyle - living separately on one's farms. We should've started revolting much sooner, but it seems like gathering up it's not our gig, especially when there is no leader to trust.

East side Ukraine and Crimea is full of people who would seek "help" in Russia, they basically want the Soviet Union back, I'm so depressed seeing young people supporting that, I thought I was the last generation who lived in that ugly Soviet reality but there are 3 more generations raised after that who tend to think Soviet realm.

femdomdestiny 04-07-2014 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 20041221)
My statement in the opening post is about what is happening now - It isn't history yet...

If you want to argue that Putin has a right to take east Ukraine because of it's history that's fine - However it will not change what I said is happening NOW - What happened in Crimea and what I expect will happen in the east was/is a land grab based on the CURRENT contrived events.....
Nothing from that. I was more talking about knowing what happened in past and what mess was done by west and it was not a problem at all. Double standards, and luckily this time we can see how bipolar world function. In case that there were no strong Russia in this,same mess would happen like in Yugoslavia:death,devastation,astrocites,suffering or (like it happened in Libya, Iraq, and currently in Syria) ...actually,it would probably be much worse, since Ukraine is twice bigger then ex Yu. So, from my perspective and after knowing how things can go insane, I hope that there will be no war in eastern Ukraine and it will happen similar like in Crimea (without blood).

oppoten 04-07-2014 04:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20041290)
The more important thing is what the Easter Ukrainians want.
They want to be Russian by Christmas :)

directfiesta 04-07-2014 06:26 PM
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In Kiev, interim prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk told the cabinet over the weekend that the new price for gas was unfair and Ukraine would not pay it.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I predict a cold winter .

just a punk 04-07-2014 11:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 20041435)
same mess would happen like in Yugoslavia:death,devastation,astrocites,suffering
http://s3.pikabu.ru/post_img/2014/03...1745756650.jpg

:2 cents:

just a punk 04-08-2014 12:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by oppoten (Post 20041470)
They want to be Russian by Christmas :)
In this case they can move to Russia and apply for Russian citizenship. I don't see any reason to join their territories to Russia.

Alex911 04-08-2014 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew (Post 20040890)
lol, seriously do they actually print that? :1orglaugh

Dmcontent 04-08-2014 06:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20041724)
In this case they can move to Russia and apply for Russian citizenship. I don't see any reason to join their territories to Russia.
After reading many posts about Ukraine/Russia this is the best so fare

Cherry7 04-08-2014 07:33 AM
The West started a dangerous game in supporting the overthrow of the Ukrainian government.

What is needed now is for all foreign powers to withdraw from the country and for new elections to be held.


Sadly I see no chance of that happening.

ZiggiZiggiCrew 04-08-2014 07:42 AM
thread sucks without boobs:winkwink:

http://s4.pikabu.ru/post_img/2014/03...1007612058.jpg

evy97 04-08-2014 07:43 AM
What will happen in Ukraine -> http://www.thenation.com/article/179...another-greece

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The IMF conditions for Ukraine won?t include any debt relief, and unlike the European Union-IMF bailout for Cyprus, they won?t impose any haircuts on the country?s creditors. Instead, the IMF recipe hinges on cuts to subsidies and social services and a floating exchange rate that will sink purchasing power even further. Kiev has already started to implement all of these measures. According to economists, the result will be growing poverty, reduced social benefits and an extended recession
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Ordinary people will be the undisputed losers in Ukraine, since they?ll pay for the so-called reform program rather than the oligarchs who continue to freely move billions of dollars to offshore tax havens. The biggest winners will be currency speculators; Western banks whose loans will be repaid via austerity measures; and European corporations who will gain access to the country?s markets and cheap Ukrainian labor under an EU association agreement set to be signed in May.
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The IMF economic reform program will unlock up to $27 billion in loans when it is approved this month, assuming Ukraine adopts a ?strong and comprehensive package of prior actions,? according to an IMF statement.
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In the first ?prior action? for the IMF loan, Ukraine?s state-controlled natural gas provider Naftogaz raised its subsidized gas prices for consumers by 50 percent starting May 1. (Gas and heating prices will increase by 120 percent over the next four years, Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk said last week.) According to Kiselyov, even more painful will be the accompanying 40 percent gas price hike for local heating companies. Starting on July 1, this will raise the average cost of heating a standard fifty-square-meter apartment from about 200 hryvnia to 280 hryvnia (from $18 to $25) per month. It?s a significant hit, considering that the average monthly wage in Ukraine is only about 3,150 hryvnia ($275), more than half of which typically goes toward food, Kiselyov said.
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The second step in the austerity program came into effect on Tuesday? a law raising property and excise taxes and cutting social expenditures. The cuts include a 10 percent reduction in pensions for former government employees, decreased benefits for families with newborns and reduced numbers of law enforcement and state prosecutor employees.
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Finally, a budget law signed on Tuesday increases government borrowing, while freezing the minimum wage and cutting the pension fund by 4 percent. In addition, Yatsenyuk said that despite rising prices, the poverty line won?t be increased this year, meaning the numerous social benefits based on that index will also be frozen.
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But the most painful of the IMF demands is a free-floating exchange rate that?s already being implemented, which will contribute to soaring inflation. Estimates continue to be revised: the National Bank of Ukraine is now forecasting inflation of 12 to 16 percent this year, and the Royal Bank of Scotland now predicts the hryvnia will fall to 12.5 on the dollar by the end of the year, after starting at 8.23
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The IMF?s most immediate concern, as former World Bank chief economist and Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz has said, is making sure Western financial institutions are paid back. European banks reportedly have more than $23 billion in outstanding loans in Ukraine, and US banks have more than $1.5 billion in outstanding loans there.
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Meanwhile, currency speculators will be able to profit from fluctuations in the hryvnia. And multinational corporations stand to benefit from privatization of those state assets that haven?t already been sold off. The IMF statement?s goals of ?attracting new investment? to the energy sector and ?restructuring? of Naftogaz hint at privatization to come, and government officials have dutifully responded with proposals to sell off coal mines and parts of the gas company.
Meanwhile in Ukrainian parliament

_Richard_ 04-08-2014 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20040683)
dont forget that she (US ambassador) was giving also bread to Berkut police.... so dont manipulate it that much....

anyway, the other thing is is it good for foreign ambassador to act like this....regardless if she gives bread for Berkut or sweets for protesters.....
how does one manipulate US ambassadors attending protests in foreign countries?

klinton 04-08-2014 09:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20042071)
how does one manipulate US ambassadors attending protests in foreign countries?
he tried(poster) to manipulate facts about US ambassador giving sweets to protesters...while she was doing that BUT ALSO she was giving bread to Berkut police ;-)

like I said before, the other thing is if she should leave embassy at all......

woj 04-08-2014 10:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20042062)
What will happen in Ukraine -> http://www.thenation.com/article/179...another-greece

Meanwhile in Ukrainian parliament
you make it sound like there is something wrong about paying back what you borrowed...

where I come from, you borrow $$ from someone, you pay it back...
same rules don't apply where you come from?

or do you actually think that adding "banks" to the equation somehow changes your obligation to pay back the debt?

evy97 04-08-2014 11:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by woj (Post 20042275)
you make it sound like there is something wrong about paying back what you borrowed...

where I come from, you borrow $$ from someone, you pay it back...
same rules don't apply where you come from?

or do you actually think that adding "banks" to the equation somehow changes your obligation to pay back the debt?
Good to hear. So, when will the US pay off its $17 trillion debt??

_Richard_ 04-08-2014 11:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by woj (Post 20042275)
you make it sound like there is something wrong about paying back what you borrowed...

where I come from, you borrow $$ from someone, you pay it back...
same rules don't apply where you come from?

or do you actually think that adding "banks" to the equation somehow changes your obligation to pay back the debt?
is it 'borrowing' when someone forces you to do it?

klinton 04-08-2014 11:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20042345)
Good to hear. So, when will the US pay off its $17 trillion debt??
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

very soon, just after will borrow some more... very soon...

but each country has debts....

woj 04-08-2014 11:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20042345)
Good to hear. So, when will the US pay off its $17 trillion debt??
last I checked we pay back what every investor agreed to... they give us $$$, we pay them back interest... exactly what each party agreed to...

where do you see a problem?

CAHEK 04-08-2014 11:19 AM
Meanwhile in Kharkov


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