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Old 03-19-2014, 12:28 AM   #51
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LOL, some of y'alls need to try living in Russia for a couple years and get back to us on how you like it.
exactly

ps. of course if you still would have that chance after a few years living there
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Old 03-19-2014, 12:30 AM   #52
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So true, but they're masters of shadiness. You never know what angle they're coming from.

My dad told me to never trust a Russian and it's one his many advices that proved to be true.
that was the same advice i've been given as well
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First of all: Two people were killed after snipers opened fire. One pro-russian self-defense member and one ukrainian soldier.

Does this sound familiar?



It's a clear provocation. This time russians must catch the snipers.
I bet they will do it.
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Just got back and found this in the news
Ukrainian president finally allowed our troops to use weapons

putin and ruskie have completely broke current world order and should be punished for that

The war is about to begin soon... ruskie have no support all over the world, they should be punished for all that mess badly
Man, isn't their fault that they want back what they had. Is your fault that you've trusted in Occident and accepted their guarantees when they asked to give up to nukes. Nobody would touched you if you still have those nuke warheads.
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LOL, some of y'alls need to try living in Russia for a couple years and get back to us on how you like it.
I know you've never been here, while I've been there (in the USA for example). I tell you a secret (not about a whole Russia but about Moscow for example). Something about after 11PM and during the night, all the bars/pubs/restaurants/strip clubs here turns into small England and States, because most of visitors there speak English and American English. These are the UK and the US expats that work and live here. You can't even imagine how many of them live in Moscow and love it just because the life here is real and alive. I know what I'm talking about because I'm traveling a lot and saw a shitload of countries/cities to compare. Live in Moscow is not worse than in NYC or LA, for example.
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Just got back and found this in the news
Ukrainian president finally allowed our troops to use weapons

putin and ruskie have completely broke current world order and should be punished for that

The war is about to begin soon... ruskie have no support all over the world, they should be punished for all that mess badly
Stop living in a dream world there wont be any war anytime soon, Ukrain cant fight Russia and the US and the UK will not go to war with Russia Do you really think that The US and UK will go to war over a shitty little county like Ukrain ? cause they wont

What will happen is the Ukrain will carry on the way it is, or be split up and nobody will do fuck all.

Russia can do far more damage to the UK and many parts of Europe by way of imposing its own sanctions and stopping the supply of both gas and oil. They can also sell off a lot of US dollars.

U cant fuck with a country like Russia and expect them to just walk away anymore, they have way to much levearage in the world now and Putin knows this.

TBH the EU are a bunch of thieving lieng pricks anyway

And if people in the Ukrain want to join Russia or stay with the Ukrain well then thats up to them.


Just get over the fact that there will NOT be any war with Russia
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I know propaganda when I see it, but Russia is significantly the lesser of the two evils
I pity you. But perhaps I'm wrong to, you've found some form of happiness and self worth by creating a fantasy world of lies. Of course the irony is that your world view revolves around the lies and deceptions of the rich and evil when the closer truth is you're the one telling and repeating bigger lies and deceptions to yourself.
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Stop living in a dream world there wont be any war anytime soon, Ukrain cant fight Russia and the US and the UK will not go to war with Russia Do you really think that The US and UK will go to war over a shitty little county like Ukrain ? cause they wont
Actually they really think so. A proof:



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Actually they really think so. A proof:



I cant understand that lol what does it say ?
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I know you've never been here, while I've been there (in the USA for example). I tell you a secret (not about a whole Russia but about Moscow for example). Something about after 11PM and during the night, all the bars/pubs/restaurants/strip clubs here turns into small England and States, because most of visitors there speak English and American English. These are the UK and the US expats that work and live here. You can't even imagine how many of them live in Moscow and love it just because the life here is real and alive. I know what I'm talking about because I'm traveling a lot and saw a shitload of countries/cities to compare. Live in Moscow is not worse than in NYC or LA, for example.
If Russia is so fantastic then why are all these Russians remaining in Ukraine which is a poor country? I understand they have a right to live in Ukraine, my question is why they remain when Ukraine is a sovereign nation.

Crimea is a different situation, semi-autonomous, crucial warm weather port - I understand its importance to Russia. If Russians encroach on East Ukraine the world must stand up to them.

Not a surprise Americans and Brits enjoy Moscow, there's money to be made and it's a cosmopolitan city where people with money buy what rich people everywhere buy - sex, entertainment, fashion, cars, food, drink, drugs. I don't think anybody thinks Russia is still the drab miserable city it was painted as under Communist rule. Even during the Soviet era I'm sure the major cities of Russia had first class restaurants and clubs that the elite enjoyed.
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Just got back and found this in the news
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putin and ruskie have completely broke current world order and should be punished for that

The war is about to begin soon... ruskie have no support all over the world, they should be punished for all that mess badly
Слышь, придурок. Военнослужащие Украины переходили на сторону Крыма. В это время в заброшенной девятэтажке по ним работал снайпер. Он убил одного украинского солдата и одного из, так называемых, сил самообороны Крыма. Еще двое ранены. При чем здесь русские, блядь? События на Майдане ничем не напоминает? Ты совсем с ума сошел, говно бандеровское?
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I cant understand that lol what does it say ?
The Ukrainian TV says: "Russia declared a war to the Ukraine" and "the US army is ready to help us".
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If Russia is so fantastic then why are all these Russians remaining in Ukraine which is a poor country?
1 of 3 prostitutes in Moscow is from Ukraine. The stats say for themselves

P.S. A foreign citizen has to be very educated and skilled to get a really good job in Moscow. This is why the local companies prefer to hire the US and EU expats instead of the Ukrainian ones.
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If Russia is so fantastic then why are all these Russians remaining in Ukraine which is a poor country? I understand they have a right to live in Ukraine, my question is why they remain when Ukraine is a sovereign nation.
good point. actually Ukraine is a better place to live for a regular person, than russia. in most of options.
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The Ukrainian TV says: "Russia declared a war to the Ukraine" and "the US army is ready to help us".
Bwhaha now that is just plain funny.

I saw a movie on the BBC where Ukrain was moving troops up to the border with Russia and the local town told them to leave cause they did not want trouble so the Ukrainian army packed up and left lol

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26638575
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I live near two different Russian households, and I can easily say they're not well liked in the neighborhood. I've worked with Russians and they're shady as fuck. I don't want to make blanket statements, but I have empirical data that supports my theory on them being mostly rotten.
They are most unpopular nation (because of their behaviour) in most tourist locations I have been to...(at least thats what locals told us). Second prize goes to Israel.
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I was thinking is all it takes for a war to start is one jerk-off with an itchy trigger finger.
This is how the WW1 started (as they say in history books): a Serbian student with an itchy trigger finger assassinated Franz Ferdinand. The story is far more complex though.
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Crimean Prime Minister Sergey Aksyonov told Russia?s Channel One that this attack is reminiscent of the Maidan sniper shootings in Kiev.

?At the moment two people are dead as a result of a provocation, a sabotage." he said.
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one thing is sure - those svoboda people are shady as fuck and do talk like Nazis...

laughable to give them seats in the new government and very much understandable when the russian side uses that as argument
Are you aware how many people are supporting them there? that is a serious threat to civilized world.

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You admit that you are a lazy person Mutt, so it fits in why you've outsourced your political opinion to CNN rather than keeping it in-house. Since you're so lazy as to believe everything they say I can completely understand why you would feel pity for me, thank you for caring


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The Ukraine and Russia have much in common, Kiev was the birthplace of Russian language and culture.

To a foreigner a Russian and Ukrainian would be identical.

Millions of Russians and Ukrainians have families and connections in the other country.

If the Ukraine were to join the EU it would mean the splitting up of hundreds of thousands of families, they would need to obtain visas to visa their families.

Nationalism is a dangerous and bankrupt ideology in a world which is ever smaller and is one economy.

The struggle between big power blocks of US, EU, Russia and China and their use of small countries as pawns to fight proxy wars needs to be resisted and we need to build an international movement of respect for all peoples and their right to work and happiness.
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Seriously? You think that there is a "lesser of the two evils" when it comes to propaganda???










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one thing is sure - those svoboda people are shady as fuck and do talk like Nazis...
And this is different from any other "revolution" how? Every single "revolution" brings out the crazies, the Russians killed the entire Romanov family, the Romanians killed Ceaushescu and his wife, so nothing new there.

And the crazies don't stand a chance in Ukraine, they can talk the talk, but they won't do anything stupid - it's quite simple, you want money, you will get them only if you behave like civilized people.

So, the Russians in Ukraine were never under any real threat and with all the talk who's right and who's left, the fact is that Russia just got bigger and Ukraine just got smaller. Land-grab is just that, no matter how you try to spin it.
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Seriously? You think that there is a "lesser of the two evils" when it comes to propaganda???
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I was referring to the long term intentions of the victors
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If the Ukraine were to join the EU it would mean the splitting up of hundreds of thousands of families, they would need to obtain visas to visa their families.
Yes, the one must think about it as about the Berlin Wall. But now the evil role will be played by not the USSR. It will be played by the Western countries
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Ukraine has a big vote on Friday to join the EU, so if Putin wants to grab further than Crimea, he'd better get some bullets flying. With Crimea officially not part of Ukraine anymore, they've gotten rid of all the pro-Russian voters. They're free to join up with Europe, as long as Putin doesn't take them by force.
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one thing is sure - those svoboda people are shady as fuck and do talk like Nazis...

laughable to give them seats in the new government and very much understandable when the russian side uses that as argument
and they are not 'goons' but three Svoboda members of parliament!

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The United States Embassy in Kyiv condemns the heavy-handed bullying and physical abuse of Mr. Oleksandr Panteleymonov, head of Ukraine?s National Television Channel, UT-1, by members of the political party ?Svoboda? on March 18. We welcome today?s statements by both Prime Minister Yatsenyuk and Minister of Interior Avakov decrying this behavior as unacceptable. We urge the Svoboda party to discipline Svoboda MP Ihor Miroshnychenko and other party members involved in the incident.

We, along with many Ukrainians, are deeply offended by this incident, which was not an exercise in patriotism, but instead a reminder of the thug-like tactics previously employed by the Yanukovych regime. This behavior has no place in a Ukraine committed to defending democracy, civil liberties, and individual freedoms, particularly press freedoms. Over the past months, we have commented positively on Svoboda?s productive, indeed key, role during the Maidan protests and in the peaceful transition to a new, more transparent government. We welcome Svoboda leader Tyahnybok?s repeated statement of his commitment to building a modern, European and democratic political party. This is particularly important now that Svoboda had become a part of government. However, this incident is unacceptable in a modern, democratic society.

We applaud the timely announcement by Prosecutor General Makhnytsky that his office will conduct a criminal investigation into the incident and urge the Svoboda party to cooperate fully. We expect all Ukrainians to protect and honor their democratic rights and freedoms as well as those of others.
what a BS propaganda. Someone needs to stop US. 300m people just a waste of space...
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The rules have been broken. Visually. At first, unthinkable happened, emotions burst out. But, somebody did his home work pretty well and took the chance when others were not even ready to imagine where it was going. This is edgy, but this is reality. If the parties accept ( on a certain level ) what happened there will be no more dead people. The energy needs a way out or else.
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It's because Russians were told all their life that capitalism is all corrupt. Now they find themselves in a so called capitalist state but do t know how to act, so they think it's anything goes..
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where are you from?
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Crimean Prime Minister Sergey Aksyonov told Russia?s Channel One that this attack is reminiscent of the Maidan sniper shootings in Kiev.

?At the moment two people are dead as a result of a provocation, a sabotage." he said.
He is the perfect to source to quote
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Crimean Prime Minister Sergey Aksyonov told Russia?s Channel One that this attack is reminiscent of the Maidan sniper shootings in Kiev.

?At the moment two people are dead as a result of a provocation, a sabotage." he said.
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He is the perfect to source to quote
Did he sing this song to Vlad Putin afterward:





I bet he did.
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Why do the Russians here continue to post links to official state propaganda that very few outside Russia believe.
Americans also post links to fix news, I don't get your point?
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I was referring to the long term intentions of the victors
No offense, but if you don't realize that the goal of ALL of them is power over you, then you are a damn fool. I have major problems with the direction that western governments are taking, especially the US, but compared to what my friends went through who escaped the Soviet Union, it's not even close. Yes, the Soviet Union no longer exists, but according to my Russian friends, it's becoming pretty clear from Putin's internal policies (I'm not talking about Crimea), that he would love to go back to the "good old days". As for the US and Europe, it's clear that the political elites there would also enjoy getting more and more power and control over everything in our lives, (while not having the same rules apply to them, of course).

During the time of slavery in the US, many owners in the south would argue that the slaves were much better off the way they were. They got guaranteed employment, guaranteed food, guaranteed shelter, guaranteed clothes, guaranteed free medical care, and guaranteed family planning, all provided by the central planning of the slave master.


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Just to clarify if you look back at my comment, I didn't say Russia is good, just significantly the lesser of the two evils (when compared to the West). Let's say USA has an evil rating of 94, EU 97 and Britain 91, then that gives Russia 82 (for reference Iceland would score 14)

The Soviet Union was a lot worse than the current Russia, though keep in mind the setup/revolution was funded from New York. The Global Banker's wanted their central banks in Russia.




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No offense, but if you don't realize that the goal of ALL of them is power over you, then you are a damn fool. I have major problems with the direction that western governments are taking, especially the US, but compared to what my friends went through who escaped the Soviet Union, it's not even close. Yes, the Soviet Union no longer exists, but according to my Russian friends, it's becoming pretty clear from Putin's internal policies (I'm not talking about Crimea), that he would love to go back to the "good old days". As for the US and Europe, it's clear that the political elites there would also enjoy getting more and more power and control over everything in our lives, (while not having the same rules apply to them, of course).

During the time of slavery in the US, many owners in the south would argue that the slaves were much better off the way they were. They got guaranteed employment, guaranteed food, guaranteed shelter, guaranteed clothes, guaranteed free medical care, and guaranteed family planning, all provided by the central planning of the slave master.


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So what happened to this tread? I am reading in newspapers that one sniper guy is arrested and other one is on the run. he is from western Ukraine, Svoboda nazi memeber.

Anyway, I guess this is telling a lot:

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So what happened to this tread? I am reading in newspapers that one sniper guy is arrested and other one is on the run. he is from western Ukraine, Svoboda nazi memeber.

Anyway, I guess this is telling a lot:

Ukrainian Hitler Ugent is the future of Nazi Ukraine. Congrats to the winners.
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Why is Eastern Europe so shit?

Being completely honest, how is it that there are only a handful of countries worth a damn in the European mainland, yet exactly zero of them are located east of Germany?( I don't consider the Nordic countries part of the European mainland)
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Ukrainian Hitler Ugent is the future of Nazi Ukraine. Congrats to the winners.
So , we have videos like this,videos of beating and repression in brutal and humiliating manner by new government supporters and that is completely fine for EU and USA governments?

They are not even trying anymore to hide intentions.
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Why is Eastern Europe so shit?
Compared to what? All EU countries except Romania and Bulgaria have very high HDI:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...elopment_Index

and even Bulgaria will join the group 10 years from now (if Adolf Putin doesn't start WW3 by then).

Things have changed quite a bit in the past 15-20 years.

If you are asking why the Eastern European countries are shittier than Germany, the country with the 5th highest HDI in the World, then you can ask the same question about every other country except the top 4.
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Why is Eastern Europe so shit?

Being completely honest, how is it that there are only a handful of countries worth a damn in the European mainland, yet exactly zero of them are located east of Germany?( I don't consider the Nordic countries part of the European mainland)
A lot of those countries are still transitioning from being on the east side of the Iron Curtain, then having that political/social order fall apart while the widespread corruption that existed remained in place. Their economies literally had to be transformed, and that can be a generation-long process.

East Germany slowly but surely integrated after reunification (even there it wasn't entirely smooth and EG is still much poorer than West), many other countries like Poland, the Baltics, etc, are making strides but it's a long process. You have to keep in mind that for decades until 1989 these were not independent states, they had puppet governments who answered to Moscow (save Yugoslavia under Tito, they were a unique case tho) and you can't transition from that overnight.
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A lot of those countries are still transitioning from being on the east side of the Iron Curtain, then having that political/social order fall apart while the widespread corruption that existed remained in place. Their economies literally had to be transformed, and that can be a generation-long process.

East Germany slowly but surely integrated after reunification (even there it wasn't entirely smooth and EG is still much poorer than West), many other countries like Poland, the Baltics, etc, are making strides but it's a long process. You have to keep in mind that for decades until 1989 these were not independent states, they had puppet governments who answered to Moscow (save Yugoslavia under Tito, they were a unique case tho) and you can't transition from that overnight.
Well it's nobody's fault but these countrie's fault, now there's another "puppet" governments answering local influences that play two sides - "conforming" with the west on the outside but willing to keep their old style of corrupt existence - it doesn't work.

Obviously it's easier to make a "revolution" or anything else alibi like apart from trying to solve the things they managed to cause and continue to do so in the first place.
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and even Bulgaria will join the group 10 years from now
According to that HDI table it doesn't look so, because even during last 3 years it moved 4 positions down (i.e. the the HDI does not grow there, it makes even worse).

Also I'm not the one who relies on HDI because it's very subjective and doesn't meet the reality. The most important thing is GDP per capita: http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/...last&sort=desc - there you can find your country and compare it to others.
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кстати, мало кто из здесь присутствующих знает, что Болгария и Румыния вообще получили государственность только в результате многолетних кровопролитных войн Российской Империи и Турции

кстати, мало кто из здесь присутствующих знает, что Румыния и Болгария воевали против Советского Cоюза во второй мировой войне

зато все знают и одобряют что Румыния и Болгария сейчас льют говно бочками на Российскую Федерацию. Аналогии с Украиной 100%

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