All jokes aside I am seriously doubting they felt anything from this.

It's always a few focal people raising hell and cancelling but for 99% it's business as usual.

Edit, that site is Robs site.

It's NEVER good business to lose customers. And even if they lose a handful over this...it just isn't good business.

well stated and very true. What the negative publicity has cost Manwin more than anything is financing. They may have gotten a venture capital investment early on but they haven't been able to get another, hence the merger with Redtube.

Say what you want but Manwin/MindGeek IS struggling financially, almost all of those businesses they bought up are in the red and the few that arent like Twistys are in decline and may well end up as a net loss.

I hope that I played some part in them missing out on any mainstream deals, Charlie Gasperino assures me that I have.

I assure you I will continue to fight this "war"

I think they lost enough models, performers, photographers and got enough bad press over this that they did feel it. My sources inside Manwin tell me its big internally.

plus those models were bringing in paying customers, since they tried to get their fans to signup and vote for them, easiest money they ever made probably

people had to sign up to vote? Like a paid signup?

yes, now they could already signup for a $1 trial, still a portion of those will rebill

so the question is will any model put any effort in promotion next year? I think that will be the biggest loss

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These wouldn't the same sources that were wrong about Streamrate and Jules Jordan would they?

Do you get a feeling of a hunch that there is a possibility to think about mulling over so you can form a hypothesis from which to draw a possibly probable conclusion? :1orglaugh

I don't know, I'd like to think that most people have enough self respect so as to not want to be seen crawling back on their hands and knees.

Then again, judging by some of the people here...

http://i.imgur.com/wYVJk67.jpg

Who knows :|.

I absolutely agree with this sentiment, especially now.
Porn companies should be maturing and recognizing their paying customers are not blindly opening their wallets like 2004.

Ramster/Rob was one of the few trying to improve the quality of the product, which really separates your paysite from free sources like tubes

I tend not to take Mike South's posts as a reliable source, but it is many who agree the adult prerecorded content pay sites lost conversion ratio after 2005, 2008, 2010 and supposedly in the past 3 years too.

Specific reasons of decline are told by many to be, except obvious financial crisis which hits every business not just this: 1) piracy (dvd and HD rips, mainly torrents and filelockers) and 2) tubes (low quality, but enough for most of the people who just fap 5-10 mins).

If it is correct to say that tubes do cannibalize the (prerecorded content) pay sites, then I do not understand why a leading tube company as Mansef->Manwin should have invested money into buying the main (prerecorded content) pay sites. In fact other tube companies (xhamster, xvideos, ...) did not spent money in purchasing (prerecorded content) pay sites, that I know of - more probable they re-invested in real estate or bitcoin, all except pay sites.

A tube buying pay sites (if really tubes cannibalize pay sites as most people imply), it is like if the first digital audio/photo/video makers ( = tubes, the future) invested into purchasing the dieing (cannibalized) analogic kodak film, slide projectors and magnetic cassette makers ( = pay site) to continue produce the old stuff no matter what. If a flat LCD monitor maker purchased a dieing CRT monitor company to keep it up producing CRT monitors. An USB flash drive maker purchasing a floppy disk maker and so on. If an online digital media company purchased a printed (paper!) magazine, such as... Playboy.

If Mansef->Manwin had to invest money to buy something "because had to spend investor/advertising cash flow money anyway", it made more sense to buy in a growing or at least stable sales market, for example, cam sites: streamate, myfreecams, imlive, nothing smaller than that - and only that, no any twistys, digital playground etc., and even sell out brazzers ASAP, divesting completely from pay sites, leaving only tubes + ad network + cams, nothing else. Was it South who said Manwin wanted to buy Streamate? Perhaps could do it if had not purchased anything else first, I assume you can't buy both big cam and big pay sites (funds limit), choice was made it was pay sites, now what?

PS: Was it the christian teachers pension fund who invested in Manwin via new york banks?

I think conversions took the biggest hit in 2013, was also the first time I had several owners telling me, an affiliate, that conversions were (way) down, instead of the usual 'best year ever'-line

think someone from FreeOnes could give a pretty good view of what happened to paysite conversions across the board over the years