Brilliant journalistic integrity!

Who cares if something is true, just 'print' any old shit to sell ads.

You are right,people actually cancelling memberships lol
Wonder if manwin will (can?) take legal action

source:
https://twitter.com/MsVeracruzXXX

pics:
https://twitter.com/frontsight81/sta...518720/photo/1
https://twitter.com/Richter2k1/statu...195008/photo/1
https://twitter.com/Raptora22/status...399681/photo/1

Its always interesting to see the same mindGeek ass kissers try to derail a negative thread about MindGeek but I en devour to persevere LOL. i will do my best to include real industry news like Paul Markham advice and dvtimes videos in the future...theres just so much one guy can do in a day ya know...

My mindgeek sources one of whom was one of several sources on the loss to Jules Jordan (thats verified in my book) have told me that the upper management is PISSED that this has become the tempest in a teapot that it has and just like with Scott Justice at Digital Playground...some one(s) are going take a cut/lose a job over it.


Meantime draw from this what you like but one thing you can take to the bank...Manwin/MindGeek/Mansef/whatever can buy AVN and XBiz but they aint got enough to buy me...

Do you agree from a business perspective or subjective opinion of attractiveness of the models?

If Vanessa won due to her own, legitimate, campaigning, do you not think she deserves credit? If the fans voted her to win because of qualities beyond her physical appearance, it says a lot about the mindset of the members.

Short term (new sales), this wouldn't affect business, but long-term (rebills) may be significantly impacted if ignoring customers' desires continues. The eroding of trust in management is a particularly grave concern. Isn't it often said, "the time to bail on an investment is when you can no longer trust the management" ?

The smarter guys bail out sooner. Rob may be smartest for leaving now. ;)

HAHAHAHAHAHA. You did that on purpose right?
If you did, that's hilarious - mocking the fact they also made redundant their legal team just a few days ago.

although I don't see anything they can take legal action against if you are serious, unless the voting was not rigged, then they can pursue a libel case

From a business perspective I would have never booked Vanessa in the first place. If you want a hot latina model just look over what Pacino posts as they are way hotter. Also from a business perspective the honorable thing to do would be to give the winner of the popular vote the top prize.

If I had fucked up and let it get to the point where the model who won the popular vote was Vanessa I would have done the same thing and overruled the vote and just taken the black eyes.

:1orglaugh

I think I heard that on Fox News as well.

:Oh crap

Yes true, Freeones does as well, my bad. I was referring to the pay site side of things. I have much respect for Freeones, I think we can all agree a top notch site! :thumbsup

What's happening with Sextube?
Used to be good sales there...

All this wasn't even about winning, it was about Madison Ivy being named runner up over Vanessa. Runner up gets nothing, zip! Look at Twistys and find ANY mention of the runner up from last year or the year before or the year before that.
http://www.twistys.com/tour/treats/l.../date/alltime/

This year they have Madison all over the tour as runner up, First time promoting runner up on the tour has Ever happened. That banner will be gone soon I'm sure and if it isn't and they keep promoting her as much as the new TOTY Nicole Aniston, I think if I was Nicole I'd be a bit pissed.

For those that don't understand Twistys (it's ok I didn't fully until I worked there) the runner up is more a reward for pushing Twistys, a thank you per say and in the past we've sent the runner up on the Treat of the Year shooting in order to have 3 girls to work the various girl/girl combos over 4 days of shooting. That's all. Runner up doesn't get money, a special trailer, featured on the tour or in the members area or a Twistys necklace.

What those guys won't be showing is a screenshot of them renewing their subscription when their 30 days is up and no longer have access even though they cancelled their subscription. They're just looking for acknowledgment on twitter from models they like.

As long as Shap gets his $ who gives a fuck.

Didnt know AVN and XBIZ was for sale, I heard they were saving their pennies up, to buy you:winkwink:

You must not have been reading them very long they are for sale cheap.....

and they dont have enough money to buy me either....

The interesting thing here in my eyes is that the adult models who got fucked over by manwin are pulling together and taking a stand.

Porn Valley on the other hand bent over and said Thank You Sir May I Have another,

one could also say that no one cares - besides said models - whereof 99% will change their opinion in a heartbeat once the next rent is due and they get a shoot for Twistys offered

I'm not sure sure Stefan... there's definitely a few bridges being burned if you read the tweets. The G/G models and solo models seem most affected, and the tweets seem to suggest Twistys is going more hardcore, or is focusing more on the girls who do B/G hardcore versus the ones limited to solo and G/G. Certainly I have no confirmation on that, it's just what I keep reading.

No disrespect intended but isn't that part of the job description.


Some opportunistic investor will get behind them, give them a push, and put together a fan/pay site I'm sure. Always someone looking to make something off the current buzz.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Twisty's was sold off to another company, they can do whatever they want it

There you go again... where is the decision on Jordan vs Manwin? That actually would be newsworthy. Models complaining and ex employees disagreeing with new management just doesn't rise quite to the level that someone winning a multi million dollar law suit... but that might just be me.

The members on twistys are extremely critical, lots of harsh remarks about the physiques of certain models or the direction of a scene.

I'm not sure it's limited to Twistys members. I've read some of the comments from members areas of many sites, for example Brazzers where some comments are just egregiously disrespectful, and then and even inside sites like Digital Desire, some can be fairly critical, albeit DigitalDesire's members are also largely respectful. On the flipside, comments from people inside the really softcore sites, like OnlyTease.com and PinupFiles.com appear overwhelmingly respectful and positive -- different demographics I guess. Certainly a small data sample as it's only from my own observations as having been inside hundreds of these types of sites.

True dat. Take the 7 mil or whatever and GTFO at the top. Props, and well played sir.

In the end, at the end of the day, when all is said and done, when the fat lady has sung, when the curtain falls, when the show is over, when the last barfly leaves, when the lights go out, when the final bell tolls and when you get right down to it only a single thing matters:

Who's got the motherfucking money.

I don't care what they do with the site. If Rob wasn't running things I probably wouldn't have logged in. Truth is he was there and I stepped in to back him up.

I'm always there to step up for my old crew members whether they are working Manwin Twistys or another company.

Good to know you have the people you care abouts back.

I was established years ago on the evils of Manwin and Manwin/Mindgeek related sites.

At the end of the day it was just accepted and it pretty much is what it is. People were loud and disagreed with what Lars and others were doing when CAMS were giant, the ads everywhere, on all different types of sites, but again, nothing was really done.

Maybe if more time was put into doing more positive, supporting those who are doing things right, and just trying to create a positive environment would benefit everyone, and also make people more money.

You will post 3000 more threads about how evil they are, who is upset, but in the end it really will make no difference.

Sure this gets a lot of views, and it gets lots of people to your site and increases what you can sell ads for, but all in all we should probably all start giving props to those doing good, doing right, and supporting them in any way we can.

Always. They went to war for me and I'll go to war for them. Obviously there are varying degrees depending on the person. But let's say a guy like Michael (Mpahlca). I have his back for life in whatever it may be. Business, person, a fight, family whatever. I'm there for him. He just has to say the word or turn on our secret Bat Signal we have set up :thumbsup

Well said! This won't hurt them on bit. It will be a pain in the ass for a week or two but then it blows over and they'll continue to steamroll.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

hey mike, who owns this website ?

http://www.allthepornstars.com/tgpx/submit.php

I'm not the Michael he mentioned, but as a former employee, what Shap says is true.
Both he and Michael provided the right amount of guidance and support.

Twistys was my first "office" job.
Too many guys in this business can't let go of their ego and insist on micro-managing. Only after leaving the company, did I come to appreciate how much Sean and Michael worked at being good managers in order for the employees to feel appreciated, and the company subsequently thrive. You don't get that sort of understanding by working alone at home.

And of course you don't want to get into a fight with a guy who can bench 500lbs :Oh crap

Ahh thanks Michael. Everyone at my gym has heard the story of how you almost got the entire office lunch with 50 straight pushups :)

Yeah that was pretty impressive :thumbsup

Sometimes when you fight a war even though you ultimately won, you lost. And vice-versa. Manwin definitely took some punishment and is still taking some punishment for their reputation. I would not be surprised if some of the negativity towards them in the industry already cost them a major mainstream deal or two. Many major mainstream companies would take one look at some of the accusations made here towards them and run like hell.

Rewarding those doing it the right way is a good idea. The good people in the industry ought to band together more for sure to support one another.

What a very well written post - and good point

as in politics: it's the bungled cover up that creates the shit storm

banning models from the forum, which is one aspect Twistys still has going for it, was a dumb move to solve things

banning Shap and members, that's just sad

members cancelling, will most lickely be the miost shitty for revshare affiliates

well you cancel them and then you let them join again :winkwink:

i dont know but I see they banned twistys...interesting soon as I have some time I will followup.

Its interesting to me the success that this handful of models has had in impacting Twistys bottom line...admitted it isnt huge and it wont likely bankrupt them anytime soon but I guarantee you they feel it