You would think they would put ships out there with the sole intention of tracking such flights...

Why not save all the work and just show them this board? :winkwink:

Or satellites.
In about 3 weeks you can see on Google earth what happened.

Scatty thought

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The truth is boring....

During 2004 in the United States, pilot error was listed as the primary cause of 78.6% of fatal general aviation accidents, and as the primary cause of 75.5% of general aviation accidents overall. For scheduled air transport, pilot error typically accounts for just over half of worldwide accidents with a known cause.

Is it crashed or what?

As usual, the media in this case are being unhelpful.

Civilian radar is passive, it cannot see a plane, it only sees the transponder (when its turned on and functioning).
The transponder broadcasts information to local ATC networks.(like your phone does to your network)
1. Position
2. Altitude
3. Bearing
4. Condition. ( the pilots normally set this to 1000 )

If there is a problem, either pilot can type in 7500 (Hijack); 7600 (catastrophic failure) or 7700 (mayday).

Military radar, on the other hand, is active (doesn't matter if the transponder is working or not) it "sees" the aircraft. However its range is much shorter..<200 miles in good conditions.

The US military have been searching to the west of Malaysia since Sunday at least, possibly Saturday. They still haven't come up with anything.

According to Channel News Asia, they have their hands somewhat tied. And now with the military coming out with info that they clearly had been sitting on for 4 days, they have been letting everyone search in the wrong area in purpose. Doesn't pass the smell test.

As TheSquealer said above, they may have shot it down by accident, or someone in a high position is in on the whole thing and the plane is being repurposed for something else. Until it's found, there is no way to know. Malaysia (and SE Asia in general) is full of radical Muslims, so the sky is the limit here when trying to think of what may have happened. The only way to put it all to rest is to find the plane and the black box.

think i just saw it listed on backpage

It doesn't have to be a nuke, but the circumstances are such that you can't rule out that plane sitting under cover on some dink runway, being prepared for something far bigger...

Good movie fodder anyway

so the missing aircraft have been found ...

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/12/us...html?hpt=hp_c2

... ehh, sorry, i know, hardcore fun ... :Oh crap :helpme

This scenario becomes more concerning with each day the plane is missing. Especially considering they took a 777.

Right, they probably landed a fully loaded 777 in the jungle somewhere. You can put them down anywhere .... they probably landed in someone's back yard and then quickly parked it in the garage.

so:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/08/world/...plane-missing/

'Twenty of the passengers aboard the flight work with Freescale Semiconductor, a company based in Austin, Texas. The company said that 12 of the employees are from Malaysia and eight are from China.'

there is rumours that this company is involved with rather classified defense contracts etc

Pilot error at the same time when communications were lost? Pretty huge coincidence :1orglaugh

Uh-oh.

the conspiracy nutters come out from their basements. Hopefully the spring's sunlight will force them to retreat again.

What is that 4 days old info? Not everybody is watching Asia news.. :)

Hopefully they didn't end up on North Sentinel Island.

cnn is a conspiracy nutter?

have you lost your mind?

in other news:
http://gawker.com/oil-rig-worker-say...m=socialfl ow

A New Zealand man working on an oil rig in the South China Sea claims he witnessed missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 burst into flames before disappearing.

Don't be a simpleton, I know you're smarter than that. The region is littered with abandoned airfields from WWII and it doesn't take too much money from terrorist groups or drug cartels to carve a serviceable strip from the jungle, even for that size aircraft.

I guarantee that any known place it could have landed has been / is being checked, as well as massive surveillance underway to uncover any hidden location.

The days of scoffing and saying "that could NEVER happen!" ended on 9/11

problem with that theory is satellites.. chinese launched 10 for just this incident

Simpleton?

Ok... lets understand what you are saying. You are suggesting that "in the jungle" is a perfectly paved runway capable of supporting a Boeing 777 fully loaded with fuel, passengers and cargo (~500,000lbs or 250 tons)... that is at least 2 miles in length, including a completely clear, unobstructed approach... existing unbeknownst to any military or government, which no satellite is monitoring and that AND no one can find these runways or identify a missing commercial airliner with a 212' wingspan parked on one.

And according to you, its silly to even scoff at that notion?

Sounds legit.

Suggesting that a plane like this can be landed at an "abandoned" airfield, no matter how much modification is done, clearly indicates that you have no clue what kind of runway is required to even support a loaded plane like this. it's not like Sea Bees laying down landing mats in the mud to land a single passenger WWII fighter plane you know.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh now there is a lot of assumptions

Not a problem, the Chinese investment illustrates how seriously this possibility is being taken

Global Hawk and other assets are all over this :2 cents:

I'm often off with my assumptions.

For example, I used to assume you weren't just an useless faggot working as someones low wage employee with nothing to offer but vague, snarky remarks...spending your days embarrassing the company that stooped low enough to employ you.

it's a good possibility..

ahh, i see, you don't wanna talk about the matter at hand

so you revert to a little bitch

You assume it is "unbeknownst to any military or government," which is a HUGE assumption

Not "just" according to me.

NO responsible contingency planner scoffs at any notion today, and such a scenario is easily within the realm of motivated operators.

Actually it can be that easy. I grew up with runways as my second home and I've seen nearly every type of aircraft ever flown and have watched the Russians land bigger jets on a mud field -- different aircraft to be sure, but the weight was not the end all you might believe it to be.

I live not too far from all of this and can tell you for 100% fact that there are PLENTY of places to put that aircraft down in the region. Countless abandoned Vietnam War time airstrips are littered across SE Asia. Or for that matter, paid off officials to land at the very airport it took off from, or another smaller one elsewhere. Money literally buys EVERYTHING over here. No matter how absurd it sounds, money could buy this, I have no doubt.

When you have the military of these nations deeply involved in the drug and arms trade and using their planes to carry contraband on a regular basis, anything is possible. The military runs most of these countries and what they want to do, they do. End of story.

Thailand has a few small military bases that were used during the war than lands 747 and 777 planes from Russia on a regular basis. You would never think it could be done, but they do it often. And if they do it here, they can do it anywhere.

That said... I'm NOT saying this was the case, as I don't think this is what happened. I'm just saying it could with a little planning and a lot of money. I believe it was hijacked and everyone is dead.


Some great coverage of this coming out on the Asian news networks right now. They seem to be breaking it a lot faster than the western media.

The point is that while such a scenario is highly unlikely it is not impossible and smart folks are spending time and money on eliminating this possibility.

And BTW, if they found it sitting on a runway, it wouldn't make CNN until the meat eaters were through and egressed off-site

:2 cents:

Now the military is saying they didn't track the plane, so it's already fudged and confusing.

Isn't it the other way around - it was easier to land without being noticed before 9/11 and harder after..

If I would consider landing unnoticed the only thing I would consider would be - landing in current airfield/airport in some "friendly" country, WITH a knowledge of airport staff.

This is why I say no one should assume that "no government" (or government agency) knows

So in 2014 A Jetliner with 234 people can disappear & people can board planes with stolen passports.

You are not safer. You never were. You never will be. Don't believe the bullshit :thumbsup

Look on a map, you can see all the neighboring nations there. Some of them are full of Muslim extremists. All of them have incredibly corrupt governments and military.

So what was that 4 days old info that was held off in order to make them search in the wrong place? That would be huge international scandal..

I grew up flying as well. Non stop. My family owned planes. All their friends owned planes. I grew up in rural Alaska where planes were used like cars. I am not an overly experienced pilot and never had a passion for flying given that every 3rd family i grew up with had a father who died in a plane crash,... but i am familiar with what it takes to actually set down a plane like that and how much runway its going to need to take off... not to mention that there cannot be any obstructions at either end (hills, etc). Just a Cessna 207 fully loaded often needs 5-6k feet of runway with no headwind to take off (though its under powered and easily overloaded). I've had dozens of moments where i thought we weren't going to make it on large strips. Additionally, the runway has to be able to support the physical weight of the plane. That means it has to be build from the foundation up, like a highway. Runways used to get destroyed all the time by planes landing on them for which they weren't built for. Particularly loaded cargo planes. I remember in AK once a fully loaded 747-400 landed on a runway full of forklifts for an oil company and they had to park the plane and completely rebuild and upgrade and lengthen the entire runway to not only fix the damage but to get it out of there again. My point is also that though it "might be possible"... it is a highly improbable scenario as its unlikely such a runway of this size and construction, long enough and build to standards to support a fully loaded 777, exists that was built covertly and not being monitored. It just can't be something secret that no one knows about...its a massive construction project of specific construction, requiring a very specific location and the runway has to be huge. And its something that every regional government in addition to foreign governments with satellite surveillance capability would be monitoring.