L-Pink

You should just block the US then.

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bean-aid

Suggested solution below... would love to see those results. See, as small as that logo is... I guarantee will not adversely affect the norm and opens a new audience to market to.

DAMNMAN

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This is what they in the media are trying to get everyone to believe. It seems like a concerted effort....... I wonder who is pulling the strings.

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jscott

Agreed.

Those stats of offering bitcoin shitty ratio, to removing bitcoin great ratio is absolute bullshit LOL
well played marketing JT Reallyusefulcash

jscott

btw, in other porn bitcoin news, Score Group now accepts bitcoins http://business.avn.com/company-news...in-550387.html

...also, met art and ALL others have no complaints that i've seen about having btc on their join pages.

DamianJ

I thought the ONE thing you were meant to know about is billing?

JT cannot put the BTC logo there. Now, see if you can work out why...

And you cannot guarantee anything, except your next public meltdown that will lead to you getting banned. Again.

Shap

Agreed!

The 5 to 10% is so important. It adds up and changes the entire landscape of a business starting from the core the company's profit.

Shap

90% of the focus on content? Hmm that's a hard one. Great content is awesome but if no one sees it it's worth nothing.

DamianJ

As Markham learned!

DVTimes

3 pages of bitcoin.

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woj

I don't believe the results, perhaps the sites discussed are atypical in some way or perhaps it was just a fluke due to poorly designed A/B test (correctly run A/B test needs to be run concurrently, not one week of A, then one week of B)

otherwise why would countless companies accept bitcoins in both mainstream and adult if it causes the conversion rates to drop significantly? they are all idiots?

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jscott

That's right guys, this is the first company, porn or mainstream that I've ever heard having bad/negative results from accepting bitcoins.

I also don't agree with those stats/results, if they are in fact true, I'm sure there is something else involved.

Very high chance this was a marketing strategy. Look all the attention they are getting.

(anyone see namecheap, met-art, fiverr, tigerdirect, etc etc, or anyone for that matter, complaining???)

ITraffic

don't let your biases blind you.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comm...take_away_the/

woj

it was pulled AFTER this thread... so for all we know it went down like this:

"Hey I heard that bitcoins may reduce conversions rates... are you sure adding bitcoins was a good idea?"
"Hmm, no"
"How many sales did we get?"
"Not many...
"Take it down..."

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DWB

We're small potatoes compared to JT and we get bitcoin sales with minimal marketing. So long as you cash out at the right time, it's worth it. Like I said before, I'm really, really surprised they didn't make any money at all with BTC. It honestly doesn't make sense unless it was just poorly executed. Or perhaps tube users, JT's targeted market, are just too dumb to understand Bitcoin.

Relentless

The way to get that data is for other companies that have started accepting bitcoin to share that data and to compare their specific market, traffic pathing, join page design and so on to what JT is expressing. There is no point in adding Bitcoin and removing it *if it was generating sales*, so I'm not sure why you would doubt the results presented. You may be on to something as far as why it worked or didn't work, and getting stats from others like DWB is the best way to suss that out - but your previous posts (I believe unintentionally) suggest that something is false or intended to be misleading. That simply isn't the case.

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jscott

Agreed. I think this is an isolated incident

Relentless

That's really the crux of the story... what makes it work for some and not for others? Thanks for sharing your experience by the way.

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Shap

I think it's important to listen to what other people say and experience but don't live by it. First they may be lying. Second just because something worked or didn't work for them doesn't mean the same will apply to your sites. We've tried so many things people told us did amazing for them we'd try and nothing. Then we'd do things people said didn't work and it worked great. You never know.

DVTimes

interesting stuff

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LOL True true - so let's say 70%.

I'm just saying some companies spend a lot of time tweaking 5-10% here and there when their content is not what the marketplace obviously wants so instead should be spending more time creating better content. Sorry to go all Markham here. LOL



Just about the best thing you ever posted Shap. Pure truth. Most of what works for me doesn't work for others and vice-versa.

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Usually you can make educated guesses based on the differences between the sites with different opinions... but you need a decent sample size. As bitcoin rolls out across more sites it will get easier and easier to see which kinds of sites it is likely to work with and which is it is unlikely to work on. From my POV the number one thing is that any info being provided by people who test-piloted for you is useful. So, take it all with a grain of salt, but don't bite the hand of anyone willing to share their experience (or numbers)

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bean-aid

...ummmm, go bang another turtle please.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Promotional_graphics

TheSaint

Bitcoin is real. It will drive a substantial percent of online sales eventually, including porn. The only possible thing likely to take down Bitcoin would be an even more superior successor; think mysapce and facebook.

The currency exchange rate is really not an issue - if you don't care to speculate on currency swings then simply exchange them for dollars daily.

There are some real obstacles for porn though. BC is a push currency. Although some sites like coinbase simulate subscriptions there will never be a perfect subscription model for BC.

On the other hand there is no such thing as a chargeback, and fees are zero or token.

When you think of Mt. Gox think of Bernie Maddow. We didn't get rid of the the dollars after he skimmed off a few billion. And the Royal Bank of Scotland just announced the taxpayer bailout of 46 Billion was lost forever.

Right now Bitcoin is mostly educated geeky sorts, venture capitalists, risk takers, and entrepreneurial types. In other words your typical porn buyer.

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DamianJ

UH UHHHHHHH

Wrong.

Here's a clue, look at the source code of the site.

It's SO funny you pretend to know about billing but are suggesting something like that.

Alex1776

Where is PR_DAVE ???

fuzebox

[QUOTE=TheSaint;19999917
Right now Bitcoin is mostly educated geeky sorts, venture capitalists, risk takers, and entrepreneurial types. In other words your typical porn buyer.[/QUOTE]

Can't say I agree with any of these being typical porn buyers.

DWB

That's the way it always goes. Works for some, not for everyone. Or as we like to say when paying for the services of a hooker... Your Mileage May Vary (YMMV).

Biggy

Anyone who took the comment that adding Bitcoin raises sales by 50% needs their head examined. The only, ONLY way that could be plausible is if he was barely doing any sales before, and now all of a sudden due to publicity in BTC community he got a handful of sales that equal 50%. The same announcement was posted in the BTC reddit community, and the comments were pretty funny, as most reddit comments are. From it, I didn't get the impresison that the audience of bitcoin deviates too far away from your general porn consumer.

If you looked at that article, it was more a clever sales piece to sell his business to someone rich in the Bitcoin than anything else, so it was smart..

PORN IS THE BITCOIN KILLER APP!!! SO BUY PORN.COM FOR $50 MILLION IN BITCOIN!!!! - marketed hopefully right to some guy whose sitting on $300m worth of bitcoin from the early days, or some other big Bitcoin holder who has an invested interest in Bitcoin. Good way to diversify away from Bitcoin as well for them...

Clever way to sell a site, but only inexperienced people would believe you can add an obscure payment option and magically increase sales by 50% over night. There are only two payment options that could reap such benefits for an adult site owner if they didn't already have them, one is Visa, and the other is Mastercard. I am sure the people whp have BTC added are doing some sales, so as the general thinking goes, the more payment options you have generally the better off you are.

If JT's sales plummeted by 50%, that also sounds pretty odd. If I were in his shoes, I would think something else technically is going on. The integration of Bitcoin somehow broke his other processes, messed with his backend, etc. I am not fully privy to the facts but I don't think anyone else who has thrown up bitcoin has experienced the same. They've likely processed a handful of transactions as Bitcoins and their business is little changed over it.

TheSquealer

Yeah, JT is so clever to "market" his sites with an article that will be read by 20 people max. Clearly he's s a fucking genius. Maybe if he does that 200 more times, he'll get a paid join.

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DWB

Unless they can make it as simple as Paypal, so my grandpa can understand it, it's never, ever going to be a substantial driver of anything, especially porn.

Lykos

Nice reading this thread!

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Sad but true

JSWENSON

It must suck not understanding new technology and how to implement it. Stick to what you do know.

Colmike9

I thought the same thing

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bean-aid

I would just like to add that Damian portrays himself as a *consultant*, yet his immaturity and foul language get's his dick stuck in his mouth many times. I would also add that he has no business, at all, providing consulting services for anything as he is too fucking stupid to understand even the basics of this industry, and likely any industry... in general.

Here's a clue you fucking dipshit... I ERASED EPOCH... it was a subtle hint to get rid of them as biller. But your dumb ass can't figure that out, it's ok, you are ugly and have bad hygiene. Just shower more... may make you *look* smarter.

Ruseful

And this is the sole reason I detest posting on gfy, another "business" related thread is derailed with pathetic drama.

johnnyloadproductions

You need to knock it off! Getting a timeout doesn't mean you stop attacking the original cause of banishment, mostly that of Mr. Barefoot. It means stopping that behavior entirely, my last admonishment because I like you, stop.

Bourke

You're suggesting a European company erase Epoch, the billing company providing PayPal billing option to European customers? A proven option with a good track record since its introduction, removed to make way for an option which is speculative at best, and current data from his sites suggest is actually damaging at worst?

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Nickatilynx

Note what time , his time , beaner posts....

nuff said...

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DamianJ

Not only that, but just take their geo billing script by keeping it looking exactly the same and popping a new badge on it!

But either way, it's OK, he's just on a high/drunk rampage. Again. And he won't be able to stop himself posting nonsense about me, and I'll get him banned. Again.

bean-aid

Yes, i am suggesting he set up his own merchant account(s).
The thread is not about billing merchant, so i just added a subtle image for the suggestion.

The point is, adding bitcoin as a option, should not decrease sales like originally mentioned. It could easily be linked in a way to not hurt normal joins.

Damian, do you think people dont read? You have attacked every single one of my posts in this thread. You can simply not post on gfy... nobody will miss you.

Nickatilynx

OK...you are a moron.

I read Damian posts and would love to piss with him. Cept I can't. He is right.

Over the last months you have not only pissed me off, but now worse , you have begun to bore me.

Oh!!! look!!! the newbie discovered the advantages of having his own mids lol...well bugger me sideways!!! lol

On a board where morons are commonplace, you should congratulate yourself!! LOL

No one here will ever acquire a mid through you , for the reasons above stated.

Most people here who know what they are doing know the following:

1.) Epoch is really good
2.) CCBill is really good
3.) Your own mid is really good
4.) Multiple mids are really good.

All of them are great, I use them all.

In fact , I love them all.

Now if you wanna make millions work out why........

(hopefully someone reading that, that never posts will, good luck to you. )



And stop posting at 3 am yr time. Its a give away that what Damian says is true.

(( you annoyed me so bad that that was my 788 post in 12 yrs...))

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I wonder why Ruseful has not gone with their own merchant account? 23,000 Members you would think his volume would demand it.

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My guess is his 3rd party rates with that volume are pretty close to that of having his own MID without the customer service issues, fighting chargebacks, volatility of merchant accounts etc...

Just a guess though. I'm curious as well.

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bean-aid

Aren't you an affiliate? Why do you have your own MID's?

And saying CCBill is good, epoch is good, MID's are good, multiple MID's are good, all in the same sentence... well that's great. I for sure would not bill through a MID, then cascade to a third party biller... that's just me though.

And I am not selling merchant accounts. I'm sorry again... Damian is wrong. He said that JT posted a 50%+ drop in sales and he will believe anything he says, therefore adding bitcoins will kill sales.

That is what he's been saying all three pages and every single time, taking a stab at me. The fact that adding something to the join form killed sales must of been the way it was presented. Adding a billing option in itself will not kill sales, just do it right.

And me showing through an image 1 way it would not kill sales... and having Damian for 2 pages attack the *copyright* banner of epoch... is ridiculous. 1000 ways to skin a cat...

And in conclusion... I don't believe for 1 second the findings of JT and ruseful cash. It is absolute nonsense.

Ruseful

Actually, we are now in the midst of getting our own merchant account. Why have I left it this long? Many reasons...

My main objective from the beginning was to get to a magic number of "successful" sites in my network. I have that now. This now enables me to do what I set out to do when creating my company. Amongst many things, launch a tube.

The next step in the process is to get our own merchant account and to bring in the expertise we need. I had zero experience in running my own merchant account and saw this as a risk to my company and was more focused in the creation of new sites.

Processing with Epoch, Segpay and CCBill took away any billing headaches. I looked at their fee's, however high/low, as a cost of doing business. They take care of everything, and none of them have ever missed a payment. I have built up a very close relationship with all 3 companies and I have 100% trust in them. Quite simply, they are my friends.

Having my own merchant account will improve my already very healthy bottom line by a nice %. But until I was ready, I did not want the added risk to my company.

Not everyone will agree with how I have done it, but I am happy with the way I run my company.