Originally Posted by deltav (Post 19987624)

Yeah, just part of the East vs West tug of war that's been going on forever. I think when Yushchenko & Tymoshenko flamed out, Putin realized he was holding all the cards and hence you get this more aggressive policy that looks like it'll be successful in pulling Ukraine away from the EU.

Funny thing though - you hear all this pro-Ukraine protester rhetoric from many Americans, yet if there were a similar movement in Washington DC (the Occupy stuff doesn't hold a candle) where the protesters actively lobbied for regime change and actively fought back (and were partly supported by far-right ultranationalists like in Ukraine) - they'd be labelled terrorists and the Nat'l Guard would come down on them like holy hell and wipe them off the streets. And many of those Americans who support a "peaceful revolution" in Ukraine would be 100% behind that crackdown. We apply our standards where convenient.

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19987543)

Россия все инициировала. На вас кровь, падлы.
Maidan said it all, Russia is to blame, blood is on Putin.

Originally Posted by rogueteens (Post 19987582)

That ending was sickening - I really don't care what they say they are protesting about - all they really want is blood.

Originally Posted by oppoten (Post 19987631)

American ambassador apparently

Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 19987908)

This country needs new elections to quit the protests.

Let the people decide, see what the majority want.

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19987994)

They can't. Eastern Ukraine and Western Ukraine are two different nations with different traditions, history etc. For example, during WWII Western Ukrainians were fighting for Nazi and Eastern Ukrainians still remember that :2 cents:

http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/a..._Galichina.jpg

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19987887)

Oh yeah, blame Russia :)

Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 19988054)

This is about Ukrainians wanting to side with the West - specifically the European Union. They were headed that way until Putin gave the Ukraine leader (Yanukovich) a 'visit' ... then all of a sudden he did an about face and suddenly announced he was going with Russia. Then the protests started.

Of course it's Russia's fault.

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19987994)

They can't. Eastern Ukraine and Western Ukraine are two different nations with different traditions, history etc. For example, during WWII Western Ukrainians were fighting for Nazi and Eastern Ukrainians still remember that :2 cents:

http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/a..._Galichina.jpg

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19987883)

So Russia has started Euro-Maidain in Kiev? Are you sure? Ты не только бандеровец, ты еще и больной на всю голову дебил.

Originally Posted by PerfectGem (Post 19988075)

By the way, not the Kiev only. Many of other Ukrainian cities support this great protest. It's Ukraine now, actually!

Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 19988054)

This is about Ukrainians wanting to side with the West - specifically the European Union. They were headed that way until Putin gave the Ukraine leader (Yanukovich) a 'visit' ... then all of a sudden he did an about face and suddenly announced he was going with Russia. Then the protests started.

Of course it's Russia's fault.

Originally Posted by GregE (Post 19988031)

Well, when you consider that Stalin starved 3 to 5 million of them the death just eight years previous to the arrival of the Germans it's little wonder that the remaining population initially welcomed Hitler's rule. Unfortunately for them the Nazi's treated them like shit too..

Originally Posted by CAHEK (Post 19988297)

Volodymyr Porodko, deputy head of the Ukrainian Security Service, said weapons and ammunition have been stolen from the Ukrainian Security Service department in Ivano-Frankivsk.

"A total of 268 service pistols, two rifles, three assault rifles, 92 grenades, and some 15,000 cartridges were seized in the Ukrainian Security Service department in Ivano-Frankivsk," he said while meeting with foreign ambassadors in the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry on Wednesday.

:disgust:ak47::BangBang:

Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 19988054)

This is about Ukrainians wanting to side with the West - specifically the European Union. They were headed that way until Putin gave the Ukraine leader (Yanukovich) a 'visit' ... then all of a sudden he did an about face and suddenly announced he was going with Russia. Then the protests started.

Of course it's Russia's fault.

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 19988305)

actually Yanukovich offered so called ukrainian opposition prime minister function..and few others...why they didnt took it ? they want 100 % power even in such divided country ? not everyone in ukraine agress with what opposition/ protesters do...

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 19988305)

actually Yanukovich offered so called ukrainian opposition prime minister function..and few others...why they didnt took it ? they want 100 % power even in such divided country ? not everyone in ukraine agress with what opposition/ protesters do...

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19988309)

You don't talk to a dictator, dude, you make him go.
It's not a divided country, it's made up shit. Started by Yanukovitch.

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19988313)

only one opposition leader seems to have any pull with the protestors, and if he takes the position, he is a 'sell out'

safer remaining out of government, and see where all this goes, than losing the one 'official' leader of the opposition

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 19988321)

actually my question was kind of rhetoric ;-) anyway what you said says good about intentions of opposition - 100 % power for them and their friends, that thing that Yanukovicz has (had)

Originally Posted by GregE (Post 19988031)

Well, when you consider that Stalin starved 3 to 5 million of them the death.

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19988326)

1) Stalin is just a minute in a the history of Russian Ukraine (yes, Kiev was a first Russian capital city)
2) They were strawed not because of Georgian Stalin but because of their own Ukrainian fellow Vlas Chubar. Educate yourself.
3) Do you know how many people were died in other areas of the USSR during that time? Educate yourself again.

Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 19988054)

This is about Ukrainians wanting to side with the West - specifically the European Union.

Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 19988054)

Of course it's Russia's fault.

Originally Posted by Markul (Post 19988061)

Yup this

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19988327)

have you read the officer reports begging Stalin, or the real leader, 'Vlas Chubar', to stop? they describe the faces of the children as they died.

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 19988090)

as far as I can see, they are still doing it.

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19988126)

Fucked up pro-Putin moron, get the fuck out.

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 19988318)

not divided ? so why the protests are mostly only in western ukraine and kiev ? east of ukraine doesnt have problems with Russia and Yanukovicz...

Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 19988339)

The President and the Government should have resigned long time ago and scheduled new elections, that's the only way to defuse the tension and avoid the bloodshed.

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19988340)

Yes, Western Ukraine is still supporting Waffen-SS "veterans" :2 cents:

P.S. Nazi had no "job" when they invided Western Ukraine because all Jews were already killed by their fellow Western Ukrainian friends.

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 19988330)

What? Are you a Denmark citizen? Hope you're so proud to be an animal :disgust