Minte

This article and picture on Politco.com sums it all up well


But the anodyne English the Obama White House used in the usual frenzied run-up to Tuesday night?s speech seemed to have reached a new level of emptiness, owing more to Procter & Gamble than to Jefferson and Madison. ?A year of action.? ?Pen and phone.? ?Opportunity for All.? ?Rewarding Hard Work.? Such phrases evoke advertisements for ?new and improved? products no one needs, not meaningful articulation of policy or political belief. Perhaps the framers were wrong to include a single sentence in the Constitution stipulating that the president ?shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union.?

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/0...#ixzz2roMhdBY6

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Barefootsies

What is your point here exactly?

Yet another U.S. career politician used a bunch of buzz words to rile the rabble in his 'State of the Union' speech?

Is there something out of the ordinary that is different from any other year beyond him being a black guy?

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Enough Said.

"Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

bronco67

Did anyone else want to throw a tomato at John Boehner's smug face? They should block out his face next time.

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The clown suits...it's all about the clownsuits.

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Not surprised who started this thread.

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Oh yeah?

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that's a good read, sums up how the sotu has turned into a circus act over time.

JFK

thanks for pointing that out, would'nt have noticed it otherwise

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Rochard

So the President used buzz words to make some new promises that he most likely won't keep. Surprise, surprise, surprise. Nothing new here.

Meanwhile, A Republican threatens to throw a reporter off a balcony and then threatens to "break him in half" WHILE ON CAMERA. Sweet.

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Sly

Right. When Obama looks silly, deflect. When he looks great or is preparing to take credit for something that he doesn't deserve credit for, give him all the attention in the world.

This is how they did it in Rome, this is how we should do it today. I can't wait for the Games to begin.

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I'm holding my breath waiting for Robbie to come and tell you are biased because you single out Obama for doing the same thing every other politician in the world does.. I kid I kid..

Minte

You didn't watch it, did you.

If you would've you would relate to the Politco story and cartoon.

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Minte

You just looked at the cartoon. You didn't watch last night or read the actual article.

Typical.

For reference, the clown on the right is NOT a democrat.
edit..it would've been great theater if the republican would've thrown the guy off the roof.

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2MuchMark

I thought punk John Boehner was going to cry when Obama recognized his roots (son of a bartender). I thought that gesture was nice though. Obama didn't have to do it at all considering all the disrespect and shit Boehner tosses at Obama every day.

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nico-t

not sure what's different here than all the others. They're all clowns and puppets blabbing nonsense.

nico-t

what does the party he represents matter? They are all the same.

crockett

Umm yea sure they are all corrupt but clearly Republicans have long ago cornered the market on crazy.

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TampaToker

Well hell i thought the speech was good. I could not stop laughing at the Republican response when it was playing.

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guess you dont have xbox or cable tv turn it over to channel 8

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Just wait..

Relentless

The speech was exactly what the last 20 of them have been. A complete waste of time.

The more interesting thing is the number of Republican 'official responses'
The GOP strength was always speaking with one voice and reciting the same talking points.
Now the GOP is a bus with a few passengers and a dozen people claiming to be the driver.

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why do you care who is president when you have only 2 choice

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2 choices? Who has 2 choices?
Both 'choices' are prepaid and funded by the exact same people.

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tony286

I had read confirmations of supreme court justices wasnt the show it is today until they added tv cameras in.Its the same thing with SOTU.

Evil Chris

LOL @ American politics.

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i was thinking this the entire speech.

GAMEFINEST

John Boehner needs to go..

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CDSmith

Minte, ever thought about running for office?

If you did you'd quickly come to realize the worth of pandering to the lowest common denominator. :D

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bronco67

I always watch Obama's speeches on FOX, so I can listen to those idiots afterwards misrepresent everything the guy just said, and turn what sound like pretty positive sounding messages into the end of America. It's just entertaining for me and I like seeing their pain.

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Rochard

In fact, I did not watch the State Of The Union. I was in transit that night.

But at a certain point it's irrevalent. The State Of The Union speech is the same no matter who gives it - It talks about past accomplishments, future hopes and plans, and of course some exaggerations. The Democrats hear what they want to hear and the Republicans hear what they want to hear; They all hear the same exact speech yet walk away with something totally different.

Our best bet is to ignore the speech and then read the results the day after. His prior speech had an overall 53% approval rating, where as this one the other night had a 44%. That says a lot.

What did his speech say? That he's tired of fucking around with Congress? Congress has the lowest approval rating in my lifetime, isn't getting anything done when we need them the most, and instead is putting all of their effort into fighting a bill that is already a law. Come on already, stop playing fucking games.

When you aren't a Republican or a Democrat, you don't see things from one point of view - and it's fucking funny. Republicans keep complaining - Republicans are complaining that a Democratic president can't fix a Republican problem with a Republican Congress. Really? Meant time, unemployment is down to 6.7% and dropping, and just yesterday there was a report that our economy grew 3.4% last quarter alone. Who do you think you are fooling?

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crockett

Themselves..

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Robbie

Here I am!

I'd say that Pres. Obama actually had a lot of us believing he would be different in 2008. I guess myself and many in this country were actually wanting "hope and change".

It's turned out completely the opposite.

I was listening to a radio show here in Vegas that comes on in the afternoon yesterday. It's hosted by a guy named Ken Wahl. It's called "Live And Local".
He pointed out that Obama's State Of The Union speech drew 4 million less viewers than George Bush's SOTU at the lowest point of his popularity (the 2008 State Of The Union Address)

Pres. Obama's job approval ratings are now the lowest of any Pres. since Richard Nixon during the Watergate Scandal.

And this morning, I was watching the "conservative" show on MSNBC: Morning Joe
They were ripping on the SOTU.
Saying that after a "disastrous" 2013, that America had "Obama Fatigue" and that it was pretty obvious that his presidency is pretty much over.

The only hope they had for him was that they said that in the last year or two, a Pres. will get ambitious because they have nothing to lose and will go all out and actually get things done.

I'm thinking that didn't work out for our last 2 Presidents. Both Bush and Clinton had really strong 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th years in office. But the 7th and 8th years left them both as damaged goods (remember, Al Gore wouldn't even let Clinton campaign for him because of his unpopularity in 2000...hard to believe now).

Since Obama hasn't even had ONE great year in his Presidency...it ain't looking good for him to finish strong in my opinion.

And a lot of the problems he is facing are from his ego. He really thinks he can just do as he pleases and people have to fall in line. He doesn't even try to compromise.

One pundit said something like: Compare the tone of George Washington's State of The Union address where the whole idea was that he was NOT a "king" and that the branches of govt. were equal under the constitution to what Obama is saying about taking "unilateral" action and how he has a pen and a phone.

There is also a new poll showing that Obama is the most DIVISIVE President in modern history.

This is hardly what I voted for back in 2008.

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crockett

See I never bought all the "change" BS hence the reason I don't feel like I was lied to.

I voted for Obama strictly because of Bush's failure in both the Iraq war and Afghan war. Both McCain and Romney promised more of the same and planed to extend the Iraq war even longer. Had either of those two been voted into office, you can bet your ass we would have troops in Syria or Iran.

Obama did what he promised with both wars and he put the focus back on fighting the war on terror. I don't think he's been perfect in doing this, but he has done 100% better than the Bush admin did.

Overal I think US policy is wrong and we do bad things around the world that cause much of our problems, but that's not just a Obama issue.. It's a policy issue that allows the CIA and Jsoc to run amok.

As far as the economy Obama wasn't perfect but the economy is doing better than it would have with Mitt or McCain. Both would have tried to push the same failed approach that is killing this country and they would of made it worse.

Simply put I don't vote so much in support of the Democrats, but more so to keep the right from fucking up the country even more. If you believe what any politician says then you are setting yourself up for a let down.

Robbie

I can see your point crockett.

I, unfortunately really thought that Obama was gonna be "different".

Then I realized I kinda thought that about Bill Clinton and George Bush too when they were first elected.
That's when I knew I was being a sucker for the two party system.

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Rochard

I love you Robbie. I really do.

You said Obama's approval ratings are now the lowest of any President since Nixon. In fact, the direct opposite is true. Obama's lowest approval rating, 38% (October 16 2011) is HIGHER than the lowest approval rating of ALL the Presidents since Nixon.

Bush, 25%, October 31, 2008
Clinton, 37%, May 26, 1993
Bush, 29%, July 31, 1992
Reagan, 35%, January 28, 1983
Carter, 28%, June 29, 1979
Ford, 37%, March 28, 1975
Nixon, 24%, August 2, 1974

And while I'm looking at stats, did you know that Obama's highest approval rating of 69% (January 22, 2009) is higher than Reagan's highest approval rating (May 16, 1986)?

(I am pulling my stats from Wikipedia.)

The more you repeat such lies, the more you'll believe them.

(Can I go back to work now?)

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crockett

Well I never liked Bush, it was a bad start with the election drama but I was willing to ride him out. Then 9/11 happened and gave him my support with Afghan, but he lost it the moment he started beating the war drums for Iraq. At that point I became very anti Bush. I was however a fan of Powell, right up until he stood in front of congress and lied for the Bush admin to help sell the Iraq war. Up until that point I thought he would be the first black president.

hottoddy

Gift of gab and hope and change can only go so far. Too bad he fooled so many for so long. Even many of his staunchest allies realize this one trick pony is played out. After several years of cyclical "dead cat bounce," we're heading deeper down the shitter in 2014.

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Rochard

Yeah, because he's been blowing smoke up our asses because things are so much worse now. I mean, un-fucking-employment is still way above ten percent and the economy is getting worse every month.

I'm not a Democrat, and I don't believe Obama is our savior. But open your eyes already. Things are A LOT better than they were when he first took office.

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Minte

I would only be interested in being a dictator. Pandering isn't my style

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Minte

It's been 5 years. What's left of the middle class is now making on average of $3500 less than they were in 2008 and across the board prices are higher.

Obamacare took all the steam out of a real recovery. Then along with that, all the rhetoric about redistribution of wealth has kept the economy at a low simmer. All business owners hear out of Washington is more tax. That drowns out anything positive.

Now it's we need to pay people more.

I don't hear a thing about working at leveling out the playing field with China.
Not a word about taxing imports at the same rate the Chinese do with what we sell there.

Price of a new Corvette in China- $245.000

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Rochard

And this is the problem. Eight years of a Republican White House not only brought the United States to it's nears and threatened to destroy us, but also took the rest of the world with us... And you think someone can fix this in five years?

Of course the middle class is making $3500 less. We went through the largest recession since the Great Depression.

You are blaming this on Obama. This is not Obama's fault. This happened before Obama.

This isn't a five year problem. It's a ten or twenty year problem. I know you didn't see this in your country club, but people lost their houses, their jobs, their businesses, their careers.

But that's fine, you keep blaming whomever you want.

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Robbie

You really don't read very carefully or else I'm not communicating simply enough for you.

I didn't say Obama's OVERALL rating. He was immensely popular when he was first elected for instance.

I'm talking about his approval rating NOW. The 20th quarter of his presidency.

Here are the numbers so even you can understand how tired people are becoming of his constant promises that never come true:

The LOWEST recorded 20th quarter belongs to Richard Nixon during the height of the Watergate scandal: 28%

GW Bush was dealing with Katrina and the backlash of the Iraq war in his 20th quarter.
Obama's 20th quarter approval rating is now tied with Bush's.

Clinton, Eisenhower, and Reagan all have approximately 60% approval ratings during their 20th quarter.

If Obama continues to spiral (which the State Of The Union address may add to), he will be eyeballing Nixon next on the list (only Pres. with 2 full terms can count because they are the only ones with a 20th quarter)

Yet, the President seems to think that he does no wrong. I think that egotistic attitude plus the healthcare debacle for most of the country is what is bringing him down fast...along with what you call "non-stories" like the IRS, NSA, and Benghazi.

When you have a President who campaigned on FIXING things like the IRS, NSA, and other non-transparent govt. shadiness...and then he proceeds to do even MORE than Bush...then people have a problem with that.

It makes him feel too slick and too much of a liar for the majority to accept anymore.

Also you again (ignorantly) babbled about Bush destroying the economy.

NO. That is not what happened no matter how big you make your fonts.

The housing market collapsed. CONGRESS (you know the lifetime/career politicians on both the Republican and Democrat side) passed bills during the Clinton administration that caused a giant housing bubble.

When that collapsed in 2008...THAT is what caused the banking crisis and the worldwide economic collapse.

The fact that you still seem to be ignorant of that, even though it's been pointed out to you over and over and over...says to me that you are just trolling again.
It's fucking annoying man. Why do you do that?

You seem to be a nice person in real life. But man, behind a keyboard you seem to take pleasure in playing childish games on a message board.

Oh well, whatever floats your boat I suppose.
But it's intellectually dishonest and makes you look foolish to me.

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Robbie

I think he does care about white people...white people on wall street.

But small business owners and the black community? He hasn't done anything for either.

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tony286

For once I agree with you. lol

tony286

William F Buckley once said what this country needs is a benevolent dictator with cancer. He may be right. lol

Rochard

You said (exactly):

Pres. Obama's job approval ratings are now the lowest of any Pres. since Richard Nixon during the Watergate Scandal.

And I said that Obama's LOWEST approval is still HIGHER than the lowest approval rating of ALL presidents since Nixon. What Obama's approval rating is RIGHT NOW is pretty irrevalent being as it's higher than his lowest approval rating, and it's going to be impossible for me to determine what the approval rating was for every president over the pasty forty years for a certain period - and why.

You are cherry picking your stats - "his approval rating this quarter is lower than all of the other presidents since Nixon" - but of course not one of those presidents had to deal with a recession of this size.

The truth is Obama's lowest approval rating is still higher than all of the lowest approval ratings of all other presidents, and Obama's highest approval rating is higher than Regan's highest.

You cherry picked your stats to try to make him look bad, and you made him look good.

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Rochard

I don't recall him ever mentioning the IRS or the NSA while campaigning.

But these are non stories.

The IRS targeted a group of people that have a history of lieing and hiding funds - They did their job. This is exactly what the IRS is tasked to do.

The NSA? This is a non story too. The NSA has been doing this for years - it started under Bush, not Obama; It's unlikely that Obama knew much about it. And on top of all of this, NOTHING the NSA has done has proven to be illegal.

Benghazi? I still don't understand what the issue is here? Is it because we failed to act quick enough? (We could have sent in a company of US Marines into a unknown combat situation, invading another country, and potentially starting a war.) Or was it that the White House didn't want to flame the fires by calling this a terrorist attack before having all of the information? Either way it's a non story.

All three of these - and the fast & furious bullshit - is nothing more than Republicans trying to make the President look bad.

Did Obama fail on some items? Is Obamacare turning out to be horrible? Sure, sure. That's the life of politics. But it could be a lot worse - We are be running with 12% unemployment and a shrinking economy....

Take a look at the past six years - Are we better off or worse off? The answer is pretty obvious.

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Robbie

You are trolling.

I said EXACTLY:
"I was listening to a radio show here in Vegas that comes on in the afternoon yesterday. It's hosted by a guy named Ken Wahl. It's called "Live And Local"."

Again...you are either acting like a troll or you just didn't think about what I said.

And then I talked about MSNBC's morning show and what they said.
I didn't "cherry pick" anything. Maybe Ken Wahl, and the MSNBC crew at Morning Joe did...or maybe you are cherry picking things that try to fit your trolling argument (or whatever you're trying to achieve by what you're typing).

As for your second bit of nonsense about "not recalling" Obama campaigning on the IRS or NSA...how fucking dumb do you want to pretend to be in this conversation Richard?
You know EXACTLY what I'm talking about when I said Obama campaigned to "fix" those TYPE of things in Washington.
His 2008 campaign was all about how bad Bush and about having an administration that did things in the shadows and pulled stunts by keeping the American people in fear. He was going to change that and have (I quote him): "The most transparent administration in history"

I'm putting you on "ignore" now. I enjoy talking to you in real life. But I just don't have time for this. And you don't have the ability to make me a "single thin dime" (stole that phrase from Obama).
So I'm gonna say goodbye to your online persona now.

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Minte

I don't hear a thing about working at leveling out the playing field with China.
Not a word about taxing imports at the same rate the Chinese do with what we sell there.

Price of a new Corvette in China- $245.000
http://jalopnik.com/the-new-corvette...ina-1135359468

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