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		 Shap, when will a majority of users be ready for 4k resolution video?  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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 X-art did it right and to be fair I don't believe their scenes cost them what it costs their competitors. Why? Because they are shooting it themselves. That imo is a HUGE advantage. It is the advantage that really gave Ftv a leg up years ago as well. When the owner is shooting his own content the costs change dramatically and competing against that is very hard (from a cost perspective). I don't feel any site can start up and spend an average of 9k per scene and break even. It would be one thing for Twistys or Nubiles to use their massive member engine to power a site like that up. But straight out of the gate the way X-Art did NO WAY. The numbers just don't add up imo.  | 
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	you still doing this? when you left twistys how many active affiliates would you say there were? (active as in getting a check/paxum payout at least once every few months)? also, the m&m store in london - thoughts? as a foreigner (i assume you're not from here originally?), stupid or worth a visit for any tourist in london?  | 
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 There is an additional cost of getting the best models first, but it is just a small part of the budget. Most of the agents (in the USA) will send me, Dean, Holly and the Hicks crew the great girls first because they know the brand new inexperienced girls with be treated well and made to look as good as possible. It is their way of easing them into the crazy industry. BTW I have a blog with lots of Behind The Scenes shots that show my lighting and camera setups www.nakedinla.com for anyone that is interested  | 
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 I love that camera dolly system. Who makes that one? I have a buddy with a jib and that thing is cool as hell to use. I noticed that it appears you are shooting from 6 to 10 feet away and using zoom to get the close shots? Is that what I should be doing shooting with DSLR? Back when I used vid cams I never used the zoom and just physically moved in close and back. Should I be changing up my shooting style and using the zoom more?  | 
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		 The reason I asked is because on your monitor it shows a close up shot from your "A" camera that looks to be about 10 feet back. Thanks for clarifying that. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
	
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	Same talent doing the same thing on the x-art rip off sites. Jumping on the wanna be film maker band wagon with DSLR's I have also noticed how producers are shooting many scenes with the same talent slight different location in the same house for PassionHD and Nubilesfilms. Who pays for the content PassionHD or Nubiles? Isn't that unethical? Seriously who wants to see the same guy fuck the same girls over and over in the same style shoots on every website? Absolutely no creativity and porn producers who think they can really direct. What a joke. The foreign content and models are far better than the American stuff. X-ART is the one and only original of this style. Period.  | 
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 Rip off and copy cat sites have been around forever in our biz and desperate times call for desperate measures. Truth is I don't ever remember a copy cat blowing up and becoming bigger than the original. Have any of you? Maybe i'm wrong. You are only in trouble if you have a great idea and a big company comes in and copies you. Then you are screwed. Even then it doesn't always work. Babes.com was supposed to ripoff xart how did that work out? I agree with you. But there is one important thing you are forgetting. Let's say I shoot a girl that x-art shoots for my site. It's a similar scene and similar end product. Yes it's the same but the member may not know that the other exists and wants to see that girl. I grew huge on non exclusive content because of that very reason. 200 sites all had the same content and we smoked them all because we delivered it differently and packaged it the right way not to mention we picked the right content  | 
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 Tough to say. I haven't been out of the biz for 3 years now and I haven't seen actual sales figures of any of the companies so I may not be the best to say. A few things I can say. There is so much porn being consumed for free that there is a greater and larger porn audience than ever before. The problem is (much like the app community) it's an audience that has been taught they don't have to pay to get decent quality and enormous quantity content. So bigger audience than ever but one that has the expectation that it should be free. To make money there will probably be two options. One have an outstanding product that is worth paying for or have a great sales hook and then rape the hell out of the credit card. One big problem I see is banking. Porn has always been an undesirable business for reputable banks. I can see the next few years being a very hard road to travel from a banking perspective. To be honest the banking hassles are one of the reasons the industry isn't as attractive to me as it once was.  | 
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 The message he's been pushing for the past 10 years is almost exactly everything we did to be successful. It may not work for all but my approach to business, this industry, treating customers and clients, dealing with the public was very similar. I appreciate where he's coming from. I know it works. As you said it clearly isn't for everyone. Doesn't work for everyone. But it worked for me and I like listening to where he thinks things are going now  | 
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		 Hey Shap, I have a tube site opportunity for you.  I am doing it anyway but with some investment it could become huge within a year.  Simply no other tube site is currently doing what I am planning. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
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		 I think you're way high now.  Whatever number of members Twistys had when you sold I am sure it's at most 30% of that number now.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
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 I flew to Las Vegas last month to open a business bank account. They happily opened it. I flew back and a week later it was closed. No reason given. Then I drove to Buffalo the morning of the historic snowstorm, making sure I didn't miss a day. Many banks were closed, but we were able to deal with 2 banks. One of them opened an account for us on the spot and we've had no problems so far. The other just got back to me today and said they were "sorry, but..." Now we have to go back to open a secondary account, because having only one is short sighted.  | 
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 Assume I own Twistys and you want my videos. I give them to you to cut and upload to the tubes. If you watermark them it should be with a domain/site that is entirely twistys based. If you want to work with me and my videos I'm all for that. But don't use my videos to then turn around and send your visitors to another site or even worse to a competitor. Use my content to sell my stuff and I think everyone (including the surfer) is happy.  | 
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 I would love some of your time to discuss this idea. Maybe you could give some direction, contacts, insights, etc. We would be willing to discuss % for this consultation, too. porn nerd cash AT Gmail if you would like to discuss. 
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		 i heard the figure closer to only 8000 active. that is,  no more the 8000 x $20/month average. there maybe 100,000 members that signup but not all year round. another words, no way a site gets 100,000 x $20 or $2 million per month. I actually was expecting 100,000 x $20 / month from top sites like brazzers and realitykings but i heard that is just not the case. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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 ie, $6 million gross monthly all year round?  | 
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