How was business for you in 2013?

[Shap]

How was business for you in 2013? Up, Down? Stable?

I know in the past the stock market was a good indicator of how well business did for us. Did that hold true in 2013?

PS if you are sharing your answer share what type of business you have as well ie Dating, cams, paysite, tube, etc

[Barefootsies]

Porn/Stable
Hosting/Growning
Mainstream/Growing

On the porn side, it's been pretty much heavy investment for 2 years. We should be launching some new stuff in the first quarter of this year, I am very excited. Web hosting continues to grow as we continue looking for niche markets. We have moved from a reseller business model into our own colo/equipment. Mainstream took a bit to get used to, but it's growing nicely all things considered.

All in all... no complaints.

[Pseudonymous]

Obviously growing, new sites grow much faster than old sites decline.

And the profit margin in solo is VERY good.

[Relentless]

Unfortunately the stock market is a good indicator of nothing. It is no longer tied to the economy in any meaningful way thanks to high frequency trading and speculators. Fortunately, on a personal level business was terrific in 2013 because a lot of adult clients came over to mainstream and several mainstream clients are getting into adult. Lots of opportunity for cross-overs. Hopefully 2014 is even better!

[HellOfaCock]

Up and down, more than every year...

[Klen]

As i posted in my time machine thread,it going down since 2011 aka appearance of google panda.But i belive this year could be finaly turnover.

[The Porn Nerd]

2013 was a year of massive change for me, changing from one brand to another (no easy feat), adding new sites and, scariest of all, raising my prices. So taking all that into consideration 2013 was my best year ever (having begun in Jan. 2009).

Net revenue was up 12%.
Rebills remain strong at 4-5 months (average in total members).
We gained 336 new (rebilling) Members this past year.
We zoomed past the Goal of 2000 total members (we offer non-recurring memberships, too)
Secured contracts for 3 major new projects coming in 2014.
Traffic to my main hub site www.pornnerdnetwork.com has tripled this year (due to the name/brand change).
Traffic to my overall Network rose 22%.
We gained 103 new affiliates this past year.
Payouts to affiliates rose by 20% this past year (due to the price increase and traffic increase).
Daily average sales rose by 15%.

The future's so bright I gotta wear shades. LOL

Oh - and did I mention I never, ever stop chooglin'?

[Klen]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

2013 was a year of massive change for me, changing from one brand to another (no easy feat), adding new sites and, scariest of all, raising my prices. So taking all that into consideration 2013 was my best year ever (having begun in Jan. 2009).

Net revenue was up 12%.
Rebills remain strong at 4-5 months (average in total members).
We gained 336 new (rebilling) Members this past year.
We zoomed past the Goal of 2000 total members (we offer non-recurring memberships, too)
Secured contracts for 3 major new projects coming in 2014.
Traffic to my main hub site www.pornnerdnetwork.com has tripled this year (due to the name/brand change).
Traffic to my overall Network rose 22%.
We gained 103 new affiliates this past year.
Payouts to affiliates rose by 20% this past year (due to the price increase and traffic increase).
Daily average sales rose by 15%.

The future's so bright I gotta wear shades. LOL

Oh - and did I mention I never, ever stop chooglin'?

You are annoying fuck,but never the less i will congratulate you on your success

[JFK]

Fuck Off Sellout!

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

You are annoying fuck,but never the less i will congratulate you on your success

Thank you but all success is relative. Compared to my Dreams (and other companies) I feel like my business is a failure. LOL Maybe that's why I work so hard.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Thank you but all success is relative. Compared to my Dreams (and other companies) I feel like my business is a failure. LOL Maybe that's why I work so hard.

Yes it depend on your expectations - if you can satisfy yourself with little,then you can be happy always no matter what is happening.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Yes it depend on your expectations - if you can satisfy yourself with little,then you can be happy always no matter what is happening.

Heh - here in America this is not always a good thing to be satisfied with little. A lot of fat, lazy idiots here are happy with a beer, a couch, a bag of chips and wrestling on tv all day long. LOL

[nikki99]

voted!

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

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Rebills remain strong at 4-5 months (average in total members).

Screencap that stat from CCBILL's admin because I don't believe it. I'll bet Shap's AVERAGE rebill duration per member on Twisty's wasn't 4-5 months when he sold it.

[spunky99]

2013 wasnt a good year in general nevermind the business

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Mutt

Screencap that stat from CCBILL's admin because I don't believe it. I'll bet Shap's AVERAGE rebill duration per member on Twisty's wasn't 4-5 months when he sold it.

Well, I can't "screencap it" as it was an average, derived from 1 month and 3 month rebills vs. non-recurring Members vs. last year's stats. LOL The actual number was 4.2 months, which included one-time only rebills from 3-month Memberships, so it depends on how you count it. I was looking at months alone, not actual rebills. Minus the above 3-month one-time rebill and we're looking at 3 months average for rebills. Whew, now I need a drink (I hate meth. I mean, math.)

What do you think Twisty's rebills were when Shap sold it? I would imagine they would be like 8-10 months, no?

PS: I'm also talking network-wide now, 32 paysites not one. So some sites rebill longer than others. I have 3 Members who have rebilled for 2.5 years. LOL

[Shap]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

2013 was a year of massive change for me, changing from one brand to another (no easy feat), adding new sites and, scariest of all, raising my prices. So taking all that into consideration 2013 was my best year ever (having begun in Jan. 2009).

Net revenue was up 12%.
Rebills remain strong at 4-5 months (average in total members).
We gained 336 new (rebilling) Members this past year.
We zoomed past the Goal of 2000 total members (we offer non-recurring memberships, too)
Secured contracts for 3 major new projects coming in 2014.
Traffic to my main hub site www.pornnerdnetwork.com has tripled this year (due to the name/brand change).
Traffic to my overall Network rose 22%.
We gained 103 new affiliates this past year.
Payouts to affiliates rose by 20% this past year (due to the price increase and traffic increase).
Daily average sales rose by 15%.

The future's so bright I gotta wear shades. LOL

Oh - and did I mention I never, ever stop chooglin'?

Well done! Those are no easy feats.

Btw what's chooglin?

[Shap]

Originally Posted by JFK

Fuck Off Sellout!

[Shap]

Originally Posted by Mutt

Screencap that stat from CCBILL's admin because I don't believe it. I'll bet Shap's AVERAGE rebill duration per member on Twisty's wasn't 4-5 months when he sold it.

You are right. I believe it may have been 2.5. I can't remember exactly.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by spunky99

2013 wasnt a good year in general nevermind the business

I know you had a rough one. Sorry to hear it. I'm sure 2014 will be better for you

[Brent 3dSexCash]

We are killing it doing interactive toys. Soon to launch interactive cams. I am glad adult is still a bit taboo. It keeps all the Harvard whiz kids that attend CES out of it.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Shap

Well done! Those are no easy feats.

Btw what's chooglin?

"Chooglin'" is southern American talk for rocking, rolling, going, moving, goin' 'bout yer biz, etc etc. I should post a YouTube video of CCR's "Chooglin'" (great song!).

But only 2.5 months for rebills with Twisty's? I thought it would've been higher. As I stated tho, for me with many sites, the 'averages' are a bit skewed. Rebills for my whales, my 3 best sites, the rebill ratio is 2-3 months.

[Rochard]

I moved over to dating, and half of our business is adult. However, we are new to the US market, so it's been pretty easy to keep up sales - which have been booming.

[EddyTheDog]

I only just realized I wasn't a charity for chronic masturbaters...

[C H R I S]

2013 has been outstanding - this year will be even better.

[Spunky]

2014 will definitely be much better

[ohjulien]

I see no real comments from porn promoters, when the big sites and things like tumblr
run the little guys out, Only outlaws will promote porn. . . ?

Dean, "Son OF a Bitch"

[mavruda]

Business ? I have no business yet - so yeah I was here for the sport ! :-)

[AllAboutCams]

Was up and down

[Roald]

I would say with FreeOnes business was stable. FreeOnes got hit hard by the panda updates but that did not really affect overall revenue much.

Payserve just had it's best month of the year this December so lets see if we can keep on going

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

....
What do you think Twisty's rebills were when Shap sold it? I would imagine they would be like 8-10 months, no?
...

You can not seriously believe this right?

Congrats on your numbers though, nice to see some growth

[adultchatpay]

2013 was better than 2012, business wise.
So i hope this coming 2014, all will be better.

[geedub]

Originally Posted by Roald

You can not seriously believe this right?

He does.

2013 was my best year yet.

[digitalfantasies]

we took some good panda slaps in the face in 2013.. it seems to be stable now.. we still lost but we'll survive... seo is dead

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Shap

You are right. I believe it may have been 2.5. I can't remember exactly.

Right, that was I thought. Even about 5 years ago when I talked to a pretty big paysite owner his target was 3 months. I assume 10-15 years ago it was 5-6 months average.

On my teen solo sites my goal is to hit 2 months on average, 60 dollars per average recurring monthly member, which I do hit, I think 2.2 is the highest I've had.

[arock10]

So it seems like paysites in 2013 did well but not a single affiliate survived 2013

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Mutt

Right, that was I thought. Even about 5 years ago when I talked to a pretty big paysite owner his target was 3 months. I assume 10-15 years ago it was 5-6 months average.

On my teen solo sites my goal is to hit 2 months on average, 60 dollars per average recurring monthly member, which I do hit, I think 2.2 is the highest I've had.

Sorry for the ignorant question but do you also offer one-time only memberships? That can skew rebills. In other words, if I ONLY offered rebilling Memberships (as some programs do) then I would imagine rebills would be stronger (tho refunds and chargebacks would be higher too?).

It's difficult to know exactly what a company does from outside looking in but I always assumed (the way people discuss it here on GFY) that some of the bigger paysites (like Twistys) had stronger rebills than 2.5 months.

Shit, now I'm thinking I'm happy to get ANY rebills! LOL

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Sorry for the ignorant question but do you also offer one-time only memberships? That can skew rebills. In other words, if I ONLY offered rebilling Memberships (as some programs do) then I would imagine rebills would be stronger (tho refunds and chargebacks would be higher too?).

It's difficult to know exactly what a company does from outside looking in but I always assumed (the way people discuss it here on GFY) that some of the bigger paysites (like Twistys) had stronger rebills than 2.5 months.

Shit, now I'm thinking I'm happy to get ANY rebills! LOL

I can answer this for him since we have similar customers. Ive offered both, its not a big difference whatsoever. The surfers still paying know how it all works, theyre much more educated and if they want one month, they'll only stay subscribed for a month

And then the increase in price for one time memberships evens out the very small difference so that your dollar value per member stays about the same.

[ErectMedia]

Income was good in 2013 but could have been better as I devoted most of my normal promotion time into expansion so 2014 should be much stronger as I added quite a few new niche sites. Just a couple more sites I'll build in 2014 mainstream/adult and then I should be able to revert back to full time promotion as the builds will all be complete until the next idea pops into my head.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

I can answer this for him since we have similar customers. Ive offered both, its not a big difference whatsoever. The surfers still paying know how it all works, theyre much more educated and if they want one month, they'll only stay subscribed for a month

And then the increase in price for one time memberships evens out the very small difference so that your dollar value per member stays about the same.

Interesting, thank you!

I've also noticed many people choose the lower price option then cancel right away so yes, surfers are smart. LOL

[CamsTraffic]

In 2013 we opened CamsTraffic, the only cams program that use PPC. In 2014 we bring the highest rates for cams related traffic.

[looky_lou]

As an affiliate with TGPs and Blogs my earnings were down 46.7%.

My biggest loss was my biggest sponsor ALS turning over their flagship site ALSScan to Met Art. Conversions plummeted immediately and have only been worse as time goes on. Everything I have tried to get sales back up after the change have failed to this point.

[Penny24Seven]

Originally Posted by Mutt

Right, that was I thought. Even about 5 years ago when I talked to a pretty big paysite owner his target was 3 months. I assume 10-15 years ago it was 5-6 months average.

On my teen solo sites my goal is to hit 2 months on average, 60 dollars per average recurring monthly member, which I do hit, I think 2.2 is the highest I've had.

Hey Mutt. I never agree with the Porn Nerd and what he comes up with. You are spot on with what I have seen.
Last year I had girls talking in chatrooms with members, doing fan sign and all kinds of shit and I was up to 2.5 and thought that was kick ass.
He is talking double that and is just making this shit up.
And three people who rebill for 2.5 years. Everyone has some of those.
Only way that shit is real is he is doing 10 joins a month and the stats would not work to compare anyway

[Shap]

Originally Posted by Mutt

Right, that was I thought. Even about 5 years ago when I talked to a pretty big paysite owner his target was 3 months. I assume 10-15 years ago it was 5-6 months average.

On my teen solo sites my goal is to hit 2 months on average, 60 dollars per average recurring monthly member, which I do hit, I think 2.2 is the highest I've had.

I've seen over the years everybody has a different way of calculating retention and average stay. I always liked using average $$$ per monthly member. Our rate worked out to be around $75 pretty steady the entire time too.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by looky_lou

As an affiliate with TGPs and Blogs my earnings were down 46.7%.

My biggest loss was my biggest sponsor ALS turning over their flagship site ALSScan to Met Art. Conversions plummeted immediately and have only been worse as time goes on. Everything I have tried to get sales back up after the change have failed to this point.

wow that's crazy. sorry to hear that

[looky_lou]

Originally Posted by Shap

wow that's crazy. sorry to hear that

Yeah, it sucks. Met Art took great content, made a better more modern design with better navigation etc., yet it has really tanked for me. The classic old school site was by far my biggest seller over many years.

Almost a year into the change and I make more off my continuing re-bills from the old ALSScan site than I do from new sales and re-bills combined on the new site through Met Art.

The biggest problem is, I don't think Met Art really cares. They seem to be happy just collecting email addresses with a free trial to spam more offers to the surfer. I was one of ALSScan's bigger affiliates and Met Art probably doesn't even know who I am, or care.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Brian837

Hey Mutt. I never agree with the Porn Nerd and what he comes up with. You are spot on with what I have seen.
Last year I had girls talking in chatrooms with members, doing fan sign and all kinds of shit and I was up to 2.5 and thought that was kick ass.
He is talking double that and is just making this shit up.
And three people who rebill for 2.5 years. Everyone has some of those.
Only way that shit is real is he is doing 10 joins a month and the stats would not work to compare anyway

You can disagree all you want but I don't need to make shit up. LOL I do just fine with the truth. I guess you missed the part where we're comparing 32 paysites and a Network vs. a single paysite? Or how, if we calculate the way Mutt and shap do, that my rebills are about 2-3 months? Maybe not since you're in cams? But whatever, you go and keep right on disagreein'.

Originally Posted by looky_lou

Yeah, it sucks. Met Art took great content, made a better more modern design with better navigation etc., yet it has really tanked for me. The classic old school site was by far my biggest seller over many years.

Almost a year into the change and I make more off my continuing re-bills from the old ALSScan site than I do from new sales and re-bills combined on the new site through Met Art.

The biggest problem is, I don't think Met Art really cares. They seem to be happy just collecting email addresses with a free trial to spam more offers to the surfer. I was one of ALSScan's bigger affiliates and Met Art probably doesn't even know who I am, or care.

That's surprising on one level and not at all on another. Surprising because Met-Art seems to have its shit together with fine content, tours, etc. But NOT surprising given that many times 'old school' designs have a following, and Members can be very loyal and not like change.

I think the longer a site has been online, and the more Members it has, the more reluctant you should be in changing the design, even in small ways. People visit so many sites these days that changing the design can just lead to confusion and people going "I like the old design better" and moving on. Sorry to hear that for you!

[gabe100]

Porn nerd it doesn't matter how many sites you have. A rebill rate is the same everywhere around.

But the way you're calculating it appears shady. You said it averages to a 4.2 and there is no way in hell you average that.

Next you say you calculate it like the rest? Lumping them all up is crazy. Doing for a true member value is nice but you always want to know where you stand with rebills.

Maybe it's because your run 32 whopping sites i don't know.






OP: Biz good in 2013 and off to an amazing start in 14 but today sucks. in other words. The same.

[sicone]

As an affiliate, my sales for 2013 tripled those of 2012. However to put that in some perspective, I also started putting effort back into my own sites this yr while most of them sat idle and untouched for 2012 and parts of 2011.

While it's not my place to speak for Duke and the Duke Dollars program, I can say that for myself and my projects/responsibilities within the company for 2012 was all good and the future is looking even sweeter.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by gabe100

Porn nerd it doesn't matter how many sites you have. A rebill rate is the same everywhere around.

But the way you're calculating it appears shady. You said it averages to a 4.2 and there is no way in hell you average that.

Next you say you calculate it like the rest? Lumping them all up is crazy. Doing for a true member value is nice but you always want to know where you stand with rebills.

Maybe it's because your run 32 whopping sites i don't know.

Well, we are talking averages here, and when you throw in # of months, 32 websites etc it 'skews' the numbers. 32 vs 1 site does matter. Let's say a Member to one site rebills for 3 months while another Member to a differant site rebills for 1 month. What does that average out to be? I calculate everything 'network-wide' not individual sites. Plus I offer 3 month memberships, too, so throwing in # of months probably wasn't the best way to calculate. LOL If you just look at how many times a Member rebills - any site, any length - then network-wide it's around 2-3.

Which, btw, is about 'standard' these days and another reason to be careful about how much time/resources/money you put into beefing up your Members Areas. If programs who update daily can't get above 2-3 rebills then what's the point? LOL

[gabe100]

Porn Nerd in the old days when someone was wrong they'd admit it.

i think what needs to happen here is admitting the original 4.2 is wrong and the revised around 2-3 is no damn vague... it could mean anything.

Just giving you a hard time. If you grew in 13 you did something right and congrats

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Well, we are talking averages here, and when you throw in # of months, 32 websites etc it 'skews' the numbers. 32 vs 1 site does matter. Let's say a Member to one site rebills for 3 months while another Member to a differant site rebills for 1 month. What does that average out to be? I calculate everything 'network-wide' not individual sites. Plus I offer 3 month memberships, too, so throwing in # of months probably wasn't the best way to calculate. LOL If you just look at how many times a Member rebills - any site, any length - then network-wide it's around 2-3.

Which, btw, is about 'standard' these days and another reason to be careful about how much time/resources/money you put into beefing up your Members Areas. If programs who update daily can't get above 2-3 rebills then what's the point? LOL