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Please ?like? me and ?like? my work ? I need love, money, power, and fame; and if you ?like? me and my work, I may obtain them? Now, all the ?likes? that I receive will bring me fame, and all the fame that I receive will bring me love, and all the love that I receive will bring me power, and all the power I receive will bring me money, and all the money I receive will bring me more fame, which will bring me more love - of me, which will bring me more power, which will bring me more money, which I will spend on more fame which will bring me more love ? of me, of course, and therefore more power (mine), and thus more money (also mine), until I disdain you ? You, such a little person now compared to me: Me - who now towers over you as I wield so much love, money, power, and fame? You? who? You who gave me a ?like?? Ha! Well, that is your problem?! You shouldn?t have ?liked? me or my work just because I asked you to! |
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why didn't they keep Shap on to run Twistys? who knows Twistys better than Shap? these tube builders know how to run a successful paysite all of a sudden? there was a long (couple weeks long) discussion on the other board between Fred, Fabio, and others about how manwin decimated the Playboy program. changed all the links, removed hundreds of galleries, and even removed many of the features on the paysites. how is any of that good for business? my only point is they killed a lot of good programs with their egos and idiocy. yea i know manwin deserves it, but the programs and their affiliates didn't deserve that death sentence. tubes aren't the only way they made a mess of the industry, but as you've said before, there will be (is) life after manwin. # |
Perhaps, the letter is just a bit poorly written.
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Anyone who works for Manwin will not receive sympathy from us.
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They make the choice of working with Manwin. BY CHOICE. There are other honest solutions. If I am not mistaken, you sold your company to this criminal organization, am I correct? BTW: I love Twistys! I just don't care for the new Twistys simply due to who now owns the program. But you my friend created an awesome site & program. Quote:
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I'm surprised about the employee's reaction since they are known to have overkilling benefits, and they have bonus on top of it.. They are spoiled...
Lately, I offered a really good salary to a good intermediate developer, I really liked the guy's attitude and I had a good chemistry with him. When he told me what they offered him, I couldn't believe that they laid-off so many people and now hiring with such benefits, hard to follow... And on the other hand, there is not a week that I'm not getting resumes from people that had worked, or are working there. And since the benefits are such high there, I didn't hire any, and most of them only can go to large companies if they want to keep the same kind of benefits. In business the bottom line is, the company is owned by the owners, you get paid to do a job, the day you're no longer happy, you have to leave. And if you stay and silently complain, you're doing worse then your boss. |
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Take him away in chains and make sure the ax blade is sharpened! |
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I bet the real rub was he didn't like what they served for the free breakfasts every day or the lunches. :winkwink:
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The employee makes a living by taking food out of our mouths and sending many of us into a tailspin and we're supposed to like it? |
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It is a big frigging traffic pump but you haven't figured how to get the sign ups flowing so you squeak away about how bad it is rather than figuring out how to take advantage of it for what it is worth. There are plenty of programs doing just fine. If you need an excuse for your tailspin, then you have no farther to look than the monitor in front of you. |
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Basically you can look at it like this. 1. They took everyone else's traffic. 2. It now filters through their site 3. But you can reclaim some of it back from them 4. ....where it now converts ten times worse than it did before. Gee. lucky us. |
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1. They became a surfer destination site just like Youtube did and yes they rode the line in how that was done but guess what Youtube did the same thing and got away with it too. Get the fuck over it already. The world changes. You either roll with it or figure a way out but bitching about it incessantly on GFY and Mike South ain't going to earn you a pickle with a sprinkle of salt. 2. Yeah so what? You have a problem with Filtering when there are literally MILLIONS of eyeballs to win over to your brand? Filtering is a good thing. Putting you up in front of millions of viewers is a good thing when you know how to profit from the exposure and filter out the buyers. Anyone that can't see that I am sorry should just look for another line of work plain and simple. 3. Reclaiming traffic? I helped generate the traffic by providing quality content. They helped by maintaining a high profile high traffic site. We worked together to create that and both profit from it. I claim that sounds like business. The only "re" about it is in "REasonable". 4. I convert universally on average across all our sites based on only tube traffic about 1:525 and three months back was about 1:750. I know people who do better and it makes me jealous and curse that we are not doing better. I know a lot more people that do way worse. Guess what? Boo fucking hoo. Make a better product. Be a better brand. Run a smarter business. Once again, endlessly hoping they will cease to exist or that we will all return to some false yesteryear that was just as fucked with piracy issues, maybe a different flavor, but an unwelcome cost of doing biz all the same, well, that is just plain counter productive in my opinion. btw, that Iraqi Joe image works just as effectively as a meme for all the people trying to say why business is bad and Manwhatever is to blame. Only instead of American tanks rolling in the background there are customer sales rolling in while the "Manwin is the scourge" propaganda is rolled out oblivious of the opportunity behind them. |
The image of the Iraqi foreign minister is right on point. Pretty much the whole world knows the deal with porn. It's free. And now even the big tubes obviously are having troubles. But as the Iraqi Foreign Minister might say: "This is all lies! Mindgeek is preparing to buy Google as we speak!" :1orglaugh
There is no point in arguing over what is now obvious. At least not for me. All the Bros in the world couldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again... |
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No one stepped forward, no one can do that anymore. Why did ARS close? They were on top of the world, Marc De was posting his beautiful exotic cars, one after another after another. Hell ARS was offering health insurance. Where thats now? Wheres AllPetite? CuteGirlfriend? Fantastic Facials? Pink Chocolate? Wheres TopBucks with their huge list of sites? Very very successful people who left. If that's not a tailspin I don't know what is. |
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There are still programs doing perfectly fine these days. Is it as easy as before? No of course not. |
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Think at this: in GFY there are more bitcoin threads than manwin/mindgeek threads.
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There are still affiliates out there. Porn Nerd says he just added over a 100 in a month. Doesn't sound like he is having a tough time finding them. Most of those sites you mention don't stand out as brands at all and the content was the same stuff you could find anywhere else. I am not surprised at all they are gone. None of those programs with a bazillion sites focused on brand or user experience. They just kept pumping out cookie cutter sites with zero personality but lots of hollow hype chasing the next big niche and throwing big ridiculous parties to try and find more webmasters. You have zero clue why ARS and all the old school programs failed and just assume it had to do with tubes. I think their failure had more to do with an unsustainable business model that was focused on an unprofitable approach to traffic through webmasters. They used to "take from Peter to pay Paul" and that is always going to have an issue if there are not enough new Paul's to pay Peter. That and a lack of attention to user experience was a quicker path to their demise I know for a fact. |
I'm sure Marc De is doing just fine, he shifted his focus into the video game sector from what I recall. He had a good run, no one can fault him for shifting from one industry to another.
One of the main people from the ARS boom stayed in the game, is growing every year and doing mighty fine. That's how that Pimp Rolls;-) |
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When shopping for new office space, we were shown their old building/offices as one of the potential locations. It was neat I must admit. They had a whole green room small studio, and control room. I want to say it was like 5000 plus square feet. Now they moved to new digs along the highway with naming rights on a fairly decent sized new office building. He's obviously not hurting for money and doing very well from the looks of it. |
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http://www.free-sexvideos.org Getting new affiliates isn't really the issue. It's getting affiliates that will actually send traffic consistently. Today, affs are so squeezed that they signup for a Program, give it a shot for a week or less, sometimes a little more, and if sales don't flow in right away they move on to another Program. I can understand this, of course, but sometimes it takes a while for sales to flow and adjustments need to be made. The days of throwing up a video on a Blog and getting mad sales are over. Quality of affiliates is key, and the ability to interact and work with them is even more important. Many affiliates simply sign up for a zillion Programs and throw shit at a wall to see what sticks. Instead, new affs should contact the Program they just signed up for and work with that Program to maximize sales. Build a relationship, etc. This year I am taking the initiative and contacting affiliates myself via weekly emails/updates. But another factor is what kind of Program you are running. We are CCBill and many 'whales' won't touch anything that's not PPS (or anything that's CCBill) so this is limiting. Then again, those who use NATS and do the PPS game have their own problems, too. LOL |
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There are still programs making bank and there are still programs that will explode. Businesses will thrive as others go extinct. What else is the big deal? That mythical golden age that people keep yapping about? Well some people made "easy" money but many more could never make more than enough for a six pack of beer. And guess what? They complained that TGPs were giving away too much for free. Sound familiar? |
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That's like comparing giving away a small food sample at the mall food courts with people stealing all of your food and using it to open a restaurant that gives away your food for free. So yeah, fuck that employee who is complaining about their Christmas bonus. |
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People who complain about how the good old times passed by have to realize that past profit margins were simply unsustainable because they were too good to be true. A 'reversion to the mean' happens in about every industry, especially those with low barriers to entry.
I'd say profit margins in adult have normalized tremendously over the last 10 years but in reality they're still pretty good when compared to brick and mortar businesses. When affiliates complain they can't make $100k a year by working 6 hours a week then have they checked what it takes to make the same amount of money in MLM, insurance or real estate brokerage? Insurance agents blame online insurance comparison sites for the demise of their profit margins, travel agents blame Expedia, real estate brokers blame Zillow. Adult affiliates blame Manwin. |
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