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Read it like any other thread where a content owner is crying over content being stolen by manwin.... only difference is, this guy helped ruin the industry, and now he is surprised he is in line to be fucked.... nope, i can not feel sorry for you.
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Go work somewhere else. Its not like he/she works for fortune 500 company.
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hAPPYY XMAS :)
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My holiday bonus was that come the day after christmas, I still have my job.
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While Im at it I may as well expand on it so the Manwin apologists have something to feel self righteous about.
If read correctly and combined with other stuff that has come out about Manwin/MindGeek the letter from the employees yesterday paints a pretty grim picture of MindGeek as a company. They had lots of layoffs (M100) back a couple months ago, more are coming, bonuses were withheld (except for course for management) Hours have been extended and of course we know more layoffs are coming. But it isn’t just Manwin Corporate, look at the porn properties they have purchased. Playboy radio went from being a Sirius/XM Radio station to an internet radio station with a skeleton staff and no listeners. Digital Playground once rivaled Vivid and Wicked for high end productions now they rival Brazzers at best. The company was gutted and high end features like “Pirates” and “Pirates 2″ are a thing of the past there. They continually shoot in L.A. County without condoms and are asking for trouble from that. most of the contract girls are gone and the ones that remain aren’t shooting to speak of. I’m told Jesse Jane hasnt shot since June or so. (that could be wrong but the point is she isnt shooting monthly like she was) The quality (and the memberships) at Twistys has taken a dive and other Manwin Properties are just sitting around undeveloped. The one area that still makes them money is Tubesites and they are now moving those to Hong Kong, at one time Hong Kong was a haven for pirate sites but that isn’t so much true anymore. The one thing Manwin does do is the old shell game, they are constantly moving companies around in and out of other countries presumably to avoid prosecution, but it’s just a matter of time until this catches up with them i expect. The redtube merger provided some much needed cash, but what happens when they burn through that too? |
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The problem I have with Mind Geek is the problem I have with many major corporations. I have friends who work there and so I worry for them, for their future, but like with many such corporate entities the mid-level or lower-level employees rarely, if ever, know what's really going on in upper management. In fact, I'm guessing much of "upper-management" doesn't know what the heck is really really going on half the time. Corporations do what they have to do to survive, grow, dominate and exploit, regardless if it's Mind Geek or Wal-Mart. It's the problem I have with every giant money-eating machine. LOL I do hope there's room still, in the future, for "little guys" like me. I don't want to be gobbled up or run over by the steamroller that is Corporate Earth. Oh yeah - Peace On Earth, Good Will Towards Man and all that shite. :smilie_we |
I think when it all shakes out what we will see in hindsight is a Manwin implosion that isnt unlike so many others that have happened in adult internet. They came into a lot of money so they started swinging their dicks around and ended up getting into too many things they didn't know enough about.
If you take piracy and tubesites out of the equation would anyone actually look at them and say that they have been successful? I even believe that the piracy/tubesite run is going to shakeout from here hopefully the whole Manwin bubble will burst and take all of the Manwin associated parasites with it leaving a vacuum that can be filled by good honest pornographers. Thats my Christmas wish anyway... |
maybe he should just find a new job if he dont like it.. ohh wait if he did that then poor Mike would have nothing to write about
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And for the record I am not a Manwin apologist, I am a Manwin "notgiveafuckist" since I know how to make money in the post Manwinacopolyst |
I'm going to rate this thread as a one star. let's step it up people or I'm not going to give out any bonus stars this year for Christmas!
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You work for thieves and assholes. I hope your work life is as miserable as possible with reductions in benefits, lower pay, no job security. Merry Christmas!
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If your revenue did not get smaller it does not mean that did not affect your business it means that you worked smarter to sustain the revenue. And with same amount of smart work and without tubes you would have made even more. Bottom line you would have made more than you actually made if manthief tubes did not happen. Thats as simple as it gets and its delusional to try denying it. |
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Can you post a full size pic of your avatar? I want to see that close up. :winkwink: |
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Please ?like? me and ?like? my work ? I need love, money, power, and fame; and if you ?like? me and my work, I may obtain them? Now, all the ?likes? that I receive will bring me fame, and all the fame that I receive will bring me love, and all the love that I receive will bring me power, and all the power I receive will bring me money, and all the money I receive will bring me more fame, which will bring me more love - of me, which will bring me more power, which will bring me more money, which I will spend on more fame which will bring me more love ? of me, of course, and therefore more power (mine), and thus more money (also mine), until I disdain you ? You, such a little person now compared to me: Me - who now towers over you as I wield so much love, money, power, and fame? You? who? You who gave me a ?like?? Ha! Well, that is your problem?! You shouldn?t have ?liked? me or my work just because I asked you to! |
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why didn't they keep Shap on to run Twistys? who knows Twistys better than Shap? these tube builders know how to run a successful paysite all of a sudden? there was a long (couple weeks long) discussion on the other board between Fred, Fabio, and others about how manwin decimated the Playboy program. changed all the links, removed hundreds of galleries, and even removed many of the features on the paysites. how is any of that good for business? my only point is they killed a lot of good programs with their egos and idiocy. yea i know manwin deserves it, but the programs and their affiliates didn't deserve that death sentence. tubes aren't the only way they made a mess of the industry, but as you've said before, there will be (is) life after manwin. # |
Perhaps, the letter is just a bit poorly written.
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Anyone who works for Manwin will not receive sympathy from us.
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They make the choice of working with Manwin. BY CHOICE. There are other honest solutions. If I am not mistaken, you sold your company to this criminal organization, am I correct? BTW: I love Twistys! I just don't care for the new Twistys simply due to who now owns the program. But you my friend created an awesome site & program. Quote:
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I'm surprised about the employee's reaction since they are known to have overkilling benefits, and they have bonus on top of it.. They are spoiled...
Lately, I offered a really good salary to a good intermediate developer, I really liked the guy's attitude and I had a good chemistry with him. When he told me what they offered him, I couldn't believe that they laid-off so many people and now hiring with such benefits, hard to follow... And on the other hand, there is not a week that I'm not getting resumes from people that had worked, or are working there. And since the benefits are such high there, I didn't hire any, and most of them only can go to large companies if they want to keep the same kind of benefits. In business the bottom line is, the company is owned by the owners, you get paid to do a job, the day you're no longer happy, you have to leave. And if you stay and silently complain, you're doing worse then your boss. |
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I bet the real rub was he didn't like what they served for the free breakfasts every day or the lunches. :winkwink:
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The employee makes a living by taking food out of our mouths and sending many of us into a tailspin and we're supposed to like it? |
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It is a big frigging traffic pump but you haven't figured how to get the sign ups flowing so you squeak away about how bad it is rather than figuring out how to take advantage of it for what it is worth. There are plenty of programs doing just fine. If you need an excuse for your tailspin, then you have no farther to look than the monitor in front of you. |
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Basically you can look at it like this. 1. They took everyone else's traffic. 2. It now filters through their site 3. But you can reclaim some of it back from them 4. ....where it now converts ten times worse than it did before. Gee. lucky us. |
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1. They became a surfer destination site just like Youtube did and yes they rode the line in how that was done but guess what Youtube did the same thing and got away with it too. Get the fuck over it already. The world changes. You either roll with it or figure a way out but bitching about it incessantly on GFY and Mike South ain't going to earn you a pickle with a sprinkle of salt. 2. Yeah so what? You have a problem with Filtering when there are literally MILLIONS of eyeballs to win over to your brand? Filtering is a good thing. Putting you up in front of millions of viewers is a good thing when you know how to profit from the exposure and filter out the buyers. Anyone that can't see that I am sorry should just look for another line of work plain and simple. 3. Reclaiming traffic? I helped generate the traffic by providing quality content. They helped by maintaining a high profile high traffic site. We worked together to create that and both profit from it. I claim that sounds like business. The only "re" about it is in "REasonable". 4. I convert universally on average across all our sites based on only tube traffic about 1:525 and three months back was about 1:750. I know people who do better and it makes me jealous and curse that we are not doing better. I know a lot more people that do way worse. Guess what? Boo fucking hoo. Make a better product. Be a better brand. Run a smarter business. Once again, endlessly hoping they will cease to exist or that we will all return to some false yesteryear that was just as fucked with piracy issues, maybe a different flavor, but an unwelcome cost of doing biz all the same, well, that is just plain counter productive in my opinion. btw, that Iraqi Joe image works just as effectively as a meme for all the people trying to say why business is bad and Manwhatever is to blame. Only instead of American tanks rolling in the background there are customer sales rolling in while the "Manwin is the scourge" propaganda is rolled out oblivious of the opportunity behind them. |
The image of the Iraqi foreign minister is right on point. Pretty much the whole world knows the deal with porn. It's free. And now even the big tubes obviously are having troubles. But as the Iraqi Foreign Minister might say: "This is all lies! Mindgeek is preparing to buy Google as we speak!" :1orglaugh
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No one stepped forward, no one can do that anymore. Why did ARS close? They were on top of the world, Marc De was posting his beautiful exotic cars, one after another after another. Hell ARS was offering health insurance. Where thats now? Wheres AllPetite? CuteGirlfriend? Fantastic Facials? Pink Chocolate? Wheres TopBucks with their huge list of sites? Very very successful people who left. If that's not a tailspin I don't know what is. |
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Think at this: in GFY there are more bitcoin threads than manwin/mindgeek threads.
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There are still affiliates out there. Porn Nerd says he just added over a 100 in a month. Doesn't sound like he is having a tough time finding them. Most of those sites you mention don't stand out as brands at all and the content was the same stuff you could find anywhere else. I am not surprised at all they are gone. None of those programs with a bazillion sites focused on brand or user experience. They just kept pumping out cookie cutter sites with zero personality but lots of hollow hype chasing the next big niche and throwing big ridiculous parties to try and find more webmasters. You have zero clue why ARS and all the old school programs failed and just assume it had to do with tubes. I think their failure had more to do with an unsustainable business model that was focused on an unprofitable approach to traffic through webmasters. They used to "take from Peter to pay Paul" and that is always going to have an issue if there are not enough new Paul's to pay Peter. That and a lack of attention to user experience was a quicker path to their demise I know for a fact. |
I'm sure Marc De is doing just fine, he shifted his focus into the video game sector from what I recall. He had a good run, no one can fault him for shifting from one industry to another.
One of the main people from the ARS boom stayed in the game, is growing every year and doing mighty fine. That's how that Pimp Rolls;-) |
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When shopping for new office space, we were shown their old building/offices as one of the potential locations. It was neat I must admit. They had a whole green room small studio, and control room. I want to say it was like 5000 plus square feet. Now they moved to new digs along the highway with naming rights on a fairly decent sized new office building. He's obviously not hurting for money and doing very well from the looks of it. |
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