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No, but you must. Since you sit on your high horse and poo poo on every decision that was made in the cold war. A war we won btw.

If you had your way, all of europe and asia would be communist.

Can you tell me what exactly is wrong with being a communist?

Are you under the illusion you live in a democracy?

Perhaps its not registering because you're not making sense.

Nice dodge from providing any of the evidence I asked you for.

I'm just saying Australia supported your sorry fucking imperialist arse when you asked. There aren't many Australians who think your country would do the same for us.

And no, I don't like communism. However, I think Marxist principles have some value in the third world.

Good god, every heard of Yahoo and some common fucking sense?

http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq2.html#6

Do you speak Japanese?

What evidence do you want?

What sources would you deem acceptable?

Maybe you should just go to www.google.com and type in "the rise of the Taliban" and go from there. You do have a brain don't you? Now off you go like a good boy and do your own research.

I live in a Constitutional Judicial Democratic Confederate Republic - or something like that. You?

Oh shit, here comes Colin.

We fought the Japanese just as hard as you did in World War 2. We were bombed by the Japanese. We had Japanese midget submarines in Sydney Harbour.

Maybe you should scrub up on your modern history?

Nice try, but that article doesn't really support his claim that the US was giving tons of money to the Taliban between 1996 and 2001. In fact it seems to say that support started to dry up in 1996.

For those that don't understand American pornographers that vote Republican, it is because of economic philosophy, not social.

You can see from the following that nearly all of us are libertarian in social views.

Most Libertarian
-8.82 cluck
-8.51 DannyC
-6.51 Lily
-6.41 Gutterboy
-5.59 DJSap
-5.28 scoreman
-5.23 JoeSixpack
-5.18 titmowse
-4.87 Colin
-4.87 tygergoddess
-4.77 imJason
-4.62 freeadultcontent
-4.46 Thumbelina
-4.41 DarkBob
-4.31 MonkeyMan
-4.15 Butrflied
-4.10 HOAX
-4.10 ThePornDude
-4.00 Schwick
-3.49 JeremySF
-3.44 Voodoo
-3.28 smack
-3.28 Shianna
-3.23 galleryseek
-3.13 steffie
-3.08 JFK
-2.97 tala
-2.92 Wilbo
-2.77 DyannaDoes
-2.67 LudeDude
-1.90 TeenGodFather
-1.69 JennyFromTheBlock
-1.44 Troels
-1.28 FatPad
-0.56 SCJason
-0.05 dantheman
0.00 12clicks
0.15 MissNovette
0.56 SweetT
0.72 genomega
0.97 DX
1.64 rooster

Much more split on economic views:

Most Right Economically
6.62 SweetT
4.50 DJSap
3.50 genomega
3.25 rooster
3.0 JeremySF
3.00 12clicks
2.75 Troels
2.25 LudeDude
2.25 Colin
2.12 DyannaDoes
1.88 steffie
1.75 MissNovette
1.75 FatPad
1.62 SCJason
0.25 DX
0.12 dantheman
-0.25 Wilbo
-0.75 tala
-1.88 DarkBob
-2.00 galleryseek
-2.00 Shianna
-2.12 scoreman
-2.25 Thumbelina
-2.62 freeadultcontent
-2.62 TeenGodFather
-2.88 ThePornDude
-2.88 tygergoddess
-3.25 imJason
-3.75 Voodoo
-3.75 smack
-4.25 Butrflied
-4.38 HOAX
-4.50 Lily
-4.75 Schwick
-4.75 MonkeyMan
-5.00 JennyFromTheBlock
-5.00 Gutterboy
-5.12 JFK
-5.62 JoeSixpack
-5.62 titmowse
-7.75 cluck
-7.88 DannyC

At least some of those on the right economically vote Republican.

You can obtain info for the test that produced these results here:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=112596

It's 6 am here - too early to try and make me your bitch. Let me have a cup of coffee first.

Gee, you're awfully defenisive about that that request I made. I don't think the way I asked for it was particularly confrontational. I was curious where you learned what you had asserted. Where did I say that ANY source would not be acceptable? You made the statement so the onus falls upon you to back it up (atleast to some meager degree).

"Can you tell me what exactly is wrong with being a communist? "

Other than it has pretty much failed. And most people that still live under communist regimes would probably not be sad to see it go.


"Are you under the illusion you live in a democracy?"


We have a bastardized socialism. True socilism cant work here because when it comes down to it, most people dont want it. The only way for socialism to work is to keep it efficient and hold people accountable for their actions, and that will never happen.

And people here would never go for facism because they are so used to having pretty broad freedom. And political views are too evenly split.

I think you give the smacktards on here more credit than you should.

The vast vast majority of the neo-patriots on here are just towing the party line and wouldnt know the difference between political parties and ideologies if you gave them a basic poli sci quiz.

Case in point, asking if someone is a communist because they dont agree with American imperialism. Is it the 1950s?

Joe,

Totally right about that, man. The US should have stepped up on East Timor. [We agreed for once.] Understandable why Australians would feel that way.

That and Fox and Friends is on now, cant concentrate... must soak in the mornings propaganda.

I never said you didn't fight the Japanese. You asked when the US had helped Australia. I'm not saying that the US "saved Australia" all by itself, don't put words in my mouth.

Please give me a full report.

Well all you said was "Do you speak Japanese?"

Not very specific was it? As far as I was concerned the implication was: "We saved your arse!"

In defense of Joe Sixpack and any other Australian that views or replies to this thread: No Australian citizen get's a single dollar from the US for nothing, so don't go with the "we give everyone money" BS.

The only thing we know about America is your television shows, some of your companies investing into Australian business' (which make news at times) and the odd tourist that comes from America to visit our country.

The one thing that is self evident, is that you (US citizens that have not travelled outside the US) are very ignorant to how the world outside the US is, because your media only talks about specific things directly related to America.

I don't know if that is healthy for America, as it leads to a lot of confusion by many US born citizens when relating to; and having conversations about anything global. For the most part to be in America, you have to be an American.

Where as, to live in Australia, it's totally fine that you're foreign, as our country has so many ethnic and non ethnic groups. Our mainstream media regularly shows stuff that relate to all people, so I think because of this, we're generally better informed.

The implication was we saved each others asses.

Well I can agree with that.

Look, their hugging.

A known thread-killer.

You're right to a degree, news coverage in the US is very US focused. I've never been to Australia so I really can't comment on the news coverage there, however I have spent 4 years living in Canada. News here isn't really any more balanced. We get Canadian news with the addition of US news. There isn't more coverage of Africa, Asia, Australia, Europe or South American than in the US.

You seem to need a hug... but I don't do them. Sorry.

FYI:

Australian output is $24 billion per million people
US output is $37 billion per million people

Pretty big difference -- looking at it this way brings it into a bit more perspective, although money begets money, so the disparity might be explained exponentially...shrug

I was hoping for hot man love.

I will agree that most Americans do not know a lot about Australia. I would say though that ignorance can be felt from people posting from many different countries on this board. I can feel the misinformation coming from the US, Canada, Eastern Europe & Australia (see below).

As far as Australia having many ethnic groups and the US being only Americans..... Have you ever visited the US?

You might be right about Canada. I've never been there. I would have to say that Australia is the most culturally diverse nation on earth, so I have a biased view on this to an extent... but I also live in the US for a lot of time during the year, and I'd have to say that if there is any diversity in cultures, it doesn't stick out in American culture as a whole. It does in Australia.

I didn't say America is just Americans. I said that in order for you to live in America, you must become an American.
Yes, I live in the US up to 6 months of the year; I've travelled to about 30 states. America doesn't even come close to Australia when diversity in cultures is concerned.

Labret,

You're well ahead of the game.

How long before the sheep start saying "Americans are brain-washed by Fox News" instead of "Americans are brain-washed by CNN"? Aren't they stuck in days of old, using 20th century propaganda in a 21st century world?

Can you be more specific about this? The US is made up of people from every country in the world. You can find any kind of culture here. And as you say Australia sounds the same.

Your comment is exactly the kind of comment that if written by an American on this board, he/she would get flamed for being arrogant. Everything is perception...

Also you said you live here up to 6 months a year and no one is forcing you to become American...

xxx

Ya mean like Bush does? :)

I'm interested in this "diversity in cultures" thing too. I am considering visiting Australia later this year and so am interested. How do you define culture and how does one decide when one country has a greater diversity of it?

I can see a very wide range of cultures here in the US by visiting a small Wisconsin farm, any ghetto, Las Vegas, and then Miami.

I can see quite a wide range here in Miami just by travelling from South Beach to the ghetto. In the space of just a few miles I can go from being surrounded by Latino music, people, and food to sitting in a crack-house surrounded by thieves and thugs. Now THAT is cultural diversity.

Let me explain my comments...

I've been to both countries, lived in both countries and intend on living in both countries forever. I do it because of personal reasons and because it's the lifestyle I enjoy.

In America, it seems to me that when any ethnic group settles in a city or town, they automatically move to wherever their own people are settled. I see a lot less of this in Australia. At the moment, I live next to a Vietnamese family to my right, and a Croatian family to my left, across the road is a Lebanese family.

The point is, that this is how it is for almost everyone in every capital city in Australia. I didn't see this in America. Because it seems to me that America; ethnically speaking, is made up of immigrants who are kind of made to become an American, holding on to their own heritage is almost taboo.

As for being forced, no I didn't say people force you to do it, it happens that way. It just happens that in order for someone to be successful in the US, you need to be an American and talk English, and drive an American car and eat Mc Donalds, listen to American music etc. If you don't, people wonder why.

The American government has a lovely way of putting people into their ethnic groups until they become successful, and generalizing within the media whenever one person from that said group, causes some kind of trouble.

I don't see this in Australia, unless the "Albanian Wing" of a detention centre is suddenly on fire. Then people and more specifically the media will aim at that one ethnic group. Otherwise, people don't give a fuck.

It still makes people cringe to sit next to a black man on a bus in the US, I've seen it in their eyes. I'm white, and of Slavic heritage so it affects me less than it does most visitors and immigrants to the US.

It's just what I've seen with my own eyes.

I live in Miami. That is not true here. Spanish is spoken everwhere here. The grocery stores have signs in Spanish and English, the Spanish book sections are large, and there are a LARGE number of restaurants that cater to Spanish speaking clientele over English. The security guards in my community don't even speak English.

And .. I know and understand why!

I was thinking the same thing. I didnt pay attention to Fox News for a long time until I started reading about them just dominating every other news agency. So I started tuning in to see what the hype was all about.

The same network that gives you such original programming as World Wildest Police Videos, COPS, When Docile Animals Attack, Simpsons, Married With Children... now give us the news.

I think for a long time, most of the major news networks targeted a more educated left leaning audience... which alienated a vast majority of Americans. Who does Fox target? Fox targets those they are best at targeting, Joe Blow American. The news is dished up fast, flashy, and put forth in a simple enough manner as to be easily grasped by your average American dipshit. Not too much extra info, no lengthy debates by boring ass intellectuals, no boring history lessons. Just simple facts put forward in an easily understood and digestable manner.

Fox nailed it on the fucking head after 9-11. Where were the cattle gonna get their news? MSNBC, those lefty cocksuckers? CNN, those uptight east coast liberal bastards? So Fox stepped in. Give the cattle what they want. Give us the news, but dumb it down and make it simple enough for Sally Sue and Billy Joe to understand. America is under attack by people who hate us, nevermind the historical and theological reasons for their hatred, they only hate us because they are jealous. America is the best, has always been the best, and will always be the best.

What I love the most about Fox is they ALWAYS bill themselves as "fair and unbalanced". They repeat it over and over like a mantra. I watch it while I work, a good 6 to 8 hours a day of it. Everything from their morning shows all the way through Cavuto, Hannity, and OReilly. I skip Cal Thomas that weasly looking bitch.

It is a work of art watching these people work. Finally the conservative right has a voice outside of Rush Limbaugh.

Its all fueled by fear. If you watch Fox all day, I would be scared to leave the damn house. The terrorists want to kill you, the liberals and communists (one in the same) want to hook your children on drugs, rap music, pornography, and teach them how to hate God.

I cant get enough of it.

Fox News. News even your average American can understand.

okay, the british will take back the web though and the Finnish will take back irc.

joe? thought you were dead?

Nah... not yet! :winkwink:

First, name any nation that is / was truly communist. There are not any. Just because we label someone communist, or they label themselves communist, does not mean they are communist. I suggest you pick up Marxism for Dummies.

And because you feel communism has failed, then it is no longer a viable option?

Name me one type of government that has stood the test of time and never failed.

So your basic belief is a good form of government is one that has stood the test of time and is based upon longevity? Move over Democracy... and make way for Despots, Theocracy, and Monarchy. As they historically have flourished much longer than any other type of government.

dink.

lol, wrong joe. His question sounded like something directly out of the mouth of joe mccarthy

You forgot a crucial part of the equation --> you are not American.

Which means that your opinions really do not matter. Every country acts in its own interest. Some folks are envious of America's ability to act in its own interest relative to their own.

Your frustration and envy is completely understandable, after all, we are all human beings. :glugglug

I missed that one when you first started it.....

But it is still good for a laugh today! :1orglaugh

George HW Bush had just as much to do with Iran-Contra and other shady dealings that border on treason...yet he was still VP and President.

Americans knew of his shady past, and still put him in office. I have no doubt that the masses would do it again. Ollie North is a name people know, we don't care what he did in the past.

Kinda fucked if you ask me.