This is a nice example of how the poor create jobs

[Minte]

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[BlackCrayon]

the poor create jobs by being lemming consumers who are always buying bullshit they don't need to fill a void in their lives.

[theking]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

the poor create jobs by being lemming consumers who are always buying bullshit they don't need to fill a void in their lives.

Yes...consumers create jobs...and certainly the poor are consumers.

[_Richard_]

what came first?

Labour or Money?

[theking]

Originally Posted by Minte

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If you did not have consumers...you would not have a business. Your particular products may not be sold directly to the poor...but maybe indirectly?

[bushwacker]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

what came first?

Labour or Money?

The chicken, no the egg. Definitely the chicken.

[Minte]

So how many of you have poor people that sign your checks.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by bushwacker

The chicken, no the egg. Definitely the chicken.

dinosaurs had eggs, yes?

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Minte

So how many of you have poor people that sign your checks.

I do, my poor wife does it

[theking]

Originally Posted by JFK

I do, my poor wife does it

...good one.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Minte

So how many of you have poor people that sign your checks.

the only reason there are checks to sign is because you are able to sell a product and use "poor" people to create it and directly or indirectly buy/use it.

if products were only made and sold to the "rich" that would reduce demand by at least 90%.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

the only reason there are checks to sign is because you are able to sell a product and use "poor" people to create it and directly or indirectly buy/use it.

if products were only made and sold to the "rich" that would reduce demand by at least 90%.

It would've been easier for you to just say...no

[theking]

Originally Posted by Minte

So how many of you have poor people that sign your checks.

I signed checks for more than 20 years and made a small fortune doing so but it was the consumer that created the job/business and kept me in business.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Minte

It would've been easier for you to just say...no

Well in all honesty, no one signs *my* checks. I get wires. Who signs your checks? Those richer than yourself? To them you might be considered poor.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by theking

I signed checks for more than 20 years and made a small fortune doing so but it was the consumer that created the job/business and kept me in business.

I am well aware of who the ultimate customers are. The other thread was an attempt to vilify executives of a company that employees 400,000 people for making money.

This thread is to counter that. Whether you like business owners or not. They employee people.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Minte

They employee people.

yes but its not like its done out of the goodness of their hearts. we are expected to worship the 'job creators' like they can do no wrong but all employees are just pawns in the game of profit to them.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Minte

I am well aware of who the ultimate customers are. The other thread was an attempt to vilify executives of a company that employees 400,000 people for making money.

This thread is to counter that. Whether you like business owners or not. They employee people.

I know that. It was also to vilify CEO payments and I agree that CEO pay for many companies...is an outrage...and when it is for a failing/failed company...which it sometimes is...it should be a criminal act. My

[sicone]

Does the government count as the poor creating jobs and signing checks? They pay a lot of people and according to the news, the government at all levels is poor/broke.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by theking

I know that. It was also to vilify CEO payments and I agree that CEO pay for many companies...is an outrage...and when it is for a failing/failed company...it should be a criminal act. My

I don't disagree that in some companies the CEO's are over compensated.
But when you do the math like it was shown in that other thread, if the company would fire that CEO the employees would profit 12 cents an hour. So my point is that would that company exist and be profitable without that CEO guiding and growing that business?

[Minte]

Originally Posted by sicone

Does the government count as the poor creating jobs and signing checks? They pay a lot of people and according to the news, the government at all levels is poor/broke.

The government is a perfect example of terrible over paid CEO's. There isn't a business on the planet that comes close taking in the amount of revenue our federal government does.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Minte

I don't disagree that in some companies the CEO's are over compensated.
But when you do the math like it was shown in that other thread, if the company would fire that CEO the employees would profit 12 cents an hour. So my point is that would that company exist and be profitable without that CEO guiding and growing that business?

BTW...I had a small contracting business...and never employed anymore than 40 people and usually had no more than...12 or 15 people...employed at any given time. I could have been a much larger business but for various reasons chose not to take that route. I of course was the single owner/CEO.

Are you the single owner/CEO of your business?

[bronco67]

Please watch this whole video and add your thoughts.

[kane]

Originally Posted by sicone

Does the government count as the poor creating jobs and signing checks? They pay a lot of people and according to the news, the government at all levels is poor/broke.

I have worked for companies that were ran very well and companies that were ran poorly and were bloated and corrupt, but still managed a profit, but in just about every case I have ever seen the government is the most bloated, corrupt, mismanaged business there is. So yes, I suppose they are a poor company hiring (and often overpaying) people, but they are not designed to make money and they seem to have no idea on how to actually save it.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Minte

The government is a perfect example of terrible over paid CEO's. There isn't a business on the planet that comes close taking in the amount of revenue our federal government does.

As far as I know the government does not come anywhere close to approaching civilian CEO pay...you are talking 10's of thousands of dollars or 100's of thousands of dollars compared to 10's of millions of dollars and even 100's of millions of dollars.

[dyna mo]

round em up, minte!

[Minte]

Originally Posted by theking

As far as I know the government does not come anywhere close to approaching civilian CEO pay...you are talking 10's of thousands of dollars or 100's of thousands of dollars compared to 10's of millions of dollars and even 100's of millions of dollars.

Damn good thing isn't it. Could you imagine paying the idiots in Washington like the CEO of Walmart.

[dyna mo]

was reading an interesting article on usa ceo pay v other nation's ceo pay.

quite the difference.

[mineistaken]

Nice one, OP
Shame those democrats/welfare/loser mentality mongers

[bronco67]

A CEO should get as much as the company is willing to give him. The problem I have is with bankers making so much money. Those fuckers create nothing and make thousands of times more money than the average honest hard working American. And most of the shit they're doing is borderline criminal activity at the expense of "the poor".

Steve Jobs(RIP), Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates -- and even the head of WalMart -- they should be richer than god. But not a guy who moves other people's money around and scams the system for a living. Not only should they make way less money, but some of them should be in jail, or thrown to lions.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by bronco67

A CEO should get as much as the company is willing to give him. The problem I have is with bankers making so much money. Those fuckers create nothing and make thousands of times more money than the average honest hard working American. And most of the shit they're doing is borderline criminal activity at the expense of "the poor".

Steve Jobs(RIP), Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates -- and even the head of WalMart -- they should be richer than god. But not a guy who moves other people's money around and scams the system for a living. Not only should they make way less money, but some of them should be in jail, or thrown to lions.

There you'll get no argument from me. The only positive thing is there aren't a whole lot of those large banks.

[dyna mo]

i like that line in scarface when manny tells gina she should get with someone respectable, like a banker.

hahahahahah

[HerPimp]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Please watch this whole video and add your thoughts.

Great video, thanks for sharing.

[Phoenix]

what is the point of this thread?

[edgeprod]

The poor create jobs all the time -- they vote for the assholes who waste the money on additional ineffective programs, which then employ more useless fucktards.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

what is the point of this thread?

response to idiotic thread with similar title

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Please watch this whole video and add your thoughts.

I can't believe people can make such a stupid arguments like he does in many occasions in this video. For example when he speaks at 2:35 about "drowning in jobs". Can't he comprehend that there are many other factors that composes the whole picture. Much have changed in time, for example outsourcing, whole state of the country and so on and so on. He speaks like only rich people taxation is the main factor for number of jobs, which is more than idiotic.
And whole speech of his has dumb arguments like this.

I do not understand that "power to the loser guy" mentality...

[tony286]

If the only way a business model works is that employees need to be on welfare programs then u
don't need to be in business it is a burden on the rest of us.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by tony286

If the only way a business model works is that employees need to be on welfare programs then u
don't need to be in business it is a burden on the rest of us.

Tony, I doubt that you know more about running a company than the CEO of Walmart or McDonalds.

Just as a reminder. These large corporations have shareholders. Shareholders that not only expect dividends, they demand them. No profits to share with those shareholders, the operating and expansion capital evaporates. Then minimum wage is a moot issue. Ask anyone that spent their careers in the automotive industry.

Next time you go to McDonalds, give your server a tip.

[kane]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

I can't believe people can make such a stupid arguments like he does in many occasions in this video. For example when he speaks at 2:35 about "drowning in jobs". Can't he comprehend that there are many other factors that composes the whole picture. Much have changed in time, for example outsourcing, whole state of the country and so on and so on. He speaks like only rich people taxation is the main factor for number of jobs, which is more than idiotic.
And whole speech of his has dumb arguments like this.

I do not understand that "power to the loser guy" mentality...

I actually think he was saying exactly what you did. He makes a few raw points, but in the end he says that the rich don't create jobs, what creates jobs is having a robust economy with a strong middle class. When that occurs everyone wins.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Minte

I am well aware of who the ultimate customers are. The other thread was an attempt to vilify executives of a company that employees 400,000 people for making money.

This thread is to counter that. Whether you like business owners or not. They employee people.

Actually the thread was to show example that tax payers are subsidizing big business profits. I could really care less if a CEO makes a lot of money.. On the other hand I do have issue if that CEO is making a big paycheck at the expense of tax payers..

I understand you feel the need to show off how awesome you are every chance you get.. But I would have assumed you would be upset that your tax dollars go to subsidize employees of a large corporation that makes a sizable profit.

Who would ever guess you couldn't see past your own little political agenda and can't even stay consistent about wasted tax dollars.. I guess once again, it's just a right vs left thing with you..

[BV]

Originally Posted by Minte

Next time you go to McDonalds, give your server a tip.

They are not allowed to accept tips

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

I can't believe people can make such a stupid arguments like he does in many occasions in this video. For example when he speaks at 2:35 about "drowning in jobs". Can't he comprehend that there are many other factors that composes the whole picture. Much have changed in time, for example outsourcing, whole state of the country and so on and so on. He speaks like only rich people taxation is the main factor for number of jobs, which is more than idiotic.
And whole speech of his has dumb arguments like this.

I do not understand that "power to the loser guy" mentality...

Yeah, and who is doing the outsourcing? The "job creators".

[tony286]

Originally Posted by crockett

Actually the thread was to show example that tax payers are subsidizing big business profits. I could really care less if a CEO makes a lot of money.. On the other hand I do have issue if that CEO is making a big paycheck at the expense of tax payers..

I understand you feel the need to show off how awesome you are every chance you get.. But I would have assumed you would be upset that your tax dollars go to subsidize employees of a large corporation that makes a sizable profit.

Who would ever guess you couldn't see past your own little political agenda and can't even stay consistent about wasted tax dollars.. I guess once again, it's just a right vs left thing with you..

Well said. I listened to NPR last night, I didn't know bank tellers are paid shit. In NY alone it costs the state 120 million dollars in gov programs they need to survive.
Again how Minte approves of the gov subsidizing a businesses expenses is acceptable is beyond me. I guess like most conservatives if it benefits him then its ok.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Minte

Tony, I doubt that you know more about running a company than the CEO of Walmart or McDonalds.

Just as a reminder. These large corporations have shareholders. Shareholders that not only expect dividends, they demand them. No profits to share with those shareholders, the operating and expansion capital evaporates. Then minimum wage is a moot issue. Ask anyone that spent their careers in the automotive industry.

Next time you go to McDonalds, give your server a tip.

One word Costco, in Australia min wage is $15 an hour and unemployment is 5 %. Whats that magic? And they aint paying $20 for a big mac.
Also if the company cant survive without gov handouts for the workers then its not a viable business model.

[PornDiscounts-V]

While government leaders don't make CEO pay in office they do make it after they get out of office. When Bush jr tanked the medicaid program in 2003 all of those who helped got jobs in the private sector that paid millions a year for sham titles they weren't qualified for.

As for the economy being driven by the poor. This is very true. Right now the economy worldwide is in a bubble again and when it bursts it will be bad. It is propped up by overspending. Things seem okay right now. Just like they did before housing tanked.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by tony286

One word Costco, in Australia min wage is $15 an hour and unemployment is 5 %. Whats that magic? And they aint paying $20 for a big mac.
Also if the company cant survive without gov handouts for the workers then its not a viable business model.

Not viable? How long has Walmart been in business? How did they manage to become the worlds largest retailer?

And Australia? who knows..the population of the entire country is not much more than Southern California. They probably don't have anywhere near as many people sucking off the system. It's a balanced economy, like it used to be here in the US.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Minte

This is a nice example of how the poor create jobs

Fast-Food Worker Strikes: 100+ Cities Where Fast-Food Workers Demand $15.00/hour

[Relentless]

Define poor. I've seen people earning a million a year living paycheck to paycheck. I've known people making under 30K a year provide for a family of four. High Income doesn't make you a 'job creator', low income doesn't make you a 'blight on society'

A generation ago, people in power used race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation and religion as wedge issues. As long as blacks and Jews and women and 'foreigners' couldn't get along or were willing to blame their problems on each other - nobody noticed the man behind the curtain pulling the strings. Now those labels are being obviated so the man behind the curtain needs a new wedge to distract the masses. They have made it a game of the 'barely rich', 'almost barely rich', 'not rich', and 'poor'

What surprises me, is that while I expect uneducated dim witted poor people to be blind as to the game being played, I would have expected barely rich people and almost barely rich people to be more savvy than they now seem to be. Someone earning a few million a year has infinitely more in common with a person earning 30K than they do with a person earning 300M in almost every case. Chase Bank, AIG, Goldman Sachs, Exxon and the like take more from you every month than all the poor people combined.

No poor person or barely rich is blowing the tops off mountains and making drinking water flammable. Poor people aren't turning capital markets into rigged casinos via high frequency trading, almost barely rich people aren't genetically modifying your food or restricting varieties of food to the point where we had to create a seed bank as a matter of national security. Hobos didn't crash the economy with derivative trading schemes or raise the cost of education to nonsensical levels.

Stop whining about the poor or the barely rich, we are all in the same boat.
It's the people in that other boat, smiling at you while they laugh behind your back, who are the actual problem.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Minte

Next time you go to McDonalds, give your server a tip.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by tony286

One word Costco, in Australia min wage is $15 an hour and unemployment is 5 %. Whats that magic? And they aint paying $20 for a big mac.
Also if the company cant survive without gov handouts for the workers then its not a viable business model.

This TBH.. I'm not some anti big business or anti rich guy. Hell I would even support limiting welfare and social services to try and kick those whom are on it off that abuse it..

The problem with that, is if you do have subsidized housing or other benefits, you probably need to make at least 10/hr to come out ahead and really who the fuck would even want to work for $10/hr?

The issue here is not so much lazy people, but yes they do share the blame. However the bigger blame goes to corporations whom have a business model which subsidizes their payroll by abusing social services a. They do this by paying them so low they are on welfare. Essentially these companies are leeching off the govt tit to make up the difference in what they don't pay out.

Want to get people off welfare? Then fucking raise minimum wage high enough, so someone working 35/hrs a week makes enough to not qualify to receive it. I say 35/hrs because most of the people whom work at jobs like Walmart are never given full 40/hr weeks..

Actually I think a reasonable solution to this, would be charge to corporation a much higher tax percentage if more that 30% of its workforce is on welfare.