I have to react.

Lie no.1
"I did buy webmasterland, the echeck was not canceled by me, it was because PP discovered I was using the account for adult transactions.

email from PayPal regarding stopped echeck...

"An eCheck payment from vachagan altounian ([email protected]) could not be processed from the sender's bank. Please do not ship any items. We have canceled this transaction and advise that you contact the sender to make new payment arrangements.

Please contact vachagan altounian regarding this payment."


Lie no.2
I did initiate a wire to the seller, it failed. For the simple reason that the bank requires the name and address of the recipient."


Failture of wire cause of missing name and address of the recipient is pure lie. I provided all the information (name, address, city, zip, country) in email following email with wire info (bank name, account name, account number, swift). I have all emails stored for legal act if necessary.



Lie no.3

"I have been asking the seller (OP) for his name and address over and over again with no result."

He already had all my info. Maybe he did not want to read email, I don`t know.


Lie no.4
"I have been in communication all along, and even emailed him yesterday before he started all the drama. Asking him for a name and address to mail a certified check to him by registered mail. Of course I got no co-operation from him."

Another lie. He communicate only when I sent him email "where is my money?" and have always some nice excuse as described a bit lower here.

He asked me for name and address (both he already have - the same for wire) And I`ve asked him for certified check because it means that bank will immediately
take his money in value on the check but he played dumb and repeated to me that he will send it in certified mail... I`ve explained to him the difference between standard and certified cheque but it was left without notice by him.. one think is what this guy wrote and secon what he realy doing...and its huge difference in my experience.


Lie no.5
"He refuses to provide the name and address for a check, I will not re-wire him with the information he provided me, it is not going to go through. The bank requires an address for the person you send a wire to. This already cost me money."

Still the same song...


In the mean time...

All this happend on 8/2 (today is 11/28) and I still dont have money for this deal.


in between these dates the only replies from TheButcher on my emails "when you will send money?" was for example "It was stopped yesterday and a new wore initiated brotha" "Don;t worry about the wire fee, let's get it resolved and move on to your other domains brotha" "I am trying to fix this like asap mate hang in there" "I have loaded paypal waiting for itr to show as available, to send direct payment mate this bank shit is a joke." "yes set up a new bank account to avoid this problems, will fix it any day brotha" "i will send you pp today mate" "The guy who was going to send me the pp let me down, working on it mate."
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etc etc all the same crap around.

How can I proove, that I mailed him my details right after domain transfer and after he stopped paypal echeck? Do you think, that I didnt want to get paid? :-D

You must be Butcher`s friend or second nickname .)))

Bottom line was that I transferred domain to the Butcher and he didnt pay me and if I dont start this gfy pressure, I`m pretty sure, I have no money till today.. how long can take to setup paypal transfer? One minute? One week? One month? One year? I dont know how long it take you both, but for me its question of 5 minutes.

Like I said, I post in his forum and we did a little business transaction recently. He paid me no problem.

1) You weren't flexible with how you were to be paid.

It backfired.

2) You came here and immediately lied about starting legal action and that Butcher was publicly bragging about defrauding people.

It backfired.

3) In the end, it's your word against his, no matter who produces what emails or other so-called "proofs".

Draw.

4) You got your money.

Success. You win.

However, you established your eagerness to spread lies about someone in an attempt to extract money owed that you could have already been paid if not for your own stubborness.

It backfired.

5) You got some GFY veterans and trolls and veteran trolls to chime in.

Yay.

Like I said, I post in his forum and we did a little business transaction recently. He paid me no problem.





1) You weren't flexible with how you were to be paid.

:)) not true. He make a echeck - not cleared out by his fault. He can make instant paypal - he didnt want to... he could send a wire (he had all my infos exept penis size :)) he told that my bank rejected it but it`s not true (I called my bank). Than he stop communicate and when I asked him to pay, it was "next week bro".
Maybe you can better read what I wrote before.

It backfired.

2) You came here and immediately lied about starting legal action and that Butcher was publicly bragging about defrauding people.

I didnt lie, I`ve contacted Canadian embassy, how to make steps..

It backfired.

3) In the end, it's your word against his, no matter who produces what emails or other so-called "proofs".

Lol you are stupid or cant read:) do you think that I havent done anything to get paid asap? Do you think that it was pleasure for me to send 4 months of emails to him? Wake up please :))

Draw.

4) You got your money.

Yes, here I agree with you.

Success. You win.

However, you established your eagerness to spread lies about someone in an attempt to extract money owed that you could have already been paid if not for your own stubborness.

No, I just described my business with him. Also I found many threads where people complaining about him too... so I was not the only one.

It backfired.

5) You got some GFY veterans and trolls and veteran trolls to chime in.

You really dont have better things to do than put yourself into things that dont touch you? :))

Yay

Let me get this straight...

You went out of your way to pay for a domain name, with the method you originally agreed on, while you held on to a domain, which until paid for, was still his?

You make a hell of a lot of sense.

You're FINALLY doing what you said you'd do, you didn't go out of your way for anything, and instead, by the sounds of it did nothing but cause a headache for the seller.

No, domain name was his right after we made a deal and when he sent me echeck which was not cleared (after few days). So he own domain whole time, but I got money yesterday after 4 months and all this on gfy.

Yes that`s true, to be honest, I didnt expect that he will ever pay me so I use to live with it...but it was nice surprise, that I got paid now:)

I know. That's what I said, I think something got lost in translation with my sarcasm.

I know you didn't have it in your possession.

Sorry, english is not my native language..:)

Escrow.com and a $40 dollar fee could have saved you a huge headache.

All you need to mention is escrow.com and scammers will disappear.

That`s very true! Next time escrow only.

You immediately started this topic with an untruth about Butcher publicly bragging about defrauding people. Immediately as in your 1st post with no evidence to support these claims. Riling up the natives here with unsubstantiated claims about someone who already has a reputation is an easy way to get the public on your side. Using complaints in old threads is a shitty excuse for your poor choice of words.

You say you gave him your Infos as if everything you say on the Internets is true. Again, your word against his.

Dramantics like these are going to earn you your own reputation as someone who is a headache to do business with.

it was in another part of the forum. you don't think he should have started a thread?

One moment. Both guys are called Dave?

Is this some kind of Dave vs Dave?

Quite confusing...

Makes me remember of that BOSS of CAMS, also called Dave.

Not to be confused with the other CAM idiot living in the desert. I also like "Barry" White...

Just sayin...

I tried getting this dude domain back for him in exchange for 10%.
He sent an echeck via PayPal and it didn't clear and he already sent the domain.

He said if I collected the cash for this person it would be money laundering? LOL

Just as openly supporting known scammers will diminish yours. Just my :2 cents:

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I do think Urbi should have started this thread. About 8 - 10 weeks ago. With a little more tact.

oh well.. you got something against thebutcher?

why do you keep bumping this?

I have yet to do anything for The Butcher other than give him the benefit of the doubt in this particular situation.

I do support resolution to conflicts without creating unnecessary spectacles attracting trolls like you with 2 cents burning holes in their pockets.

Unlike other topics about politics, religion, etc that people waste all day arguing in, giving someone a fair trial is something worth fighting for.

Are you still not registered in MARCEL's new clandestine replacement for ADX?

When you are ready to sell anything, please hit me up. :thumbsup

bump away then

Bingo! This is the *only* way I buy/sell domains/sites. Saves so many headaches....

glade you received your money!

Black hats aren't my style.

Yeah, I'm such a troll with my whole 4k posts in 11 years.

:321GFY

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Look, it will be always my words against his. There are no witnesses. Exept Paypal, who know, that he stopped payment for my domain. Again, do you think that I havent done enough and fast to GET PAID?...why you think I would be paid after 4 months and all this here? I gave him almost 4 months to solve this situation between "our 4 eyes only" isn`t it enough time for one payment? AFTER that time of his excuses and unsuccessful payments, I get this to the public. Hope do you understand. If not, than I`m affraid.

Seriously, I have better things to do than writting on GFY.

Yes I`m David and he using name Dave (its not Butchers real name)

I do understand.

Should you ever find yourself in a similar situation, don't wait so long. Invite the other party to hash it out on a board so others can chime in with solutions.

If the other party refuses, then you at least have a solid case.

Yes I agree, I just trusted him and gave him a lot of time before I wanted to go public with it.

GFY saves the day then huh?

Looks like true! So thanks GFY :))

I'll go out on a limb and say that 78% of those posts feature you darting in and out of topics like a sadistic hummingbird trying to put people in their place. Here one moment, gone the next, hooray you scored another easy victory for Team GFY. There's always a unsuspecting newb to make an example out of.

You're harrassing me in this topic with wild assumptions and even hinted you might get even with me for having accurately summed up your character in less than 250 words somewheres else in the forum.

I'd say that more than qualifies you for the 15% Troll Discount in the GFY Merchandise Mart.

My advice is to quit while you are behind.

glad you got it sorted :thumbsup

Well, you can guess like that and be wrong or you can actually look at my posting history and see the truth.

I'm harassing you? LOLOLOLOL. All I did was respond in a thread that I had posted some good historical information in. You took it on yourself to defend a known scammer. As for the wild assumptions. Where are they? I have only responded to what has been posted. Nothing more, nothing less. I assume nothing.

You mean this: Yeah, I might make up a message and pretend you sent it to me too. Yep, that would be so underhanded of me. You play games like that then expect to get played back.

Taking advice is not one of my strong suits. Sorry bout that.

Anyone who transfers a domain before a check or echeck has cleared is asking to get scammed. Why would you ever ever give a buyer what they're buying before their payment has cleared?

Yeah you`re right...will not do that again, lesson learned:)

Why do people keep bumping these threads?

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u just did it :1orglaugh

you got paid for this post? :1orglaugh

I talk to people who wanna do business with me before I do, this fucker never passed my initial radar.

Just FYI, that's not necessarily uncommon. My paypal account has been frozen (with "no way to get it unfrozen according to paypal support") and unfrozen at least 4 or 5 times in the last 10 years. It's enough someone sends you a paypal payment with a porn related domain name in it.

I used to be surprised when someone made excuses for me not to call them to talk on the phone for an important deal. I can understand not doing a quick video chat so I could see them, but not getting a phone number and talking is a deal breaker. I don't do this for people doing small work but if you wanna do a deal we need to talk. Trust but verify.

an oldie but goodie. to the fat balding loser!

scammer chronicles

There's alot of reasons for this though. Some people don't speak english well but can read/write it. I dislike phone for business for instance because there's no chat log so I can't check back a month later to see what was discussed.

asking to be paid is a threat,blackmail, extortion lol. keep the last payment! you are going to need it :)