Your mother breaks the law, the police go to arrest her... And your response to attack the officer?

How do you not understand this?

This woman was going to be arrested no matter what. You either accept this and allow the officer to cuff you, or you are going down on the ground. This is the way an arrest goes down; This is the way it's always worked. You cannot interfere with a police officer making an arrest no matter what, period.

In the scenario of your mother being arrested and you attacking the police officer, the end result is going to be the same - Your mother will still get arrested, and now you will face felony charges of assaulting an officer.

A speeding ticket. She wasn't a mass murderer. She was a freakin' soccer mom.

And no, I would not let any man manhandle my mother. I don't care if they are wearing a little uniform or not.
Yes, I would stand up to the cop. I'm not afraid to defend the people I love.

As for the rest of it...yes, she will get arrested and so would I. But I'd do everything in my power to make sure it was done in front of a LOT of people and cameras rolling so that asshole wouldn't be able to hurt her physically.

And then I'd own that town. I guarantee you I'd get the best attorney in the country and sue them for millions. And I'd make damn sure that cop was on unemployment. And IF he actually laid hands on my mom...I'd also "run into him" in a bar and beat his ass senseless.

I'm a man. I defend my family.

Would I do the same thing if my mom was a serial killer or something like that? Of course not.

But a traffic ticket? With a cop who overreacted when a mother with a van full of children panicked at the first stop? Absolutely.

To get a fully informed opinion of the situation, you all should watch the unedited video if you haven't already. You'll see from the cop's point of view, it had to be like trying to talk to brick wall.

It wasn't a speeding a ticket. It started off with a traffic stop and quickly became much more when she fled.

She fled from a traffic stop. For the cop knew, the reason she ran was because she had a car full of dead bodies.

And I get that.

You are going to defend the person who just broke the law, you are going to defend the person who is breaking the law by resisting arrest, and you are going to defend them committing a felony. The end result is the same - your mother is still going to get hurt, still going to arrested, and as an extra added bonus you are going to jail and being charged with a felony.

How that does that defend your mother? Chances are she's going to get hurt even more by your actions, and instead of potentially being released she will now be sure to face charges.

By you defending your mother you have the same result, only worse.

It doesn't matter if the woman was the most ignorant person on this planet. It still does not justify the one cop that opened fire on the van. This isn't really a discussion on if the woman should or shouldn't be arrested. It's a question of police brutality and attempted murder as far as I'm concerned.

You can't just shoot people because they dis-obey a cop or just because they are fleeing.

ok guys, there it is :thumbsup

Who had post #61 in the sweep?

ps of course a car full of kids should be shot at because one of the occupants made physical contact erm I mean assaulted a copper, because that kid *could* have pulled the firearm (but didn't)! :1orglaugh

So the cop wasn't being a dick at all; He didn't ticket her for her DL being expired.

This is exactly what I thought it was. The driver was a complete bitch, and fled from a routine traffic stop. After three minutes of her refusing to get out of the car, and eventually she peacefully gets out of the car. He attempted to restrain her, she went to flee again, the kid comes out and attacks the police officer. Now we have a very dangerous situation where an officer is attempting to restrain a suspect, is attacked by a fourteen year old kid, the officer draws his gun, children on a busy freeway... Fucking insane.

Did the cop need to break the window? He's got one suspect (the driver) resisting arrest, a second suspect (the fourteen year old kid) who just assaulted him - Both suspects are coming out of the van no matter what and the police aren't waiting.

This is new to me.... The officer who shot at the mini van wasn't the same officer who pulled them over. The officer who shot didn't know the full circumstance. Just before the other two police cars arrive, the original officer says something into his radio - at the 12:20 mark or so - which is most likely something along the lines of "officer assaulted, need assistance quickly" and two police cars come screaming in. All the shooting officer knew is that a suspect fled from a traffic stop, and the officer had reported he had been assaulted and was asking for emergency back up.

I still think the shooting was improper... But the kid had no right to interfere at all.

That woman is a crack head.

The cop who fired the shots had been called into a traffic stop where a suspect had assaulted a police officer, and the officer was calling for emergency backup.

I'm not saying it's justified, but all the officer knew is that he was responding to an emergency call of a police officer being assaulted.

christ... so basically, dumb people should absolutely expect to be shot at, or have their kids shot at, because well, they shouldn't be so dumb. I mean, it's not like some people *are* just dumb is it? Shoot those idiots dead for being stupid.

And you are absolutely ok with what you admit was ignorance that led to you being assaulted, because by the time they did stop you, remove you from your vehicle, and you had your hands on your head (or wherever), you 'deserved' it somehow? Because of what you may have had in your trunk, or.. what? What part of it led to you somehow deserving to be assaulted?

I didn't say that at all - I question the actions of the officer who shot at the mini van. The officer who fired shots a the mini van wasn't the officer who originally pulled the mini van over.

The driver could not have handled the situation any worse. She took a routine traffic stop and turned it into multiple felonies.

I wasn't assaulted; I was pulled over. This wasn't a routine traffic stop, but instead a full felony stop. In my case it wasn't "May I see your driver's licence, sir" but instead was guns drawn, traffic stopped, and I was told to exit the car and put my hands above my head, etc. Once down on the ground I took a good knee to the back and ate some gravel; I wasn't assaulted but instead detained. It wasn't really a pleasant experience; It was the police doing their job.

I did deserve it.

(I should mentioned that the ticket was dropped to a regular speeding ticket, I paid $150 fine, and got a single point on my license.)

well rochard, at the time of the post I quoted, you hadn't questioned the shooting cop. And yeah she handled it awfully, but that doesn't mean shots were justified (at least you seem to concede that point now as the thread has gone on).

And wtf, you didn't get assaulted with a knee in the back so you ended up with a face full of gravel AFTER being safely apprehended, but the 14 year old DID assault the cop. Ok, got it. Out of this one as I've been trolled hard yet again by you - you are a fucking master at it for sure :thumbsup

The woman had NO GUN. The officer was no being assaulted nor was any of the three officers lives at risk when the third cop opened fire. This is not acceptable nor has it ever been acceptable to shoot at a suspect whom is unarmed and fleeing.

Added to this, the woman did not assault the cop, she resisted arrest and acting like a idiot, her son assaulted the cop. The cop clearly fired at the drivers side of the van, knowing the woman was on that side, not the son.

That cop should be facing attempted murder charges right now. If you were assaulted on the side of the road, then the assaulter got into their truck to drive away and you then opened fire as they fled, you would be charged with attempted murder because you are no longer defending yourself.

It's tough to say what the cop should have done. She really did need to step out of the car peacefully and comply, and the situation could go nowhere except to a violent place -- by her own fault. The cop gave her SO MANY chances to play along, but she was being a fucking jack-ass.

That doesn't mean I think shots should have been fired. The cop who made the original stop seemed like the kind of guy who wouldn't do that to minivan full of kids pulling away. I have a feeling he wondered why the hell the other officer was firing his weapon.

I did question it from the start: https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19877678&postcount=19

I got a knee in my back and my face pushed down onto the pavement. I didn't get kicked in the back, nor did I get shoved into the pavement. No one physically hit me.

All the officer knew when he fired the shots is that a police officer had been assaulted.

I never said the cop had the right to shoot at the mini van.

So the officer fired on the driver's side of the van hoping to have a bullet go through the kids in the seat and take out the mother? Again, I never said the shooting was justified.

That seems right - but the officer who fired the shots didn't seem to have any situational awareness. He had just arrived at the scene. For all he knew the driver was using her van as a weapon and was attempting to kill a police officer.

Jesus man. Did you even read the article that YOU linked to in your first post? Let me show you:

"The incident began when a woman who police have identified as Oriana Ferrell was pulled over by a New Mexico State Police officer for going 71 miles per hour in a 55 miles per hour zone according to station KRQE-TV in Albuquerque, N.M. "

It was a SPEEDING TICKET Rochard.

The cop had zero ability to work with people. Just like 99% of them these days.

She pulled over after she had initially left the scene and he put his lights on her. So she wasn't fleeing then. She obviously realized that she had done wrong and pulled over. Meaning...she was scared.

He should have calmed her down and made her feel at ease. He is SUPPOSED to be a "public servant". Not our Lord and Master.

Instead he chose to be "tough" with a woman. An armed man bullying her.
Yes, he legally could do that. But he also could have legally calmed her down and defused the situation.

If you have been in as many bars as I have over the years you find out that the best bouncers in a club are the ones who never have to fight. They talk people out of the club and defuse the situation.

This cop is a fucking bully. And as you saw when the other ones showed up...they too were just itching to hurt somebody and show how tough they are.

How DARE a citizen "disobey" their Masters.

As I said earlier...I would OWN that fucking town by the time I got done with them.

And I'm gonna make a guess that several high powered attorneys are already in line to sue that town on behalf of that woman.

Those cops are going to lose their jobs if there is any justice in this world.
And they SHOULD be thrown in jail.

They assaulted that woman, broke the glass on her car windows when her children were scared to death and locked the doors. And then they shot at the mother and children as they fled from that aggression.

They should all be in jail.

There's no way you can think all of this if you watched the entire video.

The cop was actually being cool with her until she turned it into a bad situation. Then the other cops showed up and turned it into an even worse situation.

i must be an excellent bouncer, i didnt have one single fight ever :winkwink:

(and i would have been seriously fucked if i had to, i have the fighting skills of a 90 year old woman) :helpme

First you say you aren't arguing that the cop whom shot was in the wrong, then you go on to justify his actions. The very fact that he didn't have situational awareness, should of meant the very last thing he should have done was open fire with a gun. Everything he did was extremely out of line and he should have been fired the moment this video was reviewed.


Look with out the cop shooting at the van with unarmed people including kids, this would of never been a story. Why is it you just blow off the cop that opened fired? If it wasn't for the irresponsible act of that officer shooting at the van, this whole ordeal would have never made national news.

This would of been a blip on a local news station, because it's little more than a typical traffic stop that turned into a short chase. The story is national news only because of the cop that opened fire.

Wonder what happened?

ADG

100 Updates:

http://media2.krqe.com/photo/2013/12....0_640_480.jpg

http://abagond.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/img_0225.jpg

Here is an Op-Ed piece written by Oriana Lee Farrell, the woman driving the minivan:

:stoned

ADG

Brilliantly written letter from the mother, and the fact that the officer was merely fired, and not prosecuted... (and may very well get some kind of retirement settlement), shows how out of control the police unions have become. Frankly I'm surprised that he was even let go at all!



.:(



.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XwYrVBQslw...0/P1010948.JPG

It seems like he may not be such a bad cop, but he used bad judgement in this situation.

I think losing one's job and potentially career over such an incident is a pretty big, life-changing event, and is pretty serious punishment, in and of itself.

I don't have enough information to know if the officer's firing was warranted or not, although I think him shooting his gun in the manner in which he did was a dangerous and foolhardy act, considering the potential grave circumstances.

I'm guessing that there will be some sort of civil suit, and the City will settle out of court with the woman to spare the City the expense of the trial, as well as possible court judgements, although it is likely some jurors would take the cop's side as well (I feel prosecutors will generally err on the side of not costing the City any additional money when possible).

:stoned

ADG

Considering every pull of the trigger on his gun, was a potential life-ending event, merely being fired was letting him off far to lightly. He should have been charged with attempted murder, just like any other person whom isn't a cop would be charged.

http://www.deathwishindustries.com/h...01%202%203.gif

I don't think that the cop was attempting to murder anyone, otherwise there would probably be some dead bodies.

:stoned

ADG

Agreed 100%.

If you or I did ANYTHING even remotely similar to the things those police did to that woman and her children we would be rotting in jail right now.