50 slanted Fox pieces & the credulous dupes who regurgitate them.

Not that it compares or even fits to the discussion but since you brought it up. Coming from a person who use to own a mortgage company, yes.. Rental/roommate income is considered income so if you were to have 10 people sign leases of $500 a month then that gets you $5000 more a month on your DTI and as long as you make a decent living yourself there's your million dollar mortgage. Need to know what DTI is? We used "rental/roommate" income all the time for qualification. Would it look it look a bit shady on the application? Yes.. And so would claiming that there is no household income at such and such address to a government agency who has those figures at their fingertips.

Seriously? MSNBC is blaming the GOP for the bad roll out of Obamacare.

I think you have your head up your ass and need to pull it out.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-dr...ebsite-failure

Like Global News here in BC, if you watch Fox News, your polluting your head with non sense .

This is from yahoo/reuters

http://news.yahoo.com/house-passes-r...6--sector.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In the most significant legislative rebuke to President Barack Obama's healthcare overhaul, 39 members of his Democratic Party voted for a Republican bill in the House of Representatives on Friday aimed at undermining his signature domestic policy.

Watching Fox News is like watching idiocarcy come true.. They just tell people who. Lean to the right or are hard core righties what they want to hear.. It's not even just slanted to the right but they purposely mislead like this very story in attempt to spoon feed their viewers what they want to hear. That's not news but entertainment TV.

How would you know this if you weren't busy watching fox news. No comment on the Reuters article?

You think rental income and claiming a room mates income as yours is the same thing? Holy fucking christ.

seems legit

I don't have to watch jerry springer to know it's fake made up entertainment TV. I don't have to watch WWF to know its fake wrestling made for TV. I don't have to watch any of the so called reality TV shows to know they are all made up fake drama tv.

I don't have to watch Fox News to know its cherry picked and grossly far reaching entertainment tv. It's called using basic logic and common sense to weed out the obvious bullshit. Perhaps it's real for you....then again maybe you believe everything you see on TV...

So tell me Minte.. What's your opinion on Fox News not only once but two times bringing on people to claim false information about Obamacare, in this case it's been shown that the numbers this guy have given are impossible because no insurance company has prices in his state as high as he claims. It's been proven he outright lied,

The first group of people fox brought on a few weeks ago, have all been shown to not be telling the truth and much less two of them hadn't even visited the insurance exchange much less even tried to sign up.

So Minte tell me, is it just some liberal agenda to make Fox News look bad or is it perhaps Fox News bringing on guest that will say what their viewers want to hear and not actually vetting these guest as any other news organization would do? Once can be a mistake, but this happens time and time again on fox entertainment news over a vast amount of topics, not just Obamacare..

Not once has fox ever gone back and admitted their mistake or attempted to correct the stories.. So tell me fair and balanced or just spoon feeding their viewers what they want to hear?

Actually, I have seen Fox correct themselves on several occasions, but then again, I listen to them without the hate you seem to have for them, pull your head out and see the light, the left media is scrambling trying to find light in Obamacare, yet even they are questioning the Presidents actions, even seeing that if a president says he will change the law to allow you to keep your old policies BEFORE he even spoke to the insurance companies, he doesn't give a fuck about the American people.

So you are basing your feeling about Fox based on what? A feeling? What someone told you?
On basic logic? Pull your head out of your ASS

neither Fox nor MSNBC would qualify as news in most democratic countries

I base it by time and time again seeing these same kind of slanted interviews trying to push their agenda then time and time again seeing them proven false. Perhaps it's you whom needs to pull ones head out of their ass.

Can you perhaps answer the very same question I just asked Minte.. Tell me what you think about these two specific cases where fox has brought on people to base Obamacare, yet they are almost immediacy proven to be false claims. Why do you think that's ok?

If I were an expert on FOX I would be happy to fence with you. As it is, I have a day job. I go to an office 20+ miles from my home. So during the day I don't watch TV. When I get home, I watch NBC nightly with Brian Williams. My only time I have to watch opinion news is a couple of times a week I watch Oreilly for 30 minutes or until it evolves into a scream off.

I get most of the news during the day from yahoo and politico. I have seen Greta on Fox a few times and she was ok.

All of the news sources put a spin on what they produce. If you can look at a few different sources and get the actual fact. 10 dead..a ship sunk off the coast, obamacare has had 100k people sign then it's fairly simple for me to form my own opinions.

Most of the things that get argued here and on other boards are facts, not opinions.
Did the healthcare website work, no. Did Obama tell people multiple times that they could keep their insurance, yes.. Is the country $17t in debt yes, does the NSA spy on us, probably.. Are any of those statements even debatable?

No it's not debatable, the roll out of Obamacare has been very bad. Did you know the first month of Romneycare only 100 people signed up? Three years later over 90% of MA had health insurance. Will the same happen with Obamacare, well we will see.

However it still doesn't excuse away Fox News bringing guests on their shows that are either brought on to spew out what their viewer want to hear, not based on actual fact or not properly vetting their guests.

I personally think there are lots of people whom are doing what I'm doing. I support the idea of Obamacare, but I've yet to sign up. I'm waiting for them to work the bugs out of the system. I'm sure I'm not alone and I suspect once the website issues are worked out, then the amount of sign ups will start growing very fast.

People want the access to insurance, that is a fact. The lack of sign ups is not a reflection of people not wanting the insurance, but rather the troublesome roll out.

I am going to jump back in on that response about fake news.

Who actually cares what two people off the street do or think about anything?
I don't. They have zero influence on my views on Obama or his insurance.

Are you influenced by what those people had to say?

You are the one who made the comparison not me.. And as far as it's concerned your roommate could very well sign a lease of their full earnings and yes it could be used as income to qualify. But again the mortgage scenario doesn't fit. While you can be charged with fraud by lying on a mortgage loan application it's much less likely you would get caught over lying on a government assistance application. Which brings us back to the household income. Household income is everyone in the house not just you. My gf was kicked off because she was actually truthful on her renewal application and disclosed my income, not as hers, as mine.. If she had lied she would be fine. Are you saying everyone should just lie and/or just play ignorant and hope to not get caught?

Am I influenced by what they say? No not at all, but a lot of people believe this kind of non sense, specially when it's what they want to hear..

Then those people have already made up their minds.

I can't imagine that *those* people were any more influenced by what they saw on a news show than the rest of the country was when they watched a sitting US president lie.

Obama struggles to save his cherished health law
Obama struggles to save his cherished health law from the clutches of his own administration
http://mintesfiles.com/gfy/ob.jpg
WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama's health care law risks coming unglued because of his administration's bungles and his own inflated promises.

To avoid that fate, Obama needs breakthroughs on three fronts: the cancellations mess, technology troubles and a crisis in confidence among his own supporters.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-...131434886.html

Anyone can change their mind, but when they get reinforced with lies, there is little chance that they will, unless they can be shown that the info is based on lies.

I don't care if the news is pro right or left, anti right or anti left I just want it presented with facts not as opinion based news presented as fact.

I'm sick of news in this country being one and the same when it comes to political parties. I barely even watch national news anymore because so much of it is biased. Fox is just at the extreme fringe of it. Maybe MSBN is as well, I dunno because I don't watch it and don't even know who their talking heads are..

Obama struggles to save his cherished health lawObama struggles to save his cherished health law from the clutches of his own administration

Hey..I found google images too!

http://mintesfiles.com/gfy/hope.jpg

You sure it's not you with the disability?

it's endless, there are meelions of them@!

http://mintesfiles.com/gfy/ocare19.jpg

That's what Crocket is basing it on, 2 people? I'm basing it on the over 5 million people that lost their insurance when they were promised by the PRESIDENT that wouldn't happen!

Yet Crocket wants to argue that, kind a lame really!

Pretty much. Both are garbage, but both sides' radicals will argue that they're the 2nd coming of Christ in the journalism world. :1orglaugh

My happiest thought for the day is you dying a dumb and painful death taking magic apricot seed snake oil. Even if you're just conspiratrolling, it's a warm and fuzzy idea :thumbsup

Talk about a bunch of bullshit. lol

Obamacare was the whole country not one state.

Yep letting people go to emergency rooms was so much better. lol


http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Column...oped-Countries

Here go about our great system by Reagan and Bush the first senior policy adviser.

Don't get excited Tony, I only posted a gif for the benefit of the OP. He doesn't seem to be able to actually communicate beyond sign language. So I put him on ignore from here out.
That system of going to an emergency room wasn't good. But there is nothing in this law that will stop the 6 million plus illegal aliens from continuing to do just that.

What the republicans offered was attacking the root causes of the cost of modern healthcare. Tort reform. Allowing insurance companies to compete over state lines.
A more gradual ramp up. They did not support what amounts to another Tax on the citizens.

I agree..healthcare reform is due. What I don't understand is how so many of you can support this turd they call obamacare.

I posted a few links earlier in this thread. The democrats are now distancing themselves from Obama and this law. The population overwhelmingly is against it. Bill Clinton even went on record about the promises Obama made about people not losing their existing insurance and how that was wrong.

Obama can't see any of this. He's just like every professor I had in college. He talks and talks..and never listens. He has no experience beyond working for the government in various jobs and it shows. All book taught. No experience.

and take notice..there is no LOL..there is nothing funny about any of this.

A few things, first who said I support it? There is nothing else and the status quo isnt working. Obamacare is why I sat out the election for president last time. Im fucking tired of voting for gop lite.
The need for tort reform is nonsense, maybe the reform we need is malpractice insurance. Whose costs fuck docs up the ass without mercy.
http://www.justice.org/cps/rde/justice/hs.xsl/8686.htm
It's such a small part of healthcare costs and we should block people like this from suing when their lives were ruined?
http://www.njnewsday.com/national/14...y-doctors.html
Say if that was someone you loved,would you feel the same?

I've had an individual plan for over 12 yrs. They change them all the time and raise the rates(long before we knew who obama was) so then you go into another plan. In my 12 yrs I've changed my plan 5 times. So this isnt new but to let people keep shitty plans that cover nothing so then when they get sick the insurance company says fuck you to them. Then the tax payer winds up paying for it is not smart actually borders on criminal. Are you so blinded by hate that you cant see that?

It should of been the public option,you can buy into medicare and it would compete with insurance. Below a certain income you just got it. But the problem is besides being black this president isnt a liberal that's why he embraced and pushed thru the dole plan created by the heritage foundation. This isnt socialism its capitalism at its finest. They are dumping people at will, does he say no one will be dumped, the insurance companies have to make the plan you have up to standards at the same cost? No he says ok you can keep your shitty insurance, I made a mistake.
Competing over state lines doesnt work. Im going to buy mayo clinic insurance when I have to go to MN for treatment? Also talk about a nightmare that means all those insurance plans have to comply with the state you are in otherwise they would all be based out of the state that made it the easiest to fuck policy holders.
In matter how much fox tells you some president is one ,there will never be a liberal president in my life time when it costs a billion dollars to run.

Why would they need to? Mexico has universal healthcare.

No matter how this ends up the Republicans look bad.

If Obamacare turns out to be a winner, the Republicans look bad because they fought it for so long.

If Obamacare falls flat on it's face, the Republicans look bad because they tried to kill over one hundred times - including taking it all the way to the Supreme Court - and lost.

The best thing the Republican party can do now is to figure out what's wrong with Obamacare and come up with solutions to fix it. They need to do their jobs, not cry like little schoolgirls.

When they get to Congress they work for me, the public, not their fucking parties.

Tony, Just tired of the assholes trying to say it's the same as Romneys plan. It's not, but at least it works.

Fucking dim wits.

Plain and simple, even the democrats are turning on Obamacare. The more that's read and understood, the more shitty it is and a payday for the insurance companies.

Even Diane Feinstein wants changes, she's about as liberal as they come.

Probably because they are here in the US..

No one is saying we don't need healthcare

They're saying what Obama offered and apparently didn't even bother to read was not the healthcare law we needed