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adendreams · 11-08-2013, 06:28 AM

Donny and other crazed cult freaks are allowed to Homeschool? How is that not child abuse?

Stuffing a childs head with insane delusions about the ghost of a guy who was executed 2000 years ago yet is still watching your every move - and pounding the fear of a silver haired omniscient being in the clouds who will send you to a lake of fire for eternity unless you OBEY - that shit has to fuck a kid up nearly as bad as sexual abuse...maybe worse in some cases.

I understand that in the frontier days homeschooling was necessary but maybe its time we took away parental rights of brainwash the same way we took away parental right to rape.

sperbonzo · 11-08-2013, 07:18 AM

Well, lets see. Homeschooling is legal because the vast majority of homeschooled children actually perform better on college entrance exams and show no problems with socialization. Saying it should be illegal based on one case, is as dumb as saying: "Why is government schooling legal? There are so many instances of teachers are abusing students, and brainwashing them into government steered indoctrination; drugs, violence and bullying are rampant.... Government schools should be banned!"

Frankly, I will never send my son to a government school. Either I will be sending him to a private school, inside or outside the US, or he will be homeschooled. There are tons of groups around where parents of homeschooled kids can pool their resources and knowledge to have their kids taught they way they want to.... Not have it dictated by the government.

On the other hand, if parents want to send their kids to government schools that is their choice.

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MaDalton · 11-08-2013, 07:20 AM

i think homeschooling is a bad idea unless public schools suck - draw you own conclusions ;)

iSpyCams · 11-08-2013, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

Donny and other crazed cult freaks are allowed to Homeschool? How is that not child abuse?

Stuffing a childs head with insane delusions about the ghost of a guy who was executed 2000 years ago yet is still watching your every move - and pounding the fear of a silver haired omniscient being in the clouds who will send you to a lake of fire for eternity unless you OBEY - that shit has to fuck a kid up nearly as bad as sexual abuse...maybe worse in some cases.

I understand that in the frontier days homeschooling was necessary but maybe its time we took away parental rights of brainwash the same way we took away parental right to rape.

I was homeschooled and never set foot in a highschool at all. Spent some time in Grade School due to some compulsory attendance laws, and some time in College when my work paid for it.

I was able to observe in both cases that institutionalized education serves to teach youth to take a subservient role in society, to conform, to accept crushing boredom slogging through pointless menial tasks as a normal day, and to prepare them to fill their role as the cattle of society.

I dropped out of college halfway through a degree in systems engineering, started my own business and never looked back. Since then I have hired and fired over 100 college graduates, there are several working for me now.

So fuck you and your soapbox bullshit, you want to force young people to waste their youth sitting in classrooms learning to obey and conform and you dare call home schoolers abusers?

WE DONT NEED NO EDUCATION! WE DONT NEED NO THOUGHT CONTROL!

Go back to shooting content and find a political board for you rants.

Best-In-BC · 11-08-2013, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i think homeschooling is a bad idea unless public schools suck - draw you own conclusions ;)

SO there good, unless your a American is 90% of your country, :D

onwebcam · 11-08-2013, 07:42 AM

I think you're confusing homeschooling and religion but I expect nothing more from someone who went through a government indoctrination program.

adendreams · 11-08-2013, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by pompousjohn

I was homeschooled and never set foot in a highschool at all. Spent some time in Grade School due to some compulsory attendance laws, and some time in College when my work paid for it.

I was able to observe in both cases that institutionalized education serves to teach youth to take a subservient role in society, to conform, to accept crushing boredom slogging through pointless menial tasks as a normal day, and to prepare them to fill their role as the cattle of society.

I dropped out of college halfway through a degree in systems engineering, started my own business and never looked back. Since then I have hired and fired over 100 college graduates, there are several working for me now.

So fuck you and your soapbox bullshit, you want to force young people to waste their youth sitting in classrooms learning to obey and conform and you dare call home schoolers abusers?

WE DONT NEED NO EDUCATION! WE DONT NEED NO THOUGHT CONTROL!

Go back to shooting content and find a political board for you rants.

telling someone Fuck You and shouting about thought control just makes you look like a violent and crazy bully- I guess the homeschooling stereotype of the anti-social nutcase came true in your case.

MaDalton · 11-08-2013, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

SO there good, unless your a American is 90% of your country, :D

No lo entiendo

BlackCrayon · 11-08-2013, 07:46 AM

i think parents who home school should have some kind of teaching credentials at least. who is making sure the kids are being taught the right stuff? the main problem with home school is that the vast majority are doing it because they don't want their kids to come home with different ideas than what they want them to think. the majority of parents are not doing it because they think they can give them a better education. its about control.

Donny · 11-08-2013, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

Donny and other crazed cult freaks are allowed to Homeschool? How is that not child abuse?

Stuffing a childs head with insane delusions about the ghost of a guy who was executed 2000 years ago yet is still watching your every move - and pounding the fear of a silver haired omniscient being in the clouds who will send you to a lake of fire for eternity unless you OBEY - that shit has to fuck a kid up nearly as bad as sexual abuse...maybe worse in some cases.

I understand that in the frontier days homeschooling was necessary but maybe its time we took away parental rights of brainwash the same way we took away parental right to rape.

Homeschooling is amazing.

For your information, homeschooling comes in many formats, one of which is this: as part of the public education system. In other words, the charter homeschool I utilize is part of the local High School district. We have standards to which we must teach, and the same state tests are given. COULD I teach them the Bible? Yes, I would be allowed to do so, as it is an important part of world culture (2 billion Christians worldwide). DO I? No, I do not.

This semester, for example, the 10th grader I homeschool has the following classes:

Geometry
English
World History
Biology
French
PE

Not much different than any other kid, except she has gone from straight Fs when I started teaching her to straight As now. Her test scores, for example, went from "below basic" in English to "Advanced." Go spend a few days as a volunteer in today's public High Schools and then come tell me that you'd put a kid you love in that environment. Parents no longer parent, and the kids show it. Most of them are horrible and care nothing about education and only about drugs, sex and video games. The social environment is putrid.

Do a google search and you'll find that homeschool creates better students who are actually BETTER socialized than their peers. And get used to this fact: today's homeschoolers are tomorrow's leaders. Your traditionally schooled kids will have names for my homeschooled kids: Boss.

L-Pink · 11-08-2013, 07:55 AM

……… waiting for the inevitable "I was home schooled and banged my teacher" comment.

The Dawg · 11-08-2013, 07:57 AM

Homeschooling is fine as long as the child has avenues for social interactions. I know a few parents that do it and their kids are polite and well rounded. They hang out with other kids from their church and participate in sports too.

It does require discipline from the parent though. You have to be dedicated to the process.

iSpyCams · 11-08-2013, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

telling someone Fuck You and shouting about thought control just makes you look like a violent and crazy bully- I guess the homeschooling stereotype of the anti-social nutcase came true in your case.

Or a Pink Floyd fan.

Anti social? Society is fucked. I refuse to participate on that level. You are like a bucket full of crabs are struggling over one another to get out and pulling each other back in. Am I "against you"? Not necessarily. I am boiling the pot and I bet you will be delicious.

Stereotype? If your narrow perception of the world requires you to think in those terms then all I can really say is that I do not envy your mental disability.

Nutcase? You are the one ranting about your inability to accept the reality of the world around you and lamenting the fact that not everyone fits into your mold of normal.

I am fine with being a nutcase in your eyes. It works for me.

Jel · 11-08-2013, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

Donny and other crazed cult freaks are allowed to Homeschool? How is that not child abuse?

Stuffing a childs head with insane delusions about the ghost of a guy who was executed 2000 years ago yet is still watching your every move - and pounding the fear of a silver haired omniscient being in the clouds who will send you to a lake of fire for eternity unless you OBEY - that shit has to fuck a kid up nearly as bad as sexual abuse...maybe worse in some cases.

I understand that in the frontier days homeschooling was necessary but maybe its time we took away parental rights of brainwash the same way we took away parental right to rape.

What a dumb post on so many levels. Maybe you shoulda been homeschooled.

Barry-xlovecam · 11-08-2013, 08:03 AM

Children are basically chattel property to their parents until they are at the age-of-majority (18 to 21) and not unlike a cow is to a farmer, but with a few "human rights."

Parents have the right to chose their child's education. There are laws that require a child's schooling but there are no mandatory schools.

The biggest benefit to socialization in schools is also its biggest hazard depending how you look at things ...

The way I see it: That child will have to deal with the real world at some point in his/her life and socialization with other children and adults will enable that child to become a better functioning adult (hopefully). We all become "victims" to our environment to some extent and need to understand our choices.

adendreams · 11-08-2013, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Donny

Homeschooling is amazing.

COULD I teach them the Bible? Yes, I would be allowed to do so, as it is an important part of world culture (2 billion Christians worldwide).

It's an important part of world culture that 2 Billion people deny science and claim that "Noah" put two of each animal (including...many believe...Dinosaurs

) on a boat to survive a great flood of the entire earth (an impossibility) - oh except why bring the Dinos if God was just going to kill them off...

just admit it - the vast majority of homeschool parents are infecting impressionable kids with insane religious programming and I'm sure you are too.

Do you teach Geology? Archaeology? How can you claim to teach a kid something that disproves your crazed cult ideology, we all know how threatening the truth of science is to the existence of your "religion"...

What is your Biology curriculum? Does it include the fact of Evolution? Or do you dance around that inconvenient truth like most wacko Christians?

sperbonzo · 11-08-2013, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

just admit it - the vast majority of homeschool parents are infecting impressionable kids with insane religious programming

Please show a reference for this ""fact""

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tony286 · 11-08-2013, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Well, lets see. Homeschooling is legal because the vast majority of homeschooled children actually perform better on college entrance exams and show no problems with socialization. Saying it should be illegal based on one case, is as dumb as saying: "Why is government schooling legal? There are so many instances of teachers are abusing students, and brainwashing them into government steered indoctrination; drugs, violence and bullying are rampant.... Government schools should be banned!"

Frankly, I will never send my son to a government school. Either I will be sending him to a private school, inside or outside the US, or he will be homeschooled. There are tons of groups around where parents of homeschooled kids can pool their resources and knowledge to have their kids taught they way they want to.... Not have it dictated by the government.

On the other hand, if parents want to send their kids to government schools that is their choice.

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Really the father of the modern cpu went to free public college in NY.
"When Andrew S. Grove fled Hungary in 1957 after the Soviet invasion there, he was 20, knew little English and had no money. But he found his way to the City College of New York, where tuition was free, and three years later graduated at the top of his engineering class. He went on to be a founder of the Intel Corporation."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/27/ed...cuny.html?_r=0

"their kids taught they way they want to.... " You mean brain washed.

sperbonzo · 11-08-2013, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Really the father of the modern cpu went to free public college in NY.
"When Andrew S. Grove fled Hungary in 1957 after the Soviet invasion there, he was 20, knew little English and had no money. But he found his way to the City College of New York, where tuition was free, and three years later graduated at the top of his engineering class. He went on to be a founder of the Intel Corporation."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/27/ed...cuny.html?_r=0

"their kids taught they way they want to.... " You mean brain washed.

You don't think that government schools brainwash kids? Seriously?

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AaronM · 11-08-2013, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Donny

...Parents no longer parent, and the kids show it...

They suck at parenting so let's allow them to home school?

AaronM · 11-08-2013, 08:13 AM

Dinosaurs on Noah's Ark?

This is the first I've heard such a thing.

BlackCrayon · 11-08-2013, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

You don't think that government schools brainwash kids? Seriously?

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No more than parents do.

BlackCrayon · 11-08-2013, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Donny

Homeschooling is amazing.

For your information, homeschooling comes in many formats, one of which is this: as part of the public education system. In other words, the charter homeschool I utilize is part of the local High School district. We have standards to which we must teach, and the same state tests are given. COULD I teach them the Bible? Yes, I would be allowed to do so, as it is an important part of world culture (2 billion Christians worldwide). DO I? No, I do not.

This semester, for example, the 10th grader I homeschool has the following classes:

Geometry
English
World History
Biology
French
PE

Not much different than any other kid, except she has gone from straight Fs when I started teaching her to straight As now. Her test scores, for example, went from "below basic" in English to "Advanced." Go spend a few days as a volunteer in today's public High Schools and then come tell me that you'd put a kid you love in that environment. Parents no longer parent, and the kids show it. Most of them are horrible and care nothing about education and only about drugs, sex and video games. The social environment is putrid.

Do a google search and you'll find that homeschool creates better students who are actually BETTER socialized than their peers. And get used to this fact: today's homeschoolers are tomorrow's leaders. Your traditionally schooled kids will have names for my homeschooled kids: Boss.

what makes you suitable to teach though? did you go to teachers college? did you go to university? do you think parents in podunk kentucky who are homeschooling to keep their kids away from the 'blacks' are educated enough to teach their kids? most likely not. like it said, its about control.

another issue is that you can't keep kids from the world forever, sure parts of it are bad and influential but how will your kids have the skills to deal with or avoid it if they've never had to? you raise kids in a bubble with their home school, religion and when they get out into the real world they either go crazy and do all the shit you hid from them or go the other way and become so introverted they never achieve anything other than grades.

MaDalton · 11-08-2013, 08:16 AM

i might be biased but where i come from, homeschooling is not allowed.

but there always have been cases over the years where parents went to court to force the authorities into exemptions for their kids and in 10 out of 10 cases those parents were religious nutcases and in most cases they had their children removed from them at some point later on.

pornmasta · 11-08-2013, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

There are so many instances of teachers are abusing students, and brainwashing them into government steered indoctrination; drugs, violence and bullying are rampant.... Government schools should be banned!"
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exactly.

adendreams · 11-08-2013, 08:17 AM

Looks like I touched a nerve here. Looks like some butthurt guys in here are taking out their anger on me because their parents ripped them off of one of the most important and fun aspects of growing up: High School.

Some normal families home school their kids with a decent education I'm sure. Pointing out that there are exceptions doesn't invalidate the rule. Homeschooling by religious fanatic parents is the problem, it's a big reason why Christian, Mormon and Scientology Cults are such pervasive and growing plagues (Scientology is actually declining thank Gawd).

I personally know adults who were mind-fucked by Homeschooled religious indoctrination and they are pissed just like you guys...you just cant admit it to yourself yet that your parents fucked you.

Jel · 11-08-2013, 08:21 AM

you're as much of a whackjob as the people you think are whackjobs

Donny · 11-08-2013, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

It's an important part of world culture that 2 Billion people deny science and claim that "Noah" put two of each animal (including...many believe...Dinosaurs

) on a boat to survive a great flood of the entire earth (an impossibility) - oh except why bring the Dinos if God was just going to kill them off...

just admit it - the vast majority of homeschool parents are infecting impressionable kids with insane religious programming and I'm sure you are too.

Do you teach Geology? Archaeology? How can you claim to teach a kid something that disproves your crazed cult ideology, we all know how threatening the truth of science is to the existence of your "religion"...

What is your Biology curriculum? Does it include the fact of Evolution? Or do you dance around that inconvenient truth like most wacko Christians?

I'd advise you to do a little thinking before making posts that show your ignorance. You could've used some homeschooling years. The Bible and science do not conflict. Google 'Theistic Evolution.'. Even the Pope himself (the last one) publicly stated that evolution is a valid explanation for how God created.

bean-aid · 11-08-2013, 08:24 AM

A lot of places (i.e. Virginia) have a heavy following of home schoolers. It actually is so involved that multiple programs exist for the home schooled.

By high school though... I think it is time to send the kid away to either Private School or Public School (if that is an acceptable option). No more waking up, walking down stairs to mommy and the books by that age.

AaronM · 11-08-2013, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

what makes you suitable to teach though? did you go to teachers college? did you go to university? do you think parents in podunk kentucky who are homeschooling to keep their kids away from the 'blacks' are educated enough to teach their kids? most likely not. like it said, its about control.

While I understand and agree with some of your thoughts, control isn't always a bad thing as it can add structure that isn't in the public schools.

The high school I went to had won awards for being one of the best schools. However, my experiences there were not good and although I did get a decent education there, most of it was due to a small handful of teachers who I respected. I dropped out, got my GED, and was in college while my H.S. classmates were still being directed like cattle.

On the flip side, I had a friend who was home schooled. His entire family was uneducated trailer trash and to this day, he seems to be exactly the same.

There is a Mormon family here who homeschool their children. There is no doubt that it's all about controlling them and in this case, it's a bad thing. The kids have zero social skills and the entire family is beyond odd. Most people I know refer to the kids as the "Children of the Corn."

My point being that every case is different. Some of the homeschool programs are well structured while others are not.

adendreams · 11-08-2013, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

in 10 out of 10 cases those parents were religious nutcases and in most cases they had their children removed from them at some point later on.

Not only can parents refuse real education for their kids..but here in the US they actually let these parents refuse medical care for their kids (in some states) not only can Christians murder the minds of these poor children, they can quite literally murder the kids by refusing life saving medical care. "It's in GODS HANDS"

tony286 · 11-08-2013, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

You don't think that government schools brainwash kids? Seriously?

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They dont. I went to them. But my evangelical schooled niece at 7 yrs old did the dinner prayer and asked god to give the activist judges wisdom. I knew nothing about politics at 7.
That's the extremes game plan, blame others for what they do.

sperbonzo · 11-08-2013, 08:27 AM

As opposed to anecdotes and opinions....

HOME-SCHOOLING: Outstanding results on national tests

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The Washington Times

The U.S. Department of Education (DOE) estimates there are more than 1.5 million children being taught at home. Furthermore, the DOE estimates that home-schooling has been growing at 7 percent a year for the last 10 years.

Two related questions many people ask are, “Why has home-schooling become so popular?” and “What is motivating parents to take on this daunting responsibility?” In the most recent report by the DOE, parents gave three basic reasons for choosing home education: to provide religious or moral instruction, concerns about the school environment, and dissatisfaction with academic instruction at other schools.

Regarding the third reason, there is new research showing that the average home-schooler who takes standardized achievement tests is doing very well. The study, commissioned by the Home School Legal Defense Association and conducted by Brian Ray, an internationally recognized scholar and president of the nonprofit National Home Education Research Institute (NHERI), is called “Progress Report 2009: Homeschool Academic Achievement and Demographics.”

The study included almost 12,000 home-school students from all 50 states who took three well-known standardized achievements tests — the California Achievement Test, the Iowa Test of Basic Skills and the Stanford Achievement Test — for the 2007-08 academic year. The students were drawn from 15 independent testing services, making it the most comprehensive home-school academic study to date.

The results reinforced previous home-school studies conducted over a period of 25 years.

Five areas of academic pursuit were measured. In reading, the average home-schooler scored at the 89th percentile; language, 84th percentile; math, 84th percentile; science, 86th percentile; and social studies, 84th percentile. In the core studies (reading, language and math), the average home-schooler scored at the 88th percentile.

The average public school student taking these standardized tests scored at the 50th percentile in each subject area.

Beyond academics, there were significant results regarding achievement gaps. It is common knowledge that gender, as well as parents’ income and education levels will greatly affect a public school student’s academic results. Public schools have invested greatly to try to close these achievement gaps. The study, however, shows the achievement gaps found in public school were greatly diminished for the home educated.

For example, home-schooled boys scored at the 87th percentile and girls at the 88th. Household income had little impact on the results of home-school students: Children of parents with an income between $35,000 and $49,000 scored at the 86th percentile, whereas children of parents with an income over $70,000 scored at the 89th percentile.

As one would expect, the education level of parents did affect the results. For example, home-school students of parents without college degrees scored, on average, at the 83rd percentile for the core subjects. When one parent had a college degree, those students scored at the 86th percentile, and when both parents had a college degree, those students scored at the 90th percentile. There was virtually no difference, however, between the scores of students whose parents were certified teachers and those who were not.

In summary, the results were slightly better than the most recent large academic study regarding home-schoolers (the 1998 Rudner study), and the average home-school test results continue to be 30-plus percentile points higher than their public school counterparts.

In my opinion, there are two main factors for these outstanding results: the educational environment where learning takes place, and the individualized, one-on-one instruction. Most home-school students are directly taught by their parents, who love their children enough to make the sacrifice to stay at home to make sure their child is taught in a safe and loving learning environment. Second, one-on-one instruction emphasizes the best interests of the child rather than the best interests of the group.

In a sentence, home-schooling is a recipe for academic success.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz2k4Jfjjtg

Donny · 11-08-2013, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

They suck at parenting so let's allow them to home school?

I didn't articulate very well. Here's what I meant:

I want to keep the kids I love away from the kids of parents who don't give a crap about their own kids, as is evident in a public school environment. Kids whose parents don't care about them are much more likely not to care about anyone either.

If you can, go volunteer in a High School or Junior High. You'll see what I mean. 12 year olds getting abortions (yep, happens quite often in Redding, CA)? Nah, I'll keep those I love away from that.

adendreams · 11-08-2013, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

The kids have zero social skills and the entire family is beyond odd. Most people I know refer to the kids as the "Children of the Corn."

exactly my experience with the victims of Homeschooling that I've known but we call them the Stepford Kids - there is nothing scarier and sadder than the vapid empty eyes of a hardcore Christian kid.

sperbonzo · 11-08-2013, 08:32 AM

As opposed to anecdotes and opinions....

In 2003, the National Home Education Research Institute conducted a survey of 7,300 U.S. adults who had been homeschooled (5,000 for more than seven years). Their findings included:

Homeschool graduates are active and involved in their communities. 71% participate in an ongoing community service activity, like coaching a sports team, volunteering at a school, or working with a church or neighborhood association, compared with 37% of U.S. adults of similar ages from a traditional education background.

Homeschool graduates are more involved in civic affairs and vote in much higher percentages than their peers. 76% of those surveyed between the ages of 18 and 24 voted within the last five years, compared with only 29% of the corresponding U.S. populace. The numbers are even greater in older age groups, with voting levels not falling below 95%, compared with a high of 53% for the corresponding U.S. populace.

58.9% report that they are "very happy" with life, compared with 27.6% for the general U.S. population. 73.2% find life "exciting", compared with 47.3%.[41]

Tom_PM · 11-08-2013, 08:32 AM

There are many standards for home schoolers and if anything it's becoming disturbingly hard to be permitted to teach your very own offspring. Some areas require you to now be an actual teacher before you can do it. Pretty sick if you ask me.

PornoMonster · 11-08-2013, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

Donny and other crazed cult freaks are allowed to Homeschool? How is that not child abuse?

Stuffing a childs head with insane delusions about the ghost of a guy who was executed 2000 years ago yet is still watching your every move - and pounding the fear of a silver haired omniscient being in the clouds who will send you to a lake of fire for eternity unless you OBEY - that shit has to fuck a kid up nearly as bad as sexual abuse...maybe worse in some cases.

I understand that in the frontier days homeschooling was necessary but maybe its time we took away parental rights of brainwash the same way we took away parental right to rape.

They teach this at Private schools as well....
Also, the "system" gets to choose what is in the History books and what is left out.

Bottom line is, the kids still have to pass state testing. It is no different that teaching the kids about God on Sunday at Church.

Donny · 11-08-2013, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

what makes you suitable to teach though?

It's not hard to do so. For one, I'm a total nerd and always have been. I'm constantly taking classes myself, and enjoy learning right along with the girls. Things I learned at their age come back quickly. It's obviously working. As I mentioned above:

Straight Fs in public school, now straight As. Below Basic in STAR testing --> Advanced and at the top of her class (yes, she has a "class" of a few dozen others).

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

did you go to teachers college? did you go to university?

No. Yes.

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

another issue is that you can't keep kids from the world forever, sure parts of it are bad and influential but how will your kids have the skills to deal with or avoid it if they've never had to? you raise kids in a bubble with their home school, religion and when they get out into the real world they either go crazy and do all the shit you hid from them or go the other way and become so introverted they never achieve anything other than grades.

Google is your friend. Use it, and you'll learn that homeschoolers do better in the real world than their public schooled peers, who think High School drama actually matters, and will more-and-more often be asking important questions, once they graduate - IF they graduate, like, "Do you want fries with that?" while my homeschooled kids take control of the world.

AaronM · 11-08-2013, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Donny

I didn't articulate very well. Here's what I meant:

I want to keep the kids I love away from the kids of parents who don't give a crap about their own kids, as is evident in a public school environment. Kids whose parents don't care about them are much more likely not to care about anyone either.

If you can, go volunteer in a High School or Junior High. You'll see what I mean. 12 year olds getting abortions (yep, happens quite often in Redding, CA)? Nah, I'll keep those I love away from that.

Hmmm...I can see the headlines now: "Pornographer Trolls High School for New Victims"

There are a couple of youth groups I was involved with as a child that I would like to give my time to but there's no way in hell I'd touch them while being involved in this industry.

tony286 · 11-08-2013, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

As opposed to anecdotes and opinions....

HOME-SCHOOLING: Outstanding results on national tests

By

The Washington Times

The U.S. Department of Education (DOE) estimates there are more than 1.5 million children being taught at home. Furthermore, the DOE estimates that home-schooling has been growing at 7 percent a year for the last 10 years.

Two related questions many people ask are, “Why has home-schooling become so popular?” and “What is motivating parents to take on this daunting responsibility?” In the most recent report by the DOE, parents gave three basic reasons for choosing home education: to provide religious or moral instruction, concerns about the school environment, and dissatisfaction with academic instruction at other schools.

Regarding the third reason, there is new research showing that the average home-schooler who takes standardized achievement tests is doing very well. The study, commissioned by the Home School Legal Defense Association and conducted by Brian Ray, an internationally recognized scholar and president of the nonprofit National Home Education Research Institute (NHERI), is called “Progress Report 2009: Homeschool Academic Achievement and Demographics.”

The study included almost 12,000 home-school students from all 50 states who took three well-known standardized achievements tests — the California Achievement Test, the Iowa Test of Basic Skills and the Stanford Achievement Test — for the 2007-08 academic year. The students were drawn from 15 independent testing services, making it the most comprehensive home-school academic study to date.

The results reinforced previous home-school studies conducted over a period of 25 years.

Five areas of academic pursuit were measured. In reading, the average home-schooler scored at the 89th percentile; language, 84th percentile; math, 84th percentile; science, 86th percentile; and social studies, 84th percentile. In the core studies (reading, language and math), the average home-schooler scored at the 88th percentile.

The average public school student taking these standardized tests scored at the 50th percentile in each subject area.

Beyond academics, there were significant results regarding achievement gaps. It is common knowledge that gender, as well as parents’ income and education levels will greatly affect a public school student’s academic results. Public schools have invested greatly to try to close these achievement gaps. The study, however, shows the achievement gaps found in public school were greatly diminished for the home educated.

For example, home-schooled boys scored at the 87th percentile and girls at the 88th. Household income had little impact on the results of home-school students: Children of parents with an income between $35,000 and $49,000 scored at the 86th percentile, whereas children of parents with an income over $70,000 scored at the 89th percentile.

As one would expect, the education level of parents did affect the results. For example, home-school students of parents without college degrees scored, on average, at the 83rd percentile for the core subjects. When one parent had a college degree, those students scored at the 86th percentile, and when both parents had a college degree, those students scored at the 90th percentile. There was virtually no difference, however, between the scores of students whose parents were certified teachers and those who were not.

In summary, the results were slightly better than the most recent large academic study regarding home-schoolers (the 1998 Rudner study), and the average home-school test results continue to be 30-plus percentile points higher than their public school counterparts.

In my opinion, there are two main factors for these outstanding results: the educational environment where learning takes place, and the individualized, one-on-one instruction. Most home-school students are directly taught by their parents, who love their children enough to make the sacrifice to stay at home to make sure their child is taught in a safe and loving learning environment. Second, one-on-one instruction emphasizes the best interests of the child rather than the best interests of the group.

In a sentence, home-schooling is a recipe for academic success.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz2k4Jfjjtg

because they are getting attention one on one. They used to get better attention until education became the righties favorite things to cut first. But it is also brainwashing you expose your child to no other trains of thought.

adendreams · 11-08-2013, 08:42 AM

Sperbonz you are obviously an intelligent but misguided dude - you seriously will come in here and quote a story by the far right wing lunatic rag the Washington Times???

hahaha I guess you are hoping a lot of people won't know that they are worse than Fox News and certainly anything BUT real news.

PornoMonster · 11-08-2013, 08:42 AM

There will be Stories to each side of the issue.
Everyone will Cheat the system.

Aaron M said one family is still trailer trash.
Are they educated trailer trash? HAHAH anyway same with the school system of
NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND. I know a girl that hasn't done one piece of work and has ZEROS in grades 8,9,10. She is still not left behind to advance to the 11th grade.

Here, they now require Home schooled to be active in activities. IE PE classes, have to be with other home schooled kids, and they also have their own sports teams now.

In the beginning, and I am sure still in several places the kids have no social skills.
This would make them Great CEO's LOL...

AaronM · 11-08-2013, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donny

...while my homeschooled kids take control of the world.

sperbonzo · 11-08-2013, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adendreams

Sperbonz you are obviously an intelligent but misguided dude - you seriously will come in here and quote a story by the far right wing lunatic rag the Washington Times???

hahaha I guess you are hoping a lot of people won't know that they are worse than Fox News and certainly anything BUT real news.

Did you look at the source of the study? The study quoted had NOTHING whatsoever to do with the Washington Times.

Maybe this will make you feel better about the data:

http://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED424309

http://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED535134

.

Sly · 11-08-2013, 09:01 AM

I always find it interesting how intolerant the tolerant are.

adendreams · 11-08-2013, 09:18 AM

Sperbonz why so passionate about this issue? Were you homeschooled? Would this have anything to do with why you ended up on the street?

There can never be any substitute for the social growth and personality realization that comes from interaction with a large number of kids, be it private or public - high school is essential to the formation of WHO you become.

_Richard_ · 11-08-2013, 09:20 AM

im not sending my kids to school, and i have a hard time accepting why people do

iSpyCams · 11-08-2013, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adendreams

exactly my experience with the victims of Homeschooling that I've known but we call them the Stepford Kids - there is nothing scarier and sadder than the vapid empty eyes of a hardcore Christian kid.

Well at least you've proven they dont have a monopoly on being judgmental, narrow-minded retards.

iSpyCams · 11-08-2013, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adendreams

high school is essential to the formation of WHO you become.

Why? because if you don't go you might not "become"?

11-08-2013, 06:28 AM	#1
adendreams Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: LA and Florida Posts: 1,887	Why is HOMESCHOOLING legal? Donny and other crazed cult freaks are allowed to Homeschool? How is that not child abuse? Stuffing a childs head with insane delusions about the ghost of a guy who was executed 2000 years ago yet is still watching your every move - and pounding the fear of a silver haired omniscient being in the clouds who will send you to a lake of fire for eternity unless you OBEY - that shit has to fuck a kid up nearly as bad as sexual abuse...maybe worse in some cases. I understand that in the frontier days homeschooling was necessary but maybe its time we took away parental rights of brainwash the same way we took away parental right to rape. __________________ Aden - Your Content Shooter Superfreak ADEN CONTENT · HD Video · Ex-GF · Am Content · Pro Content · PHP Programming · Package Deals • Skype or ICQ available on request •

11-08-2013, 07:18 AM	#2
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	Well, lets see. Homeschooling is legal because the vast majority of homeschooled children actually perform better on college entrance exams and show no problems with socialization. Saying it should be illegal based on one case, is as dumb as saying: "Why is government schooling legal? There are so many instances of teachers are abusing students, and brainwashing them into government steered indoctrination; drugs, violence and bullying are rampant.... Government schools should be banned!" Frankly, I will never send my son to a government school. Either I will be sending him to a private school, inside or outside the US, or he will be homeschooled. There are tons of groups around where parents of homeschooled kids can pool their resources and knowledge to have their kids taught they way they want to.... Not have it dictated by the government. On the other hand, if parents want to send their kids to government schools that is their choice. . __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber Last edited by sperbonzo; 11-08-2013 at 07:19 AM..

11-08-2013, 07:20 AM	#3
MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,828	i think homeschooling is a bad idea unless public schools suck - draw you own conclusions ;) __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

11-08-2013, 07:42 AM	#6
onwebcam Fake Nick 1.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Rent free, your head Posts: 27,663	I think you're confusing homeschooling and religion but I expect nothing more from someone who went through a government indoctrination program. __________________ PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF..... ██████████████████▒ 99.5% complete. Last edited by onwebcam; 11-08-2013 at 07:43 AM..

11-08-2013, 07:46 AM	#9
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	i think parents who home school should have some kind of teaching credentials at least. who is making sure the kids are being taught the right stuff? the main problem with home school is that the vast majority are doing it because they don't want their kids to come home with different ideas than what they want them to think. the majority of parents are not doing it because they think they can give them a better education. its about control. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day.. Last edited by BlackCrayon; 11-08-2013 at 07:47 AM..

11-08-2013, 07:55 AM	#11
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	……… waiting for the inevitable "I was home schooled and banged my teacher" comment.

11-08-2013, 07:57 AM	#12
The Dawg Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: State Of Bliss Posts: 2,438	Homeschooling is fine as long as the child has avenues for social interactions. I know a few parents that do it and their kids are polite and well rounded. They hang out with other kids from their church and participate in sports too. It does require discipline from the parent though. You have to be dedicated to the process.

11-08-2013, 08:03 AM	#15
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Children are basically chattel property to their parents until they are at the age-of-majority (18 to 21) and not unlike a cow is to a farmer, but with a few "human rights." Parents have the right to chose their child's education. There are laws that require a child's schooling but there are no mandatory schools. The biggest benefit to socialization in schools is also its biggest hazard depending how you look at things ... The way I see it: That child will have to deal with the real world at some point in his/her life and socialization with other children and adults will enable that child to become a better functioning adult (hopefully). We all become "victims" to our environment to some extent and need to understand our choices.

11-08-2013, 08:13 AM	#21
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	Dinosaurs on Noah's Ark? This is the first I've heard such a thing.

11-08-2013, 08:16 AM	#24
MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,828	i might be biased but where i come from, homeschooling is not allowed. but there always have been cases over the years where parents went to court to force the authorities into exemptions for their kids and in 10 out of 10 cases those parents were religious nutcases and in most cases they had their children removed from them at some point later on. __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

11-08-2013, 08:17 AM	#26
adendreams Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: LA and Florida Posts: 1,887	Looks like I touched a nerve here. Looks like some butthurt guys in here are taking out their anger on me because their parents ripped them off of one of the most important and fun aspects of growing up: High School. Some normal families home school their kids with a decent education I'm sure. Pointing out that there are exceptions doesn't invalidate the rule. Homeschooling by religious fanatic parents is the problem, it's a big reason why Christian, Mormon and Scientology Cults are such pervasive and growing plagues (Scientology is actually declining thank Gawd). I personally know adults who were mind-fucked by Homeschooled religious indoctrination and they are pissed just like you guys...you just cant admit it to yourself yet that your parents fucked you. __________________ Aden - Your Content Shooter Superfreak ADEN CONTENT · HD Video · Ex-GF · Am Content · Pro Content · PHP Programming · Package Deals • Skype or ICQ available on request • Last edited by adendreams; 11-08-2013 at 08:22 AM..

11-08-2013, 08:21 AM	#27
Jel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,904	you're as much of a whackjob as the people you think are whackjobs

11-08-2013, 08:24 AM	#29
bean-aid So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: the land of woke sleuths Posts: 16,493	A lot of places (i.e. Virginia) have a heavy following of home schoolers. It actually is so involved that multiple programs exist for the home schooled. By high school though... I think it is time to send the kid away to either Private School or Public School (if that is an acceptable option). No more waking up, walking down stairs to mommy and the books by that age.

11-08-2013, 08:27 AM	#33
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	As opposed to anecdotes and opinions.... HOME-SCHOOLING: Outstanding results on national tests By The Washington Times The U.S. Department of Education (DOE) estimates there are more than 1.5 million children being taught at home. Furthermore, the DOE estimates that home-schooling has been growing at 7 percent a year for the last 10 years. Two related questions many people ask are, “Why has home-schooling become so popular?” and “What is motivating parents to take on this daunting responsibility?” In the most recent report by the DOE, parents gave three basic reasons for choosing home education: to provide religious or moral instruction, concerns about the school environment, and dissatisfaction with academic instruction at other schools. Regarding the third reason, there is new research showing that the average home-schooler who takes standardized achievement tests is doing very well. The study, commissioned by the Home School Legal Defense Association and conducted by Brian Ray, an internationally recognized scholar and president of the nonprofit National Home Education Research Institute (NHERI), is called “Progress Report 2009: Homeschool Academic Achievement and Demographics.” The study included almost 12,000 home-school students from all 50 states who took three well-known standardized achievements tests — the California Achievement Test, the Iowa Test of Basic Skills and the Stanford Achievement Test — for the 2007-08 academic year. The students were drawn from 15 independent testing services, making it the most comprehensive home-school academic study to date. The results reinforced previous home-school studies conducted over a period of 25 years. Five areas of academic pursuit were measured. In reading, the average home-schooler scored at the 89th percentile; language, 84th percentile; math, 84th percentile; science, 86th percentile; and social studies, 84th percentile. In the core studies (reading, language and math), the average home-schooler scored at the 88th percentile. The average public school student taking these standardized tests scored at the 50th percentile in each subject area. Beyond academics, there were significant results regarding achievement gaps. It is common knowledge that gender, as well as parents’ income and education levels will greatly affect a public school student’s academic results. Public schools have invested greatly to try to close these achievement gaps. The study, however, shows the achievement gaps found in public school were greatly diminished for the home educated. For example, home-schooled boys scored at the 87th percentile and girls at the 88th. Household income had little impact on the results of home-school students: Children of parents with an income between $35,000 and $49,000 scored at the 86th percentile, whereas children of parents with an income over $70,000 scored at the 89th percentile. As one would expect, the education level of parents did affect the results. For example, home-school students of parents without college degrees scored, on average, at the 83rd percentile for the core subjects. When one parent had a college degree, those students scored at the 86th percentile, and when both parents had a college degree, those students scored at the 90th percentile. There was virtually no difference, however, between the scores of students whose parents were certified teachers and those who were not. In summary, the results were slightly better than the most recent large academic study regarding home-schoolers (the 1998 Rudner study), and the average home-school test results continue to be 30-plus percentile points higher than their public school counterparts. In my opinion, there are two main factors for these outstanding results: the educational environment where learning takes place, and the individualized, one-on-one instruction. Most home-school students are directly taught by their parents, who love their children enough to make the sacrifice to stay at home to make sure their child is taught in a safe and loving learning environment. Second, one-on-one instruction emphasizes the best interests of the child rather than the best interests of the group. In a sentence, home-schooling is a recipe for academic success. Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz2k4Jfjjtg __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber Last edited by sperbonzo; 11-08-2013 at 08:33 AM..

11-08-2013, 08:32 AM	#36
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	As opposed to anecdotes and opinions.... In 2003, the National Home Education Research Institute conducted a survey of 7,300 U.S. adults who had been homeschooled (5,000 for more than seven years). Their findings included: Homeschool graduates are active and involved in their communities. 71% participate in an ongoing community service activity, like coaching a sports team, volunteering at a school, or working with a church or neighborhood association, compared with 37% of U.S. adults of similar ages from a traditional education background. Homeschool graduates are more involved in civic affairs and vote in much higher percentages than their peers. 76% of those surveyed between the ages of 18 and 24 voted within the last five years, compared with only 29% of the corresponding U.S. populace. The numbers are even greater in older age groups, with voting levels not falling below 95%, compared with a high of 53% for the corresponding U.S. populace. 58.9% report that they are "very happy" with life, compared with 27.6% for the general U.S. population. 73.2% find life "exciting", compared with 47.3%.[41] __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber

11-08-2013, 08:32 AM	#37
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	There are many standards for home schoolers and if anything it's becoming disturbingly hard to be permitted to teach your very own offspring. Some areas require you to now be an actual teacher before you can do it. Pretty sick if you ask me. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

11-08-2013, 08:42 AM	#42
adendreams Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: LA and Florida Posts: 1,887	Sperbonz you are obviously an intelligent but misguided dude - you seriously will come in here and quote a story by the far right wing lunatic rag the Washington Times??? hahaha I guess you are hoping a lot of people won't know that they are worse than Fox News and certainly anything BUT real news. __________________ Aden - Your Content Shooter Superfreak ADEN CONTENT · HD Video · Ex-GF · Am Content · Pro Content · PHP Programming · Package Deals • Skype or ICQ available on request •

11-08-2013, 08:42 AM	#43
PornoMonster Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,257	There will be Stories to each side of the issue. Everyone will Cheat the system. Aaron M said one family is still trailer trash. Are they educated trailer trash? HAHAH anyway same with the school system of NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND. I know a girl that hasn't done one piece of work and has ZEROS in grades 8,9,10. She is still not left behind to advance to the 11th grade. Here, they now require Home schooled to be active in activities. IE PE classes, have to be with other home schooled kids, and they also have their own sports teams now. In the beginning, and I am sure still in several places the kids have no social skills. This would make them Great CEO's LOL... __________________ $6 a Month 4 Blade Razors, 4 Cartridges, Includes shipping! Domains 4 Sale CashForVideos.com - Pussy.biz - FootPorn.com - SoloMovie.com - CollegeGirlCams.com - AmateurCamGirls.com - PR3 4 Letter Domain

11-08-2013, 09:01 AM	#46
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,323	I always find it interesting how intolerant the tolerant are. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

11-08-2013, 09:18 AM	#47
adendreams Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: LA and Florida Posts: 1,887	Sperbonz why so passionate about this issue? Were you homeschooled? Would this have anything to do with why you ended up on the street? There can never be any substitute for the social growth and personality realization that comes from interaction with a large number of kids, be it private or public - high school is essential to the formation of WHO you become. __________________ Aden - Your Content Shooter Superfreak ADEN CONTENT · HD Video · Ex-GF · Am Content · Pro Content · PHP Programming · Package Deals • Skype or ICQ available on request •

11-08-2013, 09:20 AM	#48
_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 30,989	im not sending my kids to school, and i have a hard time accepting why people do