Vendzilla

I can give him a pass on several things too, shit happens. But he never owns up to it, it just gets worse.

Lying about Obamacare just a couple days ago saying we can keep our insurance and doctors when 100's of thousands of people have already been cancelled, that I can't give a pass on!

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think about that

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With the way it's being used, yes.

A patriot who believes in freedom is not a NRA card carrying member who hides out in the mountains while fondling their AR15.

A patriot is defined as "someone who feels a strong support for his or her country", not someone who hosts an anti government website based on lies and half truths.

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Vendzilla

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...r-health-plan/

Washington post gave 4 Pinocchios over Obama and Obamacare

4 is considered a Whopper of a lie

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think about that

Rochard

This is the exact problem with the Republican party right now. We need healthcare. We need to fix the problem. Instead of fixing the problem or coming up with another solution, the Republican party keeps complaining. Like little children.

Now you are clinging on this "he lied" statement like it's your new religion. Obviously, the entire point of the healthcare law is to make changes to the plans - make them better, and get more people on them. You are tying to make this out to be a bad thing, but this is a good thing. We need the healthcare plans to be better, cover more, and to cover more people.

Instead of crying like little children, why isn't the Republican party fixing this or offering up a better solution?

The only problem here is the Republican party.

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ThunderBalls

Why is Pusszilla so concerned? He already gets govt health coverage, the only real question is whether they pay for his Depends or not.

Rochard

I don't think he does. Clearly he never got his head checked out after he got hit.

Note that both Vendzilla and I live in California, where we use a state website that has no issues.

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Rochard

This is what I don't get... They keep trying to make Obama look bad and when compared to the last Republican president, Obama looks pretty damn good.

At least all of the houses on my street are occupied now.

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ThunderBalls

I thought he was the janitor on a Navy sub... Did he get dishonorably discharged for public masturbation?

Vendzilla

Dishonor of a veteran?

What a fucking pussy, please say that to my face coward! You haven't the balls!

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think about that

Vendzilla

Couple days ago, he said people can keep their health insurance after 100's of thousands have already lost their insurance.
Washington post gave him 4 Pinocchios for that, got an answer for that?

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think about that

ThunderBalls

No need to cry like a little girl. Its a simple question, did you or did you not get dishonorably discharged or do you get your insurance off the govt teat?

Vendzilla

Meet at AVN pussy, say it to my face coward.

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think about that

tony286

Yep let the people keep their scam plans that cover nothing. http://t.mediaite.com/mediaite/#!/en...d24162ab8b5a/1 yep want to keep a plan that doesn't cover hospitals lol

ThunderBalls

You threatening me old man?

tony286

libertarian= republican lol and before u say the Obama worshipper talking point I sat out the last presidential election I just don't vote the sake of voting

Vendzilla

That's what Obama promised, personal choice

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think about that

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Obama blames 'bad apple' insurers for canceled coverage



I think it's pretty obvious that there are many powerful people in the Health Insurance industry, allied with Republicans in Congress, whom are doing everything in their power to discredit and derail the Affordable Healthcare Act.

Personally, I am grateful that I can no longer be denied healthcare due to my pre-existing conditions. FWIW, I don't think the Affordable Healthcare Act went far enough - I am in favor of a Universal Healthcare system.







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crockett

Oh let me guess.. You think that starting yet another bitch about Obama topic based off information from a site so biased it would make Fox News or the Huffington post blush is completely objective...

Btw why is it you duck out and never replied in the last topic you were so outraged about Obama? Why is it soon as I called you out in that topic you stopped posting, just to come back with yet another whine topic about Obama..

Rochard

That's a bit low isn't it? Grow up.

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Rochard

A plan that doesn't cover hospitals isn't a plan at all.

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Rochard

Dick head.

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ThunderBalls

You're the one that said you didnt think he received govt health care and I responded as to why. You gonna cry now too?

Rochard

I do not know the status on if he has healthcare or not. I am former military myself; I do not have free healthcare for life.

You can debate without doing what you did.

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crockett

Because then they have to actually do something and actually risk failure. It's much easier to sit around and second guess those that try to do something and then bitch if they don't get perfect results. Republicans have never been a party that solves problems, they are the obstructionist party.

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Robbie

Tony why do you say that?

What "republicans" do you know that are Pro-Choice, against the War On Drugs, want to bring ALL the troops home NOW, want to cut the military budget down (no Dems even want that)?

A Libertarian is not a Republican...we are what a true liberal should be. It's called freedom.

EDIT: And I almost forgot...Libertarians are not Religious nuts either. Right now we have both Democrats and Republicans constantly pronouncing their "faith". And of course they HAVE to say "And GOD bless the United States Of America" at the end of every speech to "prove" they "love Jesus". It's pathetic.

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2MuchMark

Actually Vendzilla, I do..!!

Haven't you ever noticed that the words "Freedom" and "Patriot" are thrown around all the time by Fox news and Right Wingers like Rush Limbaugh? These words are used every time they want to SCARE YOU.

"Obama is taking away your FREEDOM! Be a PATRIOT and BUY A GUN!".

It's really freaking sad that you believe all that crap. I started reading the link you posted and laughed out loud. It is FULL of errors. It would take you only about 10 minutes to Google that stuff to find out that its pure bullshit. Morons who write that shit (a) don't do their homework, and (b) don't want you to do your homework either.

"Patriots" who believe this shit are not real patriots. The simple minded are being lied to with the simplest of methods. Your blind trust in motherfuckers like Sean Hannity, Rush, Fox, Palin, Birthers, Bachman, and all those others is really, really sad.

President Obama is a pretty smart guy. He's no incompetent asshole like GHB was. He's managing to get stuff done despite Boehner and the now tea-party controlled do-nothings in congress who do nothing but try to block, well, everything.

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Rochard

There was a huge run on firearms and ammo when Obama took office. Yet it's STILL legal for us to purchase assault rifles. You know, in case you want to take out a TSA agent.

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Rochard

We got off subject here. Let's go over these some more, shall we?

7) Waged the biggest war against medical marijuana of any president, which was the opposite of what he had promised

Yet oddly enough, pot is still legal if you have the proper documentation and licenses, etc.

At the very same time, if you are running your pot operation illegally you could get raided. I'm guessing that most pot businesses are run illegally. I'm all for legal pot; They should sell it right along side of cigarettes. But let's face it, pot heads are pot heads and I'm guessing they aren't too good at paperwork.

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Rochard

I love this one!

20) Illegally put thousands of guns into hands of criminals

So an operation started under the Bush administration is one of Obama's Lies? How is that Obama's fault? Did he even know about it?

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Rochard

I can argue this shit all day long.

21) Fired Inspector General for discovering that Obama's friend had embezzled government funds

During an investigation the Inspector General was unable or unwilling to answer questions about the embezzled government funds. He was"confused, disoriented, unable to answer questions and exhibited other behavior that led the Board to question his capacity to serve."

If they didn't do this, you would have turned around and complained that the Inspector General may have taken part in the embezzled funds. Either way Republicans will bitch.

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Rochard

What happened the Republican party? They used to grab the bull by the horns and ran with it; They used to be leaders. Now they hide in the corner and cry like little girls.

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Robbie

Of course he didn't know about it!
And he didn't know what happened at any of the "Bad" things.

He was supposed to FIX the shit that Bush did...instead he expanded all of it even bigger.

And then when the whistleblowers tell the public (his administration has arrested more govt. whistleblowers than any other administration)...he just throws one of his female cabinet members under the bus (Hillary, Stephanie Cutter, Kathleen Sebelius) and says he didn't know shit.

Then he promises to get to the bottom of it and wags his finger at the cameras.
And we never hear of it again.

As he was called on CNN during the latest NSA scandal: "The Bystander In Chief"

If you ever watched the old "Hogans Heroes" t.v. show...he is like Sgt. Shultz:
"I know NOTHING!"

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Biggy

Obama is really a terrible leader.

The biggest travesty to this administration has been expanding the federal government to incredible size and literally doing nothing to encourage a better business environment. The economy is still in the shitter and the stock market is hitting new all time highs. I wonder how this is going to end when the easy money policies stop.

Oh, how I laugh about all of his talk about bipartisanship during the election. There's plenty of blame to go around but the notion that a lot of the blame doesn't fall on him is ridiculous. He has done not a single thing to reach across the aisle and get deals done, and he's played politics on every issue. Never will I vote for a junior senator for president ever again.

To me, he's right along side George W. in terms of horribleness. It's just a different horrible. W. was more transparent, Obama takes a dump and tries to convince you its roses, and idiots eat it up all day long. His approval rating is back down to 43%, with more than 50% disapproving. We will see how low it goes. My guess is he ends where W ended, and if Obamacare is the nightmare I think it's going to be, he may beat W.

madm1k3

Obama is politician which means he is a paid liar. He took more money from Wall Street firms then anyone in history. And wall street has killed it under his administration. When looking to find the actual positions of politicians follow the money.

A major problem with the US political system is that there is only two parties and they offer very little. Fact of the matter is that if you vote out an incumbent the new guy will be just as corrupt.

Robbie is a libertarian and people don't accept it. They have to put him into a political box... your either Republican or Democrat. I hate fucking dumb ass republicans so people assume I love Obama.... which is so far from the truth.

Has Obama lied, oh hell yeah, about a lot of shit. But if you think Obama's presidency is as bad or worse than Bush Jr then you live in a fucking dream world. Bush's lie about Iraq killed 115,000 innocent civilians, what has Obama done to top that? A shitty website? A dead ambassador in a CIA compound? Cmon Man

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Rochard

Well, we went from fifty percent occupancy on my street when Bush left office to one hundred percent occupancy now so I am okay with him. Unemployment continues to go down. Yea us.

Seems like the most logical thing to do when our economy is at a stand still.

Normally I am all for cutting pork barrel spending. But in the past six years, we've had to spend money to get things moving again.

Don't talk to us about bipartisanship when the Republican party has spent the past four years vowing to kill the healthcare bill. Come now.... Be serious.

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I wonder exactly what the President does know. I mean, we've already debated the healthcare website issue to death. Does anyone really think their first meeting was "what kind of servers do we use" and "how much bandwidth can it handle". No, of course not.

When I was GM at Playboy ICS we had departments three hundred miles away that had projects coming online I barely knew existed.

And at a certain point of time, isn't Congress directly responsabile here? Congress doesn't just make a law and require the President to ensure it's success, right? Isn't it the opposite way around. Congress creates a bill, the President signs it into law, and then Congress puts the law into place. This is why Congress has all of these committees - to guide and control these issues.

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But the "buck stops here" is what the Pres. office is all about.

These are HIS people in charge of stuff.

Eventually the LEADER has to take responsibility. Especially on the "Insurance-Care" debacle.
That has been touted as his "signature" and what will be his legacy.

Now if you are going to do something that big and change the way our country operates...then don't you think you MIGHT want to be a little more hands on?

I'm not sure at this point if the man is "hands on" with anything at all.
Maybe the most disconnected Pres. since Ronald Reagan.

The difference I see is that Reagan had people around him who were extremely competent and all pretty much had a focused direction (whether you agree with that direction or not).

Obama seems to be surrounded by people who don't SEEM to be very competent at all.
And they are definitely not on the same page. Especially his allies in Congress and The Senate.
My senator Harry Reid is a perfect example of a money grabbing/pork barrel spending politician who is an embarrassment. He is out for nothing but whatever federal money he can get to funnel back to his cronies here in Nevada. Not the people of Nevada...but his billionaire friends.

Obama isn't paying attention. And his staff and allies all seem to have their own agendas.
Maybe he has a few loyal people who are focused on his policies. But I don't see them being very effective (probably the incompetent ones)

As has been said in the past: The guy has never worked a real job (always on the govt. teat) and has no experience as an adult in the "real" world.
I have a feeling that he surrounds himself with the same exact kind of people.

Bunch of pointy headed elite academic types. lol

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"Charlie Reese's Final Column
July 14, 2012

Source: Orlando Sentinel

A very interesting column.. COMPLETELY NEUTRAL

Charley Reese ' s final column for the Orlando Sentinel...
He has been a journalist for 49 years.
He is retiring and this is HIS LAST COLUMN.

This is about as clear and easy to understand as it can be. The article below is completely neutral, neither anti-republican or democrat. Charlie Reese, a retired reporter for the Orlando Sentinel, has hit the nail directly on the head, defining clearly who it is that in the final analysis must assume responsibility for the judgments made that impact each one of us every day. It ' s a short but good read. Worth the time. Worth remembering!

545 vs. 300,000,000 People
-By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don ' t propose a federal budget. The President does.

You and I don ' t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don ' t write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don ' t set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don ' t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don ' t care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator ' s responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House now? He is the leader of the majority party. He and fellow House members, not the President, can approve any budget they want. If the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can ' t think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it ' s because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it ' s because they want it in the red.

If the Army & Marines are in Iraq and Afghanistan it ' s because they want them in Iraq and Afghanistan ...

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it ' s because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees...

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!"

Rochard

Again, do you really want Obama picking what servers are used and what programming languages should be used? Because that's not his fucking job. Obama is not a server admin or a programmer.

No, of course not.

But keep picking on it. Because that's all the Republican party is doing about it. No need to fix it, just keep bitching. And bickering. Like children.

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We have a habit of blaming the President. We do it all the time. Robbie is doing it right now saying "he is in charge" and "the buck stops here".

We did it with Bush. I blame the economy on Bush every day here on GFY. We blame Iraq on him too. But at the end of the day was Bush really the one directly responsible for the economy? Not really, no.

Obama didn't code the website. Obama didn't hire the guy that coded the website. Obama didn't install the servers. Obama didn't have a decision in how the website works.

At the Congressional hearing the other day, it was all Republicans bashing that woman (who might have deserved it). But not once has a Republican come forward and say "I want to help fix it" or "I have a solution" or "I have a better idea". They don't want to fix the problem; They want it to fail. They can't take it down legally, even by going so far as to take it to the Supreme Court or by shutting down the government, but they'll spend the next two years throwing up every hurdle.

That's one hell of a way to do business.

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Robbie

Did you not read what I said???

He chose the people who are in charge of it all. They are incompetent. At the end of the day HE should take responsibility for the whole damn thing.
That's what a LEADER does.

And again...Obama and his team's incompetence has nothing to do with The Republican Party.
It just gives them plenty of stuff to use against him.

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Robbie

That is awesome. And probably the best I've ever seen the whole situation laid out.

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Jel

It does stop with obama, and the other 544 people *as well*.

I'm in the UK, so can only talk about the US politicians as a whole, using our gov't's acts/excuses/bullshit as a measure of what all politicians are about. So while I can't talk with any knowledge at all on any of the things in the OP's link, what I can talk about is the fact that who gives a fuck what xyz did before abc came into office. who gives a fuck if obama didn't get hands on with the server set-up. These people have more power than any of us could ever comprehend, yet fuck up daily, weekly, monthly, yearly - time after time after time.

They give zero fucks about anything other than staying in office, else shit would actually get done. Excuses, passing the buck, outright lies - that's what politicians in office do, no matter how pure and genuine their intentions at the start of their careers may have been.

If something you personally did, or could personally change, affected someone you had direct daily contact with, you know full well you'd do everything you could to make a wrong thing right - these people are detached, unaccountable in any real sense of the word, and sleep fucking easy at night.

Every last one of them is a two-faced lying sack of shit who sold out their own ideals as soon as they got someplace they could actually implement, or influence them.

That famous speech about ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country (sorry for the misquote, I can't remember if that's a correct recollection) was the biggest con of all when it was directed outwards at citizens, instead of inwards to those in power. The worst thing is, millions upon millions fell for it, and have been suckered into believing that above all else, you need to be 'patriotic' and 'serve your country'. Give me 1 good reason why anyone 'should' be either? Our moral duty, if any at all, is to help fellow man, and the biggest service you can give your fellow man is to say enough bullshit - do shit.

escorpio

What a childish defense.

Robbie

Jel, your eyes are wide open and you are seeing things EXACTLY how they are.

Isn't it amazing that once you do that, you wonder how you never saw it before. And you wonder how come everyone else seems to just be blind to what is being done right in front of them.

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