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notinmybackyard 10-24-2013 12:53 PM
30 years ago this sort of thing would have caused riots in the streets.
Today the only way anyone will take to the streets is for a new Iphone.

The sad truth is that 99% of the population is just to pathetically stupid to care.

Barry-xlovecam 10-24-2013 12:56 PM
@rochard -- you will never convince me that the FISA court was following the intent of the FISA law when it gave blanket warrants allowing the surveillance of US Citizens domestically.

They (the FISA Court) was put in place to prevent such abuses specifically.

50 USC § 1802 => http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1802
50 USC § 1805 - Issuance of order => http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1805

Then NSA did violate the letter of the law and the FISA Court acquiesced to that violation.

In fact, one FISA Court Judge resigned when this whole thing started ... Federal Judges do not just pack their marbles up and leave the playground...


Quote:
Judge Resigns from Surveillance Court
Dec 21, 2005

... U.S. District Judge James Robertson was one of 11 members of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, known as FISA, until he sent his letter of resignation to Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts today. The Washington Post reported that the letter gave no reason for the resignation but said it was in protest over the president's secret authorization of the warrantless domestic spying program. ...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1429647

klinton 10-24-2013 12:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 19846747)
30 years ago this sort of thing would have caused riots in the streets.
Today the only way anyone will take to the streets is for a new Iphone.

The sad truth is that 99% of the population is just to pathetically stupid to care.
consume and don't think, thats what they want you to do.......;]

while it is actually - easier..and easy way of life...to some point :)

Barry-xlovecam 10-24-2013 01:11 PM
It is lawful in this country (like most) to do all types of surveillance on foreign soil. The State Department has (or should have) some control to limit the excesses of the NSA, CIA or Military Intelligence surveillance of those we consider friends and allies -- most European countries governments fit that category.

Some foreign nationals who are hostile to US security interests may be resident in these "friendly countries'' and whether to request the assistance of those country's intelligence services or act extraterritoriality is a decision of the President as outlined in 50 USC § 1802 cited above.

FISA has become the NSA's "Monkey Court" rubber stamping court orders (warrants). What is worse is that the FISA Court acts ex-parte making secret decisions.

Vendzilla 10-24-2013 01:44 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-leaders-calls

Now it's up to 35 countries that were are spying on their leaders

_Richard_ 10-24-2013 01:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 19846747)
30 years ago this sort of thing would have caused riots in the streets.
Today the only way anyone will take to the streets is for a new Iphone.

The sad truth is that 99% of the population is just to pathetically stupid to care.
http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.c...ty_ows2013.jpg

?

or does this not count because they're 'entitled'?

HomerSimpson 10-24-2013 03:02 PM
messing with Angela Merkel is never a good idea...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 19846702)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

Rochard 10-24-2013 03:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19846751)
[INDENT]@rochard -- you will never convince me that the FISA court was following the intent of the FISA law when it gave blanket warrants allowing the surveillance of US Citizens domestically.
To date I have yet to see where there is a problem with any of this. The vast majority of these cases are local police departments getting warrants for local crimes, not the NSA targeting Americans because they think they might be terrorists.

In other words, nothing has really changed. Local PD has a crime, files a warrant, and gets information.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19846751)
And your point here is? Seems to me this law makes it so if the President and the Attorney General believe it's valid, they can file a lot of paperwork, certify stuff in writing, and swear under oath... and get a warrant? You understand it's a lot easier to get warrant than it is go through that process, right?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19846751)
[INDENT]
50 USC § 1805 - Issuance of order => http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1805
I don't understand why you seem to mention it. It details how to get warrant. It's pretty easy really, and the process hasn't changed much - law enforcement goes to a judge, presents it's case, and the judge signs a warrant.

Nothing dirty about that, been doing that for the past fifty years or so.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19846751)
Then NSA did violate the letter of the law and the FISA Court acquiesced to that violation.
So there is one law that states how to get a warrant and another law for the President to get warrant and.... You feel the law has been violated how?

These are both laws, and so far no one has provided proof of any wrong doing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19846751)
In fact, one FISA Court Judge resigned when this whole thing started ... Federal Judges do not just pack their marbles up and leave the playground...
So one judge out of eleven seem to disgree with this policy and.... What? That makes it illegal? Seems it's a law.

And ten other judges seem to disagree with you.

To date, Snowden has yet to provide proof that the US intelligence agencies have broken any laws at all.

MaDalton 10-24-2013 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19846968)
To date, Snowden has yet to provide proof that the US intelligence agencies have broken any laws at all.
jesus motherfucking christ... would you please stop claiming that?

his docs show that the UN building was wiretapped which alone already is in fact breaking international laws

Nikki_Licks 10-24-2013 04:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19846228)
I"m very glad that Snowden did what he did and the rest of the world is standing up for themselves. The NSA and the US federal government is out of control.





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So true................:2 cents::2 cents:

_Richard_ 10-24-2013 04:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19846974)
jesus motherfucking christ... would you please stop claiming that?

his docs show that the UN building was wiretapped which alone already is in fact breaking international laws
aren't you enjoying watching him repeat it over and over, no matter how much evidence or fact is presented?

johnnyloadproductions 10-24-2013 04:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19847016)
aren't you enjoying watching him repeat it over and over, no matter how much evidence or fact is presented?
Trayvon Martin thread all over again...

noshit 10-24-2013 04:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19847016)
aren't you enjoying watching him repeat it over and over, no matter how much evidence or fact is presented?
It's called Douches Bagus Syndromus. It also happens when you name your newborns after your boss.

bhutocracy 10-24-2013 05:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19846207)
i don't think that's the point - the point is that Germany is besides the UK and France the biggest NATO ally and you usually don't spy at least on the head of governments of your closest friends
Hrm. I think that is a bit naive. The UK, US, AU, NZ and CA all spy together and share info on their citizens but we also spy on each other. The CIA was very interested in deposing our elected leader in 1973 because he wanted to close down Pine Gap (A US spy station here) and he was eventually removed from power.
Also two things to remember are that spy agencies largely identify more with other spy agencies and not the temporary elected representatives. If you've known Bob from the NSA for 30 years you're going to be more partial to him that the idiot politician who just got elected that is against your own personal political ideology. Also more importantly, like the military the spy agencies function largely as a lubricant to the country's corporate interests even if that is ultimately a second order purpose. It's a function not only of carving out a larger tax base by winning more contracts but also ensuring a country's infrastructure is more efficient for a better industrial base. Money is almost as important as military secrets. Look at what the soviets tried to steal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_pipeline_sabotage
Also in the 80's the US sold us purposely crippled hornets that had bad radar so we spied on them and hacked them to get them working properly.

I guarantee you Germany is spying the shit out of the US.

_Richard_ 10-24-2013 05:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 19847044)
Hrm. I think that is a bit naive. The UK, US, AU, NZ and CA all spy together and share info on their citizens but we also spy on each other. The CIA was very interested in deposing our elected leader in 1973 because he wanted to close down Pine Gap (A US spy station here) and he was eventually removed from power.
Also two things to remember are that spy agencies largely identify more with other spy agencies and not the temporary elected representatives. If you've known Bob from the NSA for 30 years you're going to be more partial to him that the idiot politician who just got elected that is against your own personal political ideology. Also more importantly, like the military the spy agencies function largely as a lubricant to the country's corporate interests even if that is ultimately a second order purpose. It's a function not only of carving out a larger tax base by winning more contracts but also ensuring a country's infrastructure is more efficient for a better industrial base. Money is almost as important as military secrets. Look at what the soviets tried to steal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_pipeline_sabotage
Also in the 80's the US sold us purposely crippled hornets that had bad radar so we spied on them and hacked them to get them working properly.

I guarantee you Germany is spying the shit out of the US.
sorry, are you talking about the sale to canada?

Barry-xlovecam 10-24-2013 05:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19846968)
To date I have yet to see where there is a problem with any of this. The vast majority of these cases are local police departments getting warrants for local crimes, not the NSA targeting Americans because they think they might be terrorists.
.....


HUH? Local police at the FISA Court?

ACLU v. Clapper
https://www.aclu.org/national-securi...pper-complaint

Oral argument on the ACLU?s motion for a preliminary injunction and the government?s motion to dismiss is scheduled for November 22 in New York.
https://www.aclu.org/national-securi...-call-tracking

So, if the second time is the charm it's all over. If not -- be careful who you talk to the G is listening -- and I don't mean Google.

Nothing is illegal until you get caught -- mass interception of even the meta-data of domestic telephone calls, by persons in the US without a warrant is illegal and unconstitutional.

Quote:
50 USC § 1802,
a, A, (ii) the acquisition of technical intelligence, other than the spoken communications of individuals, from property or premises under the open and exclusive control of a foreign power, as defined in section 1801 (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title;
(B) there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party; and
Quote:
CAUSES OF ACTION
36. The Mass Call Tracking exceeds the authority granted by 50 U.S.C. § 1861*, and thereby violates 5 U.S.C. § 706**.

37. The Mass Call Tracking violates the First Amendment to the Constitution.

38. The Mass Call Tracking violates the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution.
*50 U.S.C. § 1861
(2) An investigation conducted under this section shall?
(A) be conducted under guidelines approved by the Attorney General under Executive Order 12333 (or a successor order); and
(B) not be conducted of a United States person solely upon the basis of activities protected by the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
**5 USC § 706 - Scope of review
(2) hold unlawful and set aside agency action, findings, and conclusions found to be?
(A) arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion, or otherwise not in accordance with law;
(B) contrary to constitutional right, power, privilege, or immunity;
(C) in excess of statutory jurisdiction, authority, or limitations, or short of statutory right;
This has been in the federal courts since June 11, 2013 -- still pending

"The ACLU's 2008 lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the FISA Amendments Act, which authorized the so-called ?warrantless wiretapping program,? was dismissed 5?4 by the Supreme Court in February 2013 on the grounds that the plaintiffs could not prove that they had been monitored. The ACLU does not believe the issue of standing to be a problem in ACLU v. Clapper because of the FISC order showing that the NSA is collecting the telephone records of all Verizon Business customers ? including the ACLU."

Snooping on foreign communications is another issue -- diplomacy has its role there.

_Richard_ 10-24-2013 05:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19847048)
be careful who you talk to the G is listening -- and I don't mean Google.
http://images.wikia.com/glee/images/...laine_wink.gif

Jel 10-24-2013 05:19 PM
what cracks me up in this thread is intelligent people who think the issue is that people are naive if they think this sort of thing doesn't happen, rather than the real issue being that it happens, regardless if 1, some, many, or all are doing it.

I never thought I'd use the term brainwashed by governments on a board like gfy, but holy fuck, it's jaw-dropping to see. Goes hand in hand (and this really isn't any kind of dig at those who are patriotic - it's a dig at those who make sure you think you need to be, overly so) with the way most americans are brought up regarding patriotism - from how many outside the US observe it, anyway. This mantra that you need to 'serve' your country no matter what, even if that service is believing the bullshit it feeds you so it can do what it needs to: stay in power another term.

Here's what anyone 'owes' their country: fuck all. Especially not some roll over and tickle my tummy blind loyalty no matter what.

Rochard 10-24-2013 05:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19846974)
jesus motherfucking christ... would you please stop claiming that?

his docs show that the UN building was wiretapped which alone already is in fact breaking international laws
Well, that's not really true, is it? Did they have a bug in the UN, or did they tap into a video feed outside of the US? Seems they penetrated the video conferencing software of the EU office. I don't see where.

International law? Really? That's the entire point of the CIA - to break the laws of other countries. All of them do it.

Here's what Snowden told us:

According to the documents, the NSA runs a bugging program in more than 80 embassies and consulates worldwide called 'Special Collection Service'. 'The surveillance is intensive and well organized and has little or nothing to do with warding off terrorists,' wrote Der Spiegel.

Fucking wonderful. Twenty years of work, billions of dollars, down the tube because of Snowden.

Rochard 10-24-2013 05:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19847048)


HUH? Local police at the FISA Court?

ACLU v. Clapper
https://www.aclu.org/national-securi...pper-complaint

Oral argument on the ACLU?s motion for a preliminary injunction and the government?s motion to dismiss is scheduled for November 22 in New York.
https://www.aclu.org/national-securi...-call-tracking

So, if the second time is the charm it's all over. If not -- be careful who you talk to the G is listening -- and I don't mean Google.

Nothing is illegal until you get caught -- mass interception of even the meta-data of domestic telephone calls, by persons in the US without a warrant is illegal and unconstitutional.




This has been in the federal courts since June 11, 2013 -- still pending

"The ACLU's 2008 lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the FISA Amendments Act, which authorized the so-called ?warrantless wiretapping program,? was dismissed 5?4 by the Supreme Court in February 2013 on the grounds that the plaintiffs could not prove that they had been monitored. The ACLU does not believe the issue of standing to be a problem in ACLU v. Clapper because of the FISC order showing that the NSA is collecting the telephone records of all Verizon Business customers ? including the ACLU."

Snooping on foreign communications is another issue -- diplomacy has its role there.
You have no idea what you are talking about.

Your second article: https://www.aclu.org/national-securi...-call-tracking

Is about a lawsuit questioning the law, not saying anyone violated it.

The ACLU has filed a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the National Security Agency?s mass collection of Americans? phone records. The complaint argues that the dragnet, justified by the Patriot Act?s Section 215, violates the right of privacy protected by the Fourth Amendment as well as the First Amendment rights of free speech and association.

So you are just wasting my time posting up links about lawsuits not about someone breaking the law, but instead trying to define what the law is.

Frankly, I honestly don't give a shit. I signed up for a UPS account today and had to cough up my name and address. Son of a bitch, they asked me an odd group of questions like "which street did you not live on" and it lists five streets, four of which I did in fact live on. Your data, your information.... Is already out there. Companies of years and years of data on you before you turn 18.

_Richard_ 10-24-2013 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19847068)
Well, that's not really true, is it? Did they have a bug in the UN, or did they tap into a video feed outside of the US? Seems they penetrated the video conferencing software of the EU office. I don't see where.

International law? Really? That's the entire point of the CIA - to break the laws of other countries. All of them do it.

Here's what Snowden told us:

According to the documents, the NSA runs a bugging program in more than 80 embassies and consulates worldwide called 'Special Collection Service'. 'The surveillance is intensive and well organized and has little or nothing to do with warding off terrorists,' wrote Der Spiegel.

Fucking wonderful. Twenty years of work, billions of dollars, down the tube because of Snowden.
it's ok man.

American Gladiator is on.

bhutocracy 10-24-2013 06:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19847046)
sorry, are you talking about the sale to canada?
The US cripples it's military sales to all it's allies so no one has parity, in this case I'm talking about the Hornets sold to Australia that had a useless radar that wouldn't even recognize threats in our region. The US made sales and tax revenue for their military corporation, we spied and hacked and got the shit working as we needed. Everyone wins.

bhutocracy 10-24-2013 06:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19847062)
what cracks me up in this thread is intelligent people who think the issue is that people are naive if they think this sort of thing doesn't happen, rather than the real issue being that it happens, regardless if 1, some, many, or all are doing it.

I never thought I'd use the term brainwashed by governments on a board like gfy, but holy fuck, it's jaw-dropping to see. Goes hand in hand (and this really isn't any kind of dig at those who are patriotic - it's a dig at those who make sure you think you need to be, overly so) with the way most americans are brought up regarding patriotism - from how many outside the US observe it, anyway. This mantra that you need to 'serve' your country no matter what, even if that service is believing the bullshit it feeds you so it can do what it needs to: stay in power another term.

Here's what anyone 'owes' their country: fuck all. Especially not some roll over and tickle my tummy blind loyalty no matter what.
That people are naive for thinking that it doesn't happen and that it's an issue that it happens at all aren't mutually exclusive arguments. That spying is an "issue" is also an issue of degrees, in the real world without rainbow shitting unicorns some level of spying is necessary, it's an emergent property of human interaction, the argument is really about what that level and on whom should be.

Deputy Chief Command 10-24-2013 06:39 PM
can we keep this kind of boring political discussions off gfy? go to some specialized board (bored)

Barry-xlovecam 10-24-2013 06:49 PM
Quote:
You have no idea what you are talking about.
LMAO

Well, November 22, then ...

The court could rule for the government again too -- I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

They rigged the game anyway a long time ago.

Talk about counter spin http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...e6c_story.html


I don't think the bullshitters know who is bullshiting them anymore.
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Frankly, I honestly don't give a shit. I signed up for a UPS account today and had to cough up my name and address.
WTF, does that have to do with any of this escapes me?
UPS is going to be collecting the addresses you send/receive to?
Should the US Government be able to access that data with no reasonable suspicion or probable cause for a warrant. You probably could care less and you probably have no reason to protest.
Big brother is watching ...

notinmybackyard 10-25-2013 01:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19846847)
http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/getty_ows2013.jpg

or does this not count because they're 'entitled'?
Did you notice how many people in that photo are over 50 years old ?

JFK 10-25-2013 01:17 AM
I wuz here............ again ........ just keepin an I on you guys :pimp

Jel 10-25-2013 05:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 19847151)
That people are naive for thinking that it doesn't happen and that it's an issue that it happens at all aren't mutually exclusive arguments. That spying is an "issue" is also an issue of degrees, in the real world without rainbow shitting unicorns some level of spying is necessary, it's an emergent property of human interaction, the argument is really about what that level and on whom should be.
Maybe I shoulda worded it that it blows my mind how people in general go from 1 thing into another to gloss over the 1st issue. And yeah, though surely this particular discussion is about specifically tapping merkel's phone. Well, it should be, but obviously it was never going to stay about that after about the 5th post, where the normal deflection/sidetracking/etc comes in, because that's just what people do.

It was late for me when posting and I guess I let my frustration at seeing how pretty much every argument/discussion pans out, out.

Carry on everyone :thumbsup

Rochard 10-25-2013 06:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19847166)

LMAO

Well, November 22, then ...

The court could rule for the government again too -- I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

They rigged the game anyway a long time ago.

Talk about counter spin http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...e6c_story.html


I don't think the bullshitters know who is bullshiting them anymore.


WTF, does that have to do with any of this escapes me?
UPS is going to be collecting the addresses you send/receive to?
Should the US Government be able to access that data with no reasonable suspicion or probable cause for a warrant. You probably could care less and you probably have no reason to protest.
Big brother is watching ...
All you are doing is posting up nonsense links, court cases not about how the NSA has broken the law, but how the ACLU believes the law reads. Big difference. I have to yet that "Mr. Blah illegally accessed someone's information on this date and got this information". Hasn't happened yet.

My comment about UPS is... While everyone is concerned about big brother, no one cares what anyone else is doing. UPS - a company I rarely use - has been tracking me for the past twenty years and and can tell me what streets I lived on fifteen years ago. That's fucking scary. Eventually, the US Government / law enforcement will never need to get a warrant. They will just buy the information legally from some business.

Paul 10-25-2013 07:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19846225)
The german government uses encrypted phones btw - but how safe is it when the NSA eventually forces the manufacturer to hand over the keys
They don't need to do that, the NSA have quantum computers and can crack every encryption protocol that exists on the planet & they now have quantum encryption which is (currently) impossible to crack.

One rule for USA, another rule for everyone else

Gotta respect it :pimp

No such thing is right and wrong, just winners and losers

_Richard_ 10-25-2013 08:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 19847349)
Did you notice how many people in that photo are over 50 years old ?
because it is one photo.. trust me there way more than enough of the younger generation present

Quote:
Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 19847137)
The US cripples it's military sales to all it's allies so no one has parity, in this case I'm talking about the Hornets sold to Australia that had a useless radar that wouldn't even recognize threats in our region. The US made sales and tax revenue for their military corporation, we spied and hacked and got the shit working as we needed. Everyone wins.
thanks, they sold us planes around the same time.. curious

dyna mo 10-25-2013 08:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 19846747)
30 years ago this sort of thing would have caused riots in the streets.
Today the only way anyone will take to the streets is for a new Iphone.

The sad truth is that 99% of the population is just to pathetically stupid to care.
not so sure about that. 30 years ago = 1983

i think the truth of the matter is 99% of all populations want to be happy and not have to worry about bullshit like wiretapping a foreign dignitary.

Paul 10-25-2013 08:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19847742)
I think the truth of the matter is 99% of all populations want to be happy and not have to worry about bullshit like wiretapping a foreign dignitary.
Ignorance is bliss :thumbsup

http://www.atheistexile.com/wp-conte...trixChoice.jpg

dyna mo 10-25-2013 09:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 19847765)
we all want to be happy, nothing wrong with that. which usually means a simple life, less complicated. enjoy the day. just because the gov mucks shit up and over-complicates life doesn't mean everyone is supposed to stay 100% smart on everything from the german chancellor to the latest hurricane to break-throughs in physics to the tax code, ip law, etc. et al, on & on.


smart people are not any better, happier, successful, etc. many are less so, because they feel the need to run around and be smart all the time. that's a lot of work chasing down internet factoids
.

i have a similar diatribe on multi-tasking, it's way over-rated and over-emphasised. and few people succeed at it.

klinton 10-25-2013 09:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 19847656)
They don't need to do that, the NSA have quantum computers and can crack every encryption protocol that exists on the planet & they now have quantum encryption which is (currently) impossible to crack.
no, they don't...and your posts is illogical...

Jel 10-25-2013 10:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19847823)
we all want to be happy, nothing wrong with that. which usually means a simple life, less complicated. enjoy the day. just because the gov mucks shit up and over-complicates life doesn't mean everyone is supposed to stay 100% smart on everything from the german chancellor to the latest hurricane to break-throughs in physics to the tax code, ip law, etc. et al, on & on.


smart people are not any better, happier, successful, etc. many are less so, because they feel the need to run around and be smart all the time. that's a lot of work chasing down internet factoids
.

i have a similar diatribe on multi-tasking, it's way over-rated and over-emphasised. and few people succeed at it.
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

notinmybackyard 10-25-2013 11:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19847721)
because it is one photo.. trust me there way more than enough of the younger generation present
It is not exactly same as trying to levitate pentagon or la « nuit des barricades. »

I had been at both events and unfortunately the old hippie revolutionaire mentality has never left me. So because of this I was very much sadden when I visited the Occupy mouvement in NY when the idiots had a moment of silence for the human garbage called Steve Jobs. I am sure that even Abby Hoffman's ghost called it quits at that moment.

Any respect or hope I had for this generation left me that day. As I am certain that it did for the most die hard drugged hippies still hanging around from the sixties.

I know I am what is called jaded but from what I am seeing the majority of people today are weak and illiterate self-absorbed morons that paradoxically believe themselves to be super intelligent and super great.

_Richard_ 10-25-2013 11:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 19848005)
It is not exactly same as trying to levitate pentagon or la « nuit des barricades. »

I had been at both events and unfortunately the old hippie revolutionaire mentality has never left me. So because of this I was very much sadden when I visited the Occupy mouvement in NY when the idiots had a moment of silence for the human garbage called Steve Jobs. I am sure that even Abby Hoffman's ghost called it quits at that moment.

Any respect or hope I had for this generation left me that day. As I am certain that it did for the most die hard drugged hippies still hanging around from the sixties.

I know I am what is called jaded but from what I am seeing the majority of people today are weak and illiterate self-absorbed morons that paradoxically believe themselves to be super intelligent and super great.
which is ironic.

cause you see something, make an assumption and conclusion based on what you see in more than three different locations

and then consider your assumption fact.

enjoy your retirement

we won't.

notinmybackyard 10-25-2013 11:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19848007)
which is ironic.

cause you see something, make an assumption and conclusion based on what you see in more than three different locations

and then consider your assumption fact.

enjoy your retirement

we won't.
Who said I am retired and I have no idea what you are trying to tell me.

tripplexwebcams 10-25-2013 11:28 AM
Interesting article :)

2012 10-25-2013 11:33 AM
who loves ya baby
 
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Yanks_Todd 10-25-2013 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19846183)
That is absolutely one step to far. I don't get too ballistic about the NSA monitoring. Maybe I should, but I have always assumed electronic communication would be scanned at a base level for "red flags". However spying on other leaders of friendly countries is just embarrassing.

_Richard_ 10-25-2013 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 19848021)
Who said I am retired and I have no idea what you are trying to tell me.
no one did, you said you were of the hippie generation, which means you retired in 10-20 years?

there is a good chance our generatino is looking at a 80-100 retirement.

http://www.generationme.org/genmetitle.jpg

http://ed_wp-content_v2.s3.amazonaws...00-600x400.jpg

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...8dOexAG4OScFDw

three 'separate' sources, making it a 'common idea'.

however :) you really wanna split hairs on who is more self involved, lets talk about the generation who is leaving 948 billion dollar deficit

Barry-xlovecam 10-25-2013 12:06 PM
This whole thing is a big can of worms.
 
Here is another link for you ...

So, no of this matters ??? :upsidedow

Trading off NSA privacy breech concerns:

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Firefox Plug-In Shows Who Is Tracking You
http://www.cio-today.com/news/Firefo...d=12100EMH35UQ

[T]here have been a few clunky tools providing similar services in the past, but Lightbeam appears to be the easiest way to see who is tracking you. Lightbeam provides information in various ways but all of it is in real-time Relevant Products/Services.

Privacy Concerns

Cookies placed on someone's computer by an advertiser may well be beneficial from a business perspective. However, with many of these same companies potentially working with the National Security Agency, Internet users are concerned about their browsing habits being released to a government agency.

At the same time, some people simply dislike the idea of being tracked at all, even if it is only for advertising purposes. With Lightbeam being incredibly easy to install and use, it may finally allow people to take some level of control over their online privacy by knowing who is tracking them and when they are doing so. ...

notinmybackyard 10-25-2013 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19848050)
however :) you really wanna split hairs on who is more self involved, lets talk about the generation who is leaving 948 billion dollar deficit
I am never going to retire because I do not want to. And I certainly agree that the "me generation" were self-absorbed and stupid. Fortunately I am not the "me" generation but the "Woodstock" generation and I am also not from the United States. However if you want to discuss the generation that most fucke the United States that would be the World War 2 generation led by its nazi architect Henry Kissinger.

But none of that takes away from the facts that today's youth are beyond the stupidity of the "me" generation's Disco Duck mentality or that the Occupy mouvement was nothing more than a pathetic joke.

Nikki_Licks 10-25-2013 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19847079)
it's ok man.

American Gladiator is on.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Paul 10-25-2013 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 19847849)
no, they don't...and your posts is illogical...
According to the BBC Horizon - Defeating the Hackers there's a pretty good chance they do

You can watch it here, interesting show

Also explains how Quantum cryptology works at minute 32.17

Sarah_Jayne 10-25-2013 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19846974)
jesus motherfucking christ... would you please stop claiming that?

his docs show that the UN building was wiretapped which alone already is in fact breaking international laws
You know that you can't really make the blind see, right?

_Richard_ 10-25-2013 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 19848337)
that the Occupy mouvement was nothing more than a pathetic joke.
Quote:
Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 19848005)
what I am seeing the majority of people today are weak and illiterate self-absorbed morons that paradoxically believe themselves to be super intelligent and super great.
yes, i see.

oppoten 10-25-2013 08:28 PM
They'll always spy on German leaders. In their eyes, history jusitifies it, and heaven forbid any European should stand in the way of their quest for world domination.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...rael-documents

Meanwhile, they're trying to push through for increased surveillance of European citizens, or at least the next phase of it.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/for...-of-intolerant

Big G, and big F, are fully complicit in this, let's not kid ourselves. They seek to control the web because it's currently the one aspect of media where they can't control the message.


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