FIDDY Beaner Revolutions.

Here's what I know about Join pages: Paully and Beaner are both correct, in their own way.

Beaner does pre-Join page, then initial price up top, rebill price down below. Paully does non-recurring but his signup process is a little more cluttered.

Join forms: Keep them as simple as possible. It's perfectly fine to say up top $24.95* then down below *rebills at $24.95 as long as the font isn't tiny.

I don't like pre-Join forms. I consider them 'speed bumps' to Joining. But many do so it obviously works, for some. How a Join page is displayed is very important but also how many join choices there are, too. For my sites I found more Join options tended to either scatter sales across billers (not raising sales, which was the point) and rebills crashed dead. I can probably improve in this area if I could find a way of displaying the other Join options without overwhelming the potential Member.

Rebills vs. No Rebills is interesting. I can add only this: rebills only = chargebacks rising. "Oh shit I forgot to cancel that Membership!" and it's straight to Visa to complain/chargeback.

@ Beaner

Don't feel sorry for Max. He's making monies. You should try it out. Maybe you wouldn't be such a whiny billing trolling bitch. Maybe it's not about gimmicks it's about substance. And you my friend have none.

Blame everybody else when your shit doesn't sell.

Let's see what happens in a month or 2 when your feeling the love from your own pompous behavior.

Oh and he's reading. He thinks your a bigger jackass than I do.

My first option is monthly recurring. http://www.max-hardcore.com/join.php

Paully, do you go out and get retarded and then come on here?

Your first option is a trial... you even say *on the button* $3.95 trial - $24.95 30 days.

It's like the stupid just took complete control over you... I mean that... really fucking dumb shit you are doing.

You dont get the concept of 3.95 trial then 24.95 a month. I convert 1:158 with multi month billing smartguy. Was 1:90 when it went straight to the join page but then look at my sales after May when I added multi month non recurring options.

What your saying is you are an idiot that obviously can't keep up with my surfers. Thats the math.

Unfortunately, you are wrong. You have been given a gold mine and you know nothing as far as converting. Your stats are simply the name... your awful site, your lack of understanding of sales, will be the barrier to full potential.

But you are what you make it... and don't get me wrong, I am still blown away by those monthly new sales. I think your site sucks, you join process terrible, and you are using third parties which suck as well.

But carry on... I could make Max site billing 100K/month... and next year, you will be in the same spot. So congrats :thumbsup

You started out with amazement then left in disgust. Just like every other bitch I knew.

Its not about the bling it's about the content and transparency.

Trust me or don't. Your blown away by new sales when we use Zombaios join page?

They dont care about the join page as long as it looks safe and professional and Zombaio and most other billers do that.

Tell me what does your join page say in German? Spanish? French? Canadian? just kidding. My point is you have a long way to go. So until then STFU;)

If you were smart this is what you would have asked for. Cancel stats. They have decent weight in my day to day.

http://i43.tinypic.com/e1axpc.jpg

Show me your stats. Lets check 'em out.

your stats are unbelievable for today's market
maybe because of your brand
anyway... wishing you the best with those. keep going

Thank you sir. Much appreciated.

Paully

Beaner why don't you show us some numbers from your site? This is it right: http://www.judoporn.com/

I am sorry but this made me laugh :1orglaugh

I can see both sides of the non recurring option and rebill option as the porn nerd pointed out.
I have seen benefits of both options and drawbacks for both.

Nice and respectable numbers Paully, and definitely nice overall improvement with our numbers Beaner!

You guys both should be commended for your successes.

You both prove that the bottom line is doing whatever works well for each individual setup, and no one outside of yourself can ever tell you what works best for you.

Only you know what works best for you, and that is how you must proceed if it falls on death ears so mote it be.

yes show us please, business thread of the month :thumbsup

quoted fore tooth :thumbsup

I chuckled as well... not that long though.

I've spoken with Paully on the phone before about his program.

I would like to say 2 things:

1) It was exactly your comments about hiding a recurring charge that pissed me off and
2) I apologize for whatever posts after that were likely out of hand. I do not hide the recurring charge, I do not participate in x-sales, and I publicly speak out about those that do.

It is simply what I have discovered over the years (since 2008) that every step of the way must be perfect or your sales will be affected.

And just try, try to listen to me. This price description up top is hurting you BIG time:

Todays charge is: USD $3.95 for 3 days period. Membership renews automatically at USD $24.95 after 3 days unless cancelled, then at USD $24.95 every 30 days until cancelled.

It could be done so, so much better. You don't hide any terms, you say everything you need to, you just don't do it like worded above. It is the plan (MONTHLY, TRIAL, 3 MONTH, etc.) and then it is the price they are paying on the very day. The terms can be right below it, can be beside it, can be anywhere as long as a reasonable person could understand them.

You cannot control that though, because, you are partnered with a company who decides that for you.

That is all I'm saying.

ok, so no stats ?

All this talk and no actual walk.

I think he walks in circles

After I apologized to you... really?

Fucking A... I will post the increase in sales and I hope you have an orgasm. Jesus your an asshole.

Whoa whoa whoa buddy. Gonna post stats ?

same for us!!!:(

Seriously man, the way you've been going on and on about this I would really like to see some numbers (not that generic mainstream thing you showed)

That site barely gets 500 clicks a day lol

Beaner post some evidence. Before and after of these incredible sales increases you generate.

I actually fully believe Beaner's numbers, his increases, but I think a longer view is needed here. Plus (as I mentioned earlier) there is a HUUUUUGE differance between going from 5 - to - 10 sales a day and going from 40 - to - 80 sales day. Volume matters because this will factor into how much effort one is willing to put into increasing sales through Beaner's method (merch account).

Conversion increases are great regardless but let's also note that Sara's site has 3 things going for it that can help skew numbers (and not necassarily translate to other sites unlike Sara's):

1. She is an "amateur" and that's a very specific market.
2. She's working in a niche that is highly specific with a loyal fan base who know what they want.
3. Sara interacts with her Members, even on the phone, so has a personal connection to her Members. This is rare and hard to do long-term as anyone who's worked with models knows. LOL

I don't know Sara's niche so I would be terrible at giving advice on how to increase sales for her operation. But likewise this goes the other way: all this crowing is great for Sara (her site and ego) but since we would mostly likely not see similar results it's really wasted crowing. What is working for her I am guessing would not work for others who promote more generic content.

Maybe Beaner's numbers and methods would work for others outside of Sara's niche, too, who knows?

Mr Porn Nerd, now there is an assessment I can agree with 100%.

Our set up is unique, our niche is unique, and therefore it is not wise to assume that every site will see instant increases with Beaner's set up.

I do have a very loyal following, and fans who seem to support me unconditionally.

I am capable of generating transaction every single day, and that is not ego but just factual statement.

My main argument around here has been that 3rd party billers for whatever yet to be disclosed reason were not giving me my full potential of transactions, and whatthey were giving me has not even been close compared to what we have seen since Beaner's new set up.

I feel some what vindicated because for years when I suggest a biller could be holding back sales most in here reacted childishly beligerant and called me a bunch of names.

Now we have concrete proof that what I was saying was correct. Billers can and do affect sales, whether by grudge, by self preservation, by statistics what ever the reason some billers can exercise their ability to shut on or off your sales.

To not understand this fact makes you a moron and idiot in this industry. Can I get an amen on that???

I don't ever want to see or hear another clueless moron telling anyone around here that it is impossible and bad business for a biller to limit or restrict your sales.

By making these assertions we are challenging the entire industry current view point and perception of the health of the industry.

Is it dead or is it not...

are ratios 1/10000 because they are or are billers playing cutsie and taking advantage of a moronic and anti intellectual adult industry?

These questions will be answered in the fullness of time.

It is not your sales that count.... it is WHO COUNTS YOUR SALES!

Then he must have some awesome ratios :)

3 pages to learn that sales are better if you don't use a 3rd party biller - really? 1 sentence covers it.

ps swirlsgirl: a harder scrub does not mean anyone is out to defraud you, intentionally give you less sales, nor any other of the absolute nonsense you embarrassingly spew out. What this has shown is that you can scrub your own transactions as you see fit. Come back when you do millions of sales per DAY and let us know how your manual scrub is going. How you can't comprehend that that scale absolutely requires an automated scrub process is truly beyond me. Stick to content, because you know fuck all about anything else. I know jack shit, yet I'm a fucking genius next to you.

There is NO conspiracy to get you, or any other person using a 3rd party biller less sales. Your responses in this thread and the other one, like you have uncovered some huge secret and are doing the I told you so dance, are embarrassing to read.

(The following is my opinion as an observer of this post - opening a site soon, so I do a lot more reading than posting. I like to see who knows their stuff.)

Dont think he will show his stats. He's just wants to see everyone else's to try and figure out what he's doing wrong I think (just my opinion so don't start with the name calling crap).

What I can say is he's known for 2 sites to my knowledge. Saraswirls that he took over last year maybe and a new one judoporn. both have horrible alexa ratings. judoporn goes to a generic ccbill join page, so his whole argument in this thread doesn't even matter. I believe he is only talking about saraswirls site, which is a really high alexa and not much traffic.

Like porn nerd said "HUUUUUGE differance between going from 5 - to - 10 sales a day and going from 40 - to - 80 sales day". I think beaner/saraswirls is only getting a handful a day, if that, on saraswirls site. I say that because of comments saraswirls makes:

Saw many other comments similar to that over the last months.

If she was making 5-10 sales a day, then she wouldn't be making comments like that, where she's bragging about not having a zero sales day. More realistic is her site going from 2 to 4 sales a day, that's doubled.

Dont think beaner is all wrong though, his join page is nice but think maybe he just a good designer not a good traffic guy.

It's amazing that you would even think that posting a screencap of your actual new sales and rebills was in the best interest of the guy that owns it. We even talked on the phone and with all the bullshit from past you def. wanted to stay low key.

Posting a screencap was likely one of your dumber moves.

I will post percentage increases, and I've been saying this all along, I believe the rebills will be much better. I saw the same thing in mainstream. And those rebills, have not started coming in yet. 3rd of November will be when they start.

The money is ALWAYS in the recurring model. I've said so, never steered from it, and will say it again. That is also just my experience since 2008. I feel like i'm just saying the same thing over and over, it is rather clear to me you have no intention of believing anyone except yourself. That is fine. But when you have less recurring then new sales, that is a big red flag. And you should approach that and figure out why.

@Jel: For sure... targeted niche traffic and cams are 2 separate animals. I have been saying, as you have, you can control that with your own merchant account to accommodate exactly your needs. That, and of course the flow, the look, and all that other good stuff.

So, no stats?

I've said straight up... I want to test this site, get results, and go into the billing business. I think it is a void that can be filled. I think people are not given the tools to setup their own merchant account, the resources in general to do it, and I ask myself why?

Why could I easily setup a merchant account without any issues and see such dramatic increases on my mainstream sites? Yet adult... it is 3rd party is your option unless you are a baller.

You control your own account, you control your money flow. It's elementary concepts, that currently in adult, are typically not feasible. Or people just don't think they can do it, or whatever.

Ohh... I'm no designer, not what I have ever done. But Sid70 did the designs, here was my post in his thread:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1119478&highlight=sid70

Hey know it all ass munch yes you insulted me so fuck you is absolutely in order. The insults will never stop so it is what it is.

Now to your point....when a cheesy rat filthy parasitic middle man reports to you a transaction is declined....when it was actually approved....then pocketing the money from your customer and reporting to you a decline when they should have reported an approval.

That is defrauding...that is billing fraud....that is exactly in no uncertain terms what happened to one of my loyal customers and that is one of several reasons why my trust with 3rd party billers is forever ruined.

I know what I know, I know that there is no way that 3rd party billers would ever disclose to this industry of many morons their secret at skimming and shaving from their clients.

No Tavis Terdbergenstein from easycheesyratbilling.com is not going to walk in to gfy and say hey Swirlsgirl you unconvered one of our tricks...you got us fair and square...

Not going to happen....but all I can do is share what I know to be fact. Fact is as Beaner mentioned the increase in percentages was in fact very damning.

When a cheesy rat parasite tells you emphatically that stats are working and they tell you this while you are on the phone with them and you are clicking on broken stats then they are defrauding your intellect and insulting your intelligence.

I don't know how you can be the 3rd party billing public relations officer when you don't know jack shit about middlemenry.

The fact that my sales are converted into short term loans while *processed* and sold back to me at 15% means some one is definitely defrauding my common sense.

The concept of 3rd party billers is a fraud....a 3rd party biller creates nothing they simply take what is already in existence and insert themselves in the transaction equation to ensure they are always in the sequence and flow direction of monies.

We pulled down the 3rd party billers at beginning of october and the results were startling and quite infuriating at the same time.

You cannot explain a 350% instant increase in transactions by not having control over scrub you gentle symbiotic dumb fuck

You cannot increase your sales 3-4 x by turning off a fucking scrub.

Scrub alone does not explain a tripling or quadrupling of transactions.

If you want to blame it on scrub then you are worse than the fucking fraud deparment professional scrubs!

you're a fucking idiot, shut up.

here's a post of mine from 2005:

Same site, switched to it's own billing. 900% increase. Down to basically, turning off a scrub.

Really, just stfu, and stick to content.

so 900% less sales with a 3rd party biller

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Well then obviously I owe an apology to you and the industry....I made the miscalculation of thinking you can triple or quadruple your sales by not using a 3rd party biller.

According to this post...you can increase your sales up to 9 times by dropping 3rd party billers well I suppose you just confirmed it for us.

The secret is out 3rd party billers are able to see to it that 800% of your sales do not reach you the website owner
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

christ you are dumb...

Let's start a pool on how long it takes for them to lose their merchant account due to cc fraud and charge backs.

I'm in at 7 weeks.

Paully, I've never watched any of Max's videos before. But I have heard your voice on the phone. When I do decide to watch one of his videos, I will either make the connection that you are him, or you are the grunt worker behind it.

If you are him, then motor on. If you are the grunt (which I believe is true), then you are doing him an enormous disservice by your posts in this thread, and likely more to come.

What do you want to bet about cc fraud and charge backs? And remember, I have had my own mainstream merchant account for years, offer a free trial, terms similar, and not once has fraud been an issue. Sure, chargebacks happen, but they are not relevant or at a level which is concerning.

Month started way up, then chilled out for a bit, now solid again. Best month ever= No Kicking the shit outta September= Yes

I'm not Max. Soooooooooooooooo, no stats ?

I don't know where you're getting this Max low profile shit. Max is anything but low profile.

I just don't understand you. On one side of your mouth you're calling me out about my numbers and telling me you know better and he can do better and then you say you're blown away at our joins etc... I show you proof, that's credible. Then you still claim you can make it even better because we don't know what the fuck were doing.

I say we because theres 2 of us.

I tried to let this thread die but you kept on with your condescending attitude.

You want to start a billing company? Start with some credibility and right now you have none.

Show stats bitch

I said I would, and I will. I will show percentages. And I want to show them after first month of rebills. Sales have def. picked up, I'm not lying.

Why don't you pick on Jel for the next few rounds? He said it about as simple as it goes.

What is your bet in 7 weeks I will lose merchant account due to fraud and chargebacks? Now I am asking you to put your money where your mouth is. I will bet 10K, deal?

I think Jel and I are both wondering why you talk out both sides of your mouth

Fuck off for the night... have some banging to do.

It is *both*, don't let that get in the way.

Conjure your thoughts up, figure out what I have contradicted myself on, and post it again and again. Do it in a new thread if you want... I'm sure you have nothing better to do anyway.

When I see your response, I will simply respond and shut your trap up. If you continue to banter about stats... please refer to these comments... the only people who have access to my database:

And then obviously Sara.

I def. don't want to post any physical numbers, because people like yourself will get hardons for it. I want to show percentage of increase, and you carrying on about posting the numbers sickens me. It almost makes me feel like Barefootsies is privately emailing you to say that over and over. Either that, or you just are dumb. I told you, I am interested in percentage increase of both revenue, and sales.

So please keep this going... will return much later to clean it all up again. :thumbsup

Tbh I think beaner is a good guy - he deserves to be made a saint just for putting up with swirlsgirl - but beaner: what I think you're not factoring in, is if you become a 3rd party biller, doing millions of sales per day, you can't help but have automated processes in place, ie scrub settings & anti-fraud settings that yes will lose sales.

I genuinely hope your plan regarding billing for adult comes to fruition, and you can offer 4-5% processing fees, I'll be one of the first to get on board - but... when your volume increases to the level of eg ccbill, you a)won't be able to sustain 4% fees, and b)be able to manually oversee every transaction.

What I'm saying is yes of course people are losing money with 3rd party billers - I don't think anyone on this board who isn't very new doesn't already know that. My 'issue' if you like, is that dumb fuck sara not understanding the difference between needing a fairly hard scrub when processing millions of transactions per day in a high chargeback environment, and being conned/stolen from. But like I say, she's a dumb fuck, so I really shouldn't be so surprised, or let it bother me in the slightest - that's where my own dumb fuck-ness comes in, but I'll be rectifying that right after I hit the reply button.

Anyway, good luck with your plans for a billing solution :thumbsup

Makes sense your in the cuckold game beaner, a liar and a schemer

@jel

It is a gateway i want to create. For each is own. N
But anyone can join and they will have consultation available. This 3rd party stuff is bullshit.

Only reason i am posting is bc i am walking dog. I must, must not post again.

Go with Netbilling. Talk to Mitch. This beaner guy is flying his fukn retard flag and proudly.