ahh I must be old, I remember 1999 and money just wouldnt stop.

I'm good

Dating + Cams is the only thing that sells, otherwise forget about this business completely.

In Mainstream, Casinos + Sports Betting.

The switch has been turned off... oh shit, just realized I got rid of third party billers and the switch hasn't been shut off in 20 days ;)

Sales are good, same same. Slight growth like when I see Sara Swirls getting bred by homeless people or when I see beaner claiming his scrub is the shit after a month of playing the third party biller role him self.

That was funny, just admit it

i confirm that Oct is shit

everyone who's selling paysites at least with 100+ joins/month and saying different is a lie. i see statistics for myself and thousands of referrals. Oct is way down

October gonna beat my September like a thieving red headed bitch.

please stats and your sales scale

53,776 uniques 340 new sales 1:158 total conversion Recurring at 79% although I dont trust the recurring number. The rest are just math.

Not gonna buy a yacht just yet but maybe a shitty little boat

I should tell you that's organic and just a few referrals maybe.

I believe this, we do thousands a month have done for years and this is a bizarre month compared to octobers past, wasn't expecting a downturn on september but it's definitely there.

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1. I don't get this. If a site converts then who cares if it's ccbill, epoch or another biller-based affiliate program. How can Epoch-sites be irrelevant??? It's about what converts and not how many sites are in a biller-based affiliate-program! Could it be that you actually trying to say that your amount of traffic is irrelevant and that it is a "reaching minimum pay out" problem? What else would make epoch-sites irrelevant? Epoch is Top Notch; constantely improving and now paying webmaster via paxum!

2. I don't work offline jobs. I'm doing this fulltime. 80 hours per week! I'm not getting rich here. But, I can make a humble living out of it with only 6000 daily visitors to my site and are able to invest slowly in shooting new content for two new sites (which is fucking expensive.) So... that means that I am growing instead of declining and having to look out for a offline job!

3. Good for you:thumbsup

4. Ok that's nice... but if ccbill is not the problem and conversions are 10 times worse then last month, then what could be the problem? I'm selling 20% more then last month so no way that it can be explained with people not paying for porn anymore.

These are the posted numbers of september of one of my affiliates:

Affiliate programs

Bondage Bank nats 1:234
Struggle 4 Bucks epoch 1:475
Kind Cash epoch 1:1297
Queen Snake epoch 1:1656
Fetish Wealth nats 1:4388
NBB Cash ccbill 1:3602
DDF Cash nats 1:2690
Fuck You Cash nats 1:1725
Kinkster Cash nats 1:3595
Kinky Dollars nats 1:14091

Epoch and Nats-sites in the top 5! Where are the ccbill-sites?

Good luck to you anyway!

Another one of my affiliates:

Struggle4Bucks - 1:732

Captured Snapshots - 1:1053

Kinkster Cash - 1:1192

Bondage Bob - 1:2050

Kinky Dollars - 1:2051

MasterA Cash - 1:2175

Bound By Bhowani - 1:2246

Dungeon Bank - doesn't pay anymore, not recommended for promotion

Again... where are the ccbill-sites?

September was hurting after August sales but Oct is making up for it. And Sept. drop was minimal. We may not be in the big boys club but thats why our numbers might be more usefull.



Paully

Struggle4bucks got it figured out. Work hard. Then work harder.

Sorry, my apologies, global media must be wrong and you are right...

Public staff weren't paid for two weeks. Therefore less money.

3rd Quarter 2013: $355,000 in profit.

October 2013: $150,000 .. .Forecasting $400k for Q4.

All in 2013: $1.4m is on track.

Mainstream IT sales. Its what's up....

A little bit better than last month

how do you mean who cares? I do, as tons of affiliates. If I have 40 blogs network , I want to collect money as fast as possible. this means I don't want to spread revenue on dozen sponsors (nats, mpa 3 ,etc..) and always have some "virtual" money. this was biggest mistake and once I've dropped most of sponsors that are taking care about payments on their own, revenue became stable. So me, and many affiliates are going to choose to promote sites that will send them money as fast as possible. As far as I see, epoch have only 4...yeah four, femdom sites to promote. On my personal list of sponsors, I have more then 150 sites from ccbill suitable for my blogs. Since logic is to diversify and offer variety of sites, only logical conclusion is to choose ccbill if I want to see my money fast. Otherwise, every sponsor have own payment rules, methods...fuck that,maybe bigger affiliates can handle that shit but I can't . I am also promoting Verotel but they are fucked up and now most of sites dropped them and I need to go through my network and delete those sites and I am also promoting Inet cash sites because there is plenty of femdom sponsors.

Also, I don't want to give any special exposure to any sponsor because often ,sponsors or sites go down. And then what? I need to take down complete sites filled with their content? Also, I saw so many times that sites are converting good in the beginning and then suddenly stop once they are available all over.

Sure, conversions were much better when I was running pay sites compared to affiliate stats, but by using Nifty Stats I can compare any period during last 7 years (from time when I stepped up in this business) and there were bad periods but somehow at the end, conversions are more or less, the same.

If guy above from blue pixels profits confirmed what I've said for this month and together with other webmasters (affiliates and site owners) that means that something is wrong here and it is not about CC company. I won't tell what people I am talking about since I don't have authorization to give info about their business.

In this moment I am at 1:10021 which is total disaster and started being like that from the beginning of this month (few days before, I think).There is no chance that people decided to lost interest in niche precisely on october 2013 so I am trying here to hear opinions what is going on.

October 2012 - 1:1195
October 2011 - 1:1092
October 2010 - 1:995
October 2009 - 1:1138
October 2008 - 1:1411
October 2007 - 1:1439

Yes I know that I can get better conversions from my traffic if I redirect to specific sites ( I have precise list of sites converting 1:400 and other converting 1:2200 but I've explained how I am maintaining stability through diversification through years ). Now, going 1:10k is crazy and fucked up shit completely.

Little slow this week but Oct. started out like a house of fire.

Federal workers who usually jack off at their desks were home in front of their big, strong, fat, short-haired DC wives and didn't want to get their pasty feminine asses beat, and federal contractors, the only ones with money, actually did get laid off for a few weeks and couldn't buy.

I guess you know who your markets are now.

same as september, below average though.

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I like Struggle4Buck's work ethic and overall attitude - work harder, work smarter, but never ever stop working - because it is my own. :) But also we must remember we're comparing apples and oranges here.

Niche sites (kink, BDSM, etc) have a very differant audience than "mainstream" porn does. Max Hardcore has a name (brand) and following so Paully's numbers look about right. Beaner just started his own merch account setup so initial results are fantastic but time, chargebacks, fickle banks and other issues may (and I hope not) cause him trouble in the future. Mr. Deitz sees Programs from ALL niches and has a wider perspective. I run my own highly unique paysite network, not really comparable to other people's businesses.....

So what does all that mean? It means "sales are up" for one person/business does NOT mean "sales are up" for someone else who's promoting something completely differant.

Conclusion: threads like this are, ultimately, useless.

Carry on. :D

Programs put the shavers on for extra xmas monies.

That is out of this world numbers. I read them last night and blew me away. Those numbers are 40K per month numbers. Are you sure when you checked stats you didn't include your rebills also?

Everyone can increase their sales. That is no lie... not just the design, look, strategy of a site... but also the final billing solution. I am not new to this... have been collecting money (and living off of websites) since 2010. I offer a free trials that converts to paying on mainstream... I do know what it takes to make, or break, the process.

Just an FYI... You might want to remove the link to your affiliate program in your sig, then. You still have a CCBill program, yet when you enter your CCBill referral code, it goes to a non-CCBill join page. Good way to piss off affiliates. (Unless I'm seeing it wrong. If so, my apologies.)

Yes, you are off.

We could make it much more clear but has not been our focus. All affiliates are now paid through No Limits. CCbill is simply the affiliate signup process. We sweep that information and send directly into sliiing admin and we never look back.

We should reprogram so affiliates can signup without ever seeing a ccbill signup form... that is in the works.

Yeah, more clear is a good thing. I went to see about signing up for your program because we have cuckold traffic, and noticed it was a CCBill program (which I like). So, I checked your CCBill referral code tour for traffic leaks, etc., and noticed it didn't even go to a CCBill join page.

No mention of Sliiing, No Limits (whatever that is), or anything else EXCEPT CCBill on your affiliate page.

I'll check back in a few weeks to see if it's all straightened out.

u guys are beating a dead horse. porn is dead. its done. cams / dating will still do okay but analog porn videos are finished

give it up and concentrate your efforts on mainstream

LOL, exactly what I said, but your way is funnier :thumbsup

This month was actually was good at the beginning, but, last few days are horrible.
We get 15% of sells, WTF.

That's new sales and we are definitely not doing 40K a month but we will. Again not sure exactly how they calculate retention as I don't see it that high. I think maybe they figure new sales for the month over all recurring sales in their retention formula which is misleading to me or I just don't know.

We had lots more new sales better than 1:100 but after adding multi-month joins we saw that drop a bit and gladly so.

interesting reading

been reading this since 2006

Paully no offence, but can you please post your stats screenshots?
thx

Sure, 268 new sales/206 rebills as of today. Gonna need to block out some shit but Ill put up my stats as of today when I get a minute.

Here are those numbers, and they are just my experience. 340 new sales in 21 days extrapolates to 486 new sales. Rebills need to be average of 2 more months... so when everything caps out you are at 486 + 972 = 1458 sales per month.

$30 a pop... that's $43,740 per month. I understand multi-months etc. are in the mix, it is just general averages. Each new join, on average, is great to try and get $90.

These ratios you are talking are much better then previous... what changed to get such a dramatic increase in conversions? Because really, nobody is seeing those conversion ratios. Do you have 1,000 people a day searching for *Max Hardcore*?

2300 or so uniques a day give or take. You do understand we have a trial join for 3.95? Maybe half(A little better)roll over to a full join but that fluctuates. We also charge 24.95 a month recurring. Also I said 340 new sales a month. Just over ten a day. As of today we have 268 new sales and 206 rebills for the month.

We also didn't charge as much in the beginning and we offered huge discounts for early signups when we were still getting things going. Anyways we aren't doing 43k a month. That's for damn sure.

Nothing changed and I aint bullshitting. The new sales did drop off after I added multi-month options. But thats good. I would rather have a customer pay 3,6 or 12 months in advance every time.

Ahh... misread then your first page post. Either way, those conversions are killer. I'm not sure how many months you are in now but the only numbers that don't look sexy are the rebills, and that just may be because you are still growing them.

It is something I have noticed. 2008/2009 rebills were much better with 3rd parties, up to last month they really seemed to suck. 1:1 ratio type thing.