China Declares it's Time to 'De-Americanised' World Finance

[Barefootsies]

Good job republicans.

Beijing (AFP) - While US politicians grapple with how to reopen their shuttered government and avoid a potentially disastrous default on their debt, the world should consider 'de-Americanising', a commentary on China's official news agency said Sunday.

"As US politicians of both political parties (fail to find a) viable deal to bring normality to the body politic they brag about, it is perhaps a good time for the befuddled world to start considering building a de-Americanised world," the commentary on state news agency Xinhua said.

In a lengthy polemic against American hegemony since World War two, it added: "Such alarming days when the destinies of others are in the hands of a hypocritical nation have to be terminated.

"A new world order should be put in place, according to which all nations, big or small, poor or rich, can have their key interests respected and protected on an equal footing."

Negotiations over how to end the budgetary impasse have shifted to the US Senate after House Representatives failed to strike a deal with President Obama on extending borrowing authority ahead of an October 17 deadline.

Beijing has in recent days issued warnings as well as appeals for a deal, all the while emphasising the inseparable economic ties that bind the world's two biggest economies.

"The cyclical stagnation in Washington for a viable bipartisan solution over a federal budget and an approval for raising debt ceiling has again left many nations' tremendous dollar assets in jeopardy and the international community highly agonised," said the commentary.

China is the biggest foreign holder of US Treasury bonds, worth a total of $1.28 trillion according to US government data.

"Instead of honouring its duties as a responsible leading power, a self-serving Washington has abused its superpower status and introduced even more chaos into the world by shifting financial risks overseas," but equally stoked "regional tensions amid territorial disputes, and fighting unwarranted wars under the cover of outright lies" the commentary said, referring to Iraq.

It added that emerging economies should have a greater say in major international financial institutions the World Bank and International Monetary Fund and proposed a "new international reserve currency that is to be created to replace the dominant US dollar".

China has only slightly more weight than Italy at the IMF, which has been headed by a European since its creation in 1944.

A governance reform has been in the works for three years but its implementation has been blocked by the effective veto of the United States.

SOURCE

[Minte]

The other side to that coin..

Obama, Pelosi & Reid are so bent on implementing this flawed healthcare law without any compromise beyond making closed door deals with their supporters they are willing to risk a global financial meltdown.


Good Job democrats..

[seeandsee]

China will lead world in future, because they will be 1st economy 2 steps ahead all

[Emil]

The next DealExtreme.com and all the factories will be located in USA. ;)

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by Minte

The other side to that coin..

Obama, Pelosi & Reid are so bent on implementing this flawed healthcare law without any compromise beyond making closed door deals with their supporters they are willing to risk a global financial meltdown.


Good Job democrats..

They will reach on agreement in the next few days and the dollar will appreciate, now is the time to buy $$$ and sell when it goes up. I will bump the thread when that happens jsut to say "I told you so." Of course, if the dollar goes down, I will not bump the thread at all ;)

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by Antonio

Of course, if the dollar goes down, I will not bump the thread at all ;)

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Minte

The other side to that coin..

Obama, Pelosi & Reid are so bent on implementing this flawed healthcare law without any compromise beyond making closed door deals with their supporters they are willing to risk a global financial meltdown.


Good Job democrats..

that's not how the rest of the world sees it (even if you might not care much about what they think)

they just see a bunch of angry tea baggers (since obviously a lot of moderate Republicans would be willing to end this farce) that risk a worldwide financial crisis over something that was put into law in a democratic process, that was deemed constitutional, that got the president reelected and that is something, that at least in civilized countries mostly everyone has anyways and appreciates (and could not imagine to live without it)

[Minte]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

that's not how the rest of the world sees it (even if you might not care much about what they think)

they just see a bunch of angry tea baggers (since obviously a lot of moderate Republicans would be willing to end this farce) that risk a worldwide financial crisis over something that was put into law in a democratic process, that was deemed constitutional, that got the president reelected and that is something, that at least in civilized countries mostly everyone has anyways and appreciates (and could not imagine to live without it)

Honestly, at this point I don't think anyone in the US cares what the rest of the world thinks. Depending on who you can believe, the larger percentage of US citizens are not behind this healthcare law.

In fact, the deep divide that exists between Obama and the republicans is all based around this healthcare law. The US would be a different and probably better place had the democrats not stuffed this down the republicans throats.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

that's not how the rest of the world sees it

they just see a bunch of angry tea baggers (since obviously a lot of moderate Republicans would be willing to end this farce) that risk a worldwide financial crisis over something that was put into law in a democratic process, that was deemed constitutional, that got the president reelected and that is something, that at least in civilized countries mostly everyone has anyways and appreciates (and could not imagine to live without it)

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Minte

In fact, the deep divide that exists between Obama and the republicans is all based around this healthcare law. The US would be a different and probably better place had the democrats not stuffed this down the republicans throats.

Much like the wars of the past decade pushed by republican agendas and bankrupting the country.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

ADG

[Minte]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Much like the wars of the past decade pushed by republican agendas and bankrupting the country.

The spin you put into that makes me dizzy.

and it's totally irrelevant to what is going on today. It takes 2 to play chicken and the democrats are not having any problems playing it.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Minte

Honestly, at this point I don't think anyone in the US cares what the rest of the world thinks. Depending on who you can believe, the larger percentage of US citizens are not behind this healthcare law.

In fact, the deep divide that exists between Obama and the republicans is all based around this healthcare law. The US would be a different and probably better place had the democrats not stuffed this down the republicans throats.

i don't know - i just see that Obama was elected twice with this as his top agenda point and that also enough democrats were elected to pass this law in congress and senate.

in most other countries the opposing party would now either try to offer a better alternative and win the next election to changes things - and if they don't win, they would accept that the voters have spoken.

which makes me question the legitimacy of "wars for freedom and democracy" when certain parts of the right wing politicians so obviously cannot accept democratic processes in their own country

just my 2c

[Minte]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i don't know - i just see that Obama was elected twice with this as his top agenda point and that also enough democrats were elected to pass this law in congress and senate.

in most other countries the opposing party would now either try to offer a better alternative and win the next election to changes things - and if they don't win, they would accept that the voters have spoken.

which makes me question the legitimacy of "wars for freedom and democracy" when certain parts of the right wing politicians so obviously cannot accept democratic processes in their own country

just my 2c

They can and do respect the process. The republicans are the majority in Congress. They are doing right now what they were elected to do. The democrats hold the senate. And they are doing what they were elected to do. The democrats lost control of the congress because of Obamacare.

[Markul]

How people can be against free healthcare is beyond me. It must be lack of knowledge or some kind of misinformation that causes people to take that stand. All research shows it benefits everyone in the long run. Look at northern europe for example.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by Markul

How people can be against free healthcare is beyond me. It must be lack of knowledge or some kind of misinformation that causes people to take that stand. All research shows it benefits everyone in the long run. Look at northern europe for example.

It isn't free. Not even close.

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by Minte

It isn't free. Not even close.

You are right it is not free. We pay NI out of our earnings to cover ourselves and anybody elses who needs healthcare. The contributions we pay out of our earnings are tiny and I wouldent have it any other way, because you know if you need to use it it's there.
When we lived over in South Africa I ended up in hospital at the age of 16 and had to have an operation which cost my parents a hell of a lot of money because they had no " Free health care" like we do over here in the UK.

We also have the choice of going private if we wish, It is a very good system for people who cannot afford to pay health insurance and you never end up with huge bills no matter what you go to hospital for. I dont mind paying a little of my earnings even if I raley use the hospitals at least I know somebody else who might need it can use it. Its all about give and take

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Minte

Honestly, at this point I don't think anyone in the US cares what the rest of the world thinks. Depending on who you can believe, the larger percentage of US citizens are not behind this healthcare law.

In fact, the deep divide that exists between Obama and the republicans is all based around this healthcare law. The US would be a different and probably better place had the democrats not stuffed this down the republicans throats.

obama ran and won with voters knowing his major undertaking would be healthcare...also its interesting how obama still has a higher approval rating than congress. it seems the people aren't impressed on how the republicans have chose to express their dislike of obama's healthcare plans.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Minte

The spin you put into that makes me dizzy.

and it's totally irrelevant to what is going on today. It takes 2 to play chicken and the democrats are not having any problems playing it.

it seems very relevant simply because they are ok with overspending tons of money on wars but not on something like healthcare.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

that's not how the rest of the world sees it (even if you might not care much about what they think)

they just see a bunch of angry tea baggers (since obviously a lot of moderate Republicans would be willing to end this farce) that risk a worldwide financial crisis over something that was put into law in a democratic process, that was deemed constitutional, that got the president reelected and that is something, that at least in civilized countries mostly everyone has anyways and appreciates (and could not imagine to live without it)

I think that the real majority of Americans see the real benefits to them in the Affordable Care Act, AKA: Obamacare.

That said, the debacle of the HHS's exchange website is inexcusable. There were many logical ways that this could have been handled, e.g.; phased in enrollment -- surname starting with 'A' day one, 'B' day two, ad infinitum. HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius should resign as she seems not to be up to the task.

The other part of the story is that a lot of people in the healthcare delivery and products, including big pharma, have gotten too fat making the cost of healthcare so high -- they are squealing like stuck pigs along with their stockholders. Hence, the big protest and now the stink of the political corruption as you see currently.

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

ADG

LMAO

Originally Posted by Markul

How people can be against free healthcare is beyond me. It must be lack of knowledge or some kind of misinformation that causes people to take that stand. All research shows it benefits everyone in the long run. Look at northern europe for example.

A lot of them cannot afford it and want themselves or their employees to have to use the "Federal Safety Net" extended to life-threatening emergency care that all federal payment hospital recipients (read: Medicaid and Medicare payments) are required to render by federal regulations and law.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Minte

The other side to that coin..

Obama, Pelosi & Reid are so bent on implementing this flawed healthcare law without any compromise beyond making closed door deals with their supporters they are willing to risk a global financial meltdown.


Good Job democrats..

Seriously quit with the retarded right wing knuckle dragging. No one thinks for two seconds that Obama is at fault for this shut down except you people whom live in your little right wing fairy land bubble.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

China will lead world in future, because they will be 1st economy 2 steps ahead all

China is in no better shape than the US their economy is held up by govt subsidies. They are scared of US collapse because they will fall further and harder.

[crockett]

I know this will fall on death ears of Minte and the others whom want to continue to blame Obama for the shut down.. However by the very small chance they actually want to educate themselves.. This is the latest way the Republicans in the house have not only block the vote to open the Govt but also blocked demoracy.



I'm sure Minte, Robbie and all the others will still find a way to blame Obama.. However for the rest of the world, this is the kind of shit Republicans are doing to keep the govt closed.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

ADG

Pay attention to that "both/all" cause we're the swing voters who put people in office. You "go team" party lovers no one cares about because you don't think and stand on the sidelines yelling names at each other. Bush was an idiot stooge and Obama, though an intelligent man, is a committed socialist. Between the two of them they took a surplus and turned it into a 15 trillion debt.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

that's not how the rest of the world sees it (even if you might not care much about what they think)

they just see a bunch of angry tea baggers (since obviously a lot of moderate Republicans would be willing to end this farce) that risk a worldwide financial crisis over something that was put into law in a democratic process, that was deemed constitutional, that got the president reelected and that is something, that at least in civilized countries mostly everyone has anyways and appreciates (and could not imagine to live without it)

I admire you but you can't seriously imagine you speak for the world? Also, you clearly don't talk to very many older people who lived under communism, do you? They love Reagan and hate Obama.

[MaDalton]

lol @ socialist - Obama would be considered right wing over here

which makes the GOP....

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

I admire you but you can't seriously imagine you speak for the world? Also, you clearly don't talk to very many older people who lived under communism, do you? They love Reagan and hate Obama.

i base my opinion on the various news sources over here - which are btw much less biased than FOX vs. MSNBC

You can find hardly one that speaks in favor of the current tea party hostage situation - especially over something like health care

but i am open to other opinions - i would like to read ONE article from a credible European news source that is in favor of the way the GOP handles the situation. Maybe someone can find me one.

but at the end it also has a positive side effect - now the European finance ministers don't have to listen to lectures from the US anymore about how they handle the Euro crises

(and i have no idea where you took the statistics from about Reagan/Obama)

[RandyRandy]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Much like the wars of the past decade pushed by republican agendas and bankrupting the country.

I'm with you on that. Now, why are we still in Iraq and Afghanistan?

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

China will lead world in future, because they will be 1st economy 2 steps ahead all

Please Go read up on your beloved China .

[RandyRandy]

Originally Posted by crockett

No one thinks for two seconds that Obama is at fault for this shut down. . .

He's not coming through unscathed.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybens...rcent-n1720138

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Minte

The other side to that coin..

Obama, Pelosi & Reid are so bent on implementing this flawed healthcare law without any compromise beyond making closed door deals with their supporters they are willing to risk a global financial meltdown.


Good Job democrats..

What flawed healthcare plan?

I have yet to see a negative aspect of it. Everyone I know is going to benefit from it, including myself.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i base my opinion on the various news sources over here - which are btw much less biased than FOX vs. MSNBC

You can find hardly one that speaks in favor of the current tea party hostage situation - especially over something like health care

but i am open to other opinions - i would like to read ONE article from a credible European news source that is in favor of the way the GOP handles the situation. Maybe someone can find me one. ...

We don't understand why you have 20%+ VAT taxes in Europe or the equivalent of $8.00 a gallon gasoline. Your governments must use this money raised in taxation for something ... I would contend that much is used for social benefits that you pay for indirectly.

From what I have seen, including my visits to the Czech Republic (the?LOL), the standard of living here in America I enjoy is at least as good as any place I have seen in Europe so far. However, we spend our money differently here and when I compare the slums of Europe to the slums of America I really don't see that much difference in healthcare access or its quality of the service, notwithstanding that healthcare services may be offered on a more egalitarian basis in many European nations.

The sad part in the United States, and this varies by the individual state's regulations and regulators, if you are an entitlement recipient ( a poor person -- public welfare client), you get full coverage medical insurance, i.e.; Medicaid, and have access to most normal medical care.

All of us taxpayers, according to our own incomes on a progressive basis, pay for these benefits to the "poor."

Where the problem lays is that many "working poor" those in America earning more than $15K per year (11.2K ?) get no welfare benefits or federally funded health benefits now -- that is why Obamacare was enacted. While these working poor pay little income taxes they do pay SE or FICA taxes that can amount to 7% to 13% (appx) of their incomes.

They will get government funded Medicare when they are 65 - 68 years-of-age -- they are paying into that pool while they work.

But meantime, they get the short end of the stick -- their earnings are not sufficient to pay for our healthcare costs here. Generous employers will offer a reasonable cost healthcare insurance to them -- for Business' it is a tax deductible expense in most cases.

For businesses, the problem is that global competitors (read:China and India as well as other players) do not have the costs of healthcare to absorb -- either people in those places die in the streets or receive government universal healthcare.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Minte

The other side to that coin..

Obama, Pelosi & Reid are so bent on implementing this flawed healthcare law without any compromise beyond making closed door deals with their supporters they are willing to risk a global financial meltdown.


Good Job democrats..

Lol! Not even close.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Minte

Honestly, at this point I don't think anyone in the US cares what the rest of the world thinks. Depending on who you can believe, the larger percentage of US citizens are not behind this healthcare law.

In fact, the deep divide that exists between Obama and the republicans is all based around this healthcare law. The US would be a different and probably better place had the democrats not stuffed this down the republicans throats.

Wrong again. Smart Americans and especially business owners really do car what is going on in the US. You seem to forget that you have trade partners all around the world, including right here in Canada, right here in this industry, and right here in this thread. The amount of batshit crazy going on in your country is making the world nervous, and trust me, alot of people in the states care what the rest of the world thinks.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by RandyRandy

He's not coming through unscathed.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybens...rcent-n1720138

Of course he's going to take a hit, just like anyone involved. However overwhelmingly the majority of people see this for what it is. The right is trying to hold the president and the economy hostage. Both sides are of course playing politics, but it's only the Republican majority whom can issue a vote to restart the govt.

Obama can't issue the vote and the Republicans have even blocked any ability for any congressmen to even try to force a vote as you can see in the video I posted. At this point the only person whom can issue the vote to restart our govt is John Bonner..

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

We don't understand why you have 20%+ VAT taxes in Europe or the equivalent of $8.00 a gallon gasoline. Your governments must use this money raised in taxation for something ... I would contend that much is used for social benefits that you pay for indirectly.

From what I have seen, including my visits to the Czech Republic (the?LOL), the standard of living here in America I enjoy is at least as good as any place I have seen in Europe so far. However, we spend our money differently here and when I compare the slums of Europe to the slums of America I really don't see that much difference in healthcare access or its quality of the service, notwithstanding that healthcare services may be offered on a more egalitarian basis in many European nations.

The sad part in the United States, and this varies by the individual state's regulations and regulators, if you are an entitlement recipient ( a poor person -- public welfare client), you get full coverage medical insurance, i.e.; Medicaid, and have access to most normal medical care.

All of us taxpayers, according to our own incomes on a progressive basis, pay for these benefits to the "poor."

Where the problem lays is that many "working poor" those in America earning more than $15K per year (11.2K ?) get no welfare benefits or federally funded health benefits now -- that is why Obamacare was enacted. While these working poor pay little income taxes they do pay SE or FICA taxes that can amount to 7% to 13% (appx) of their incomes.

They will get government funded Medicare when they are 65 - 68 years-of-age -- they are paying into that pool while they work.

But meantime, they get the short end of the stick -- their earnings are not sufficient to pay for our healthcare costs here. Generous employers will offer a reasonable cost healthcare insurance to them -- for Business' it is a tax deductible expense in most cases.

For businesses, the problem is that global competitors (read:China and India as well as other players) do not have the costs of healthcare to absorb -- either people in those places die in the streets or receive government universal healthcare.

i totally accept that people have different opinions on this topic - whether i understand them or not - but that's democracy

what I find weird is that it is possible that a small group of extremists is not able to accept their defeat and rather risks a financial meltdown than giving in.

Or that the rest of their party doesn't have enough balls to stand up against them

or that it is not possible to come up with a balanced budget in general

maybe they need to watch this movie

[potter]

Originally Posted by crockett

I know this will fall on death ears of Minte and the others whom want to continue to blame Obama for the shut down.. However by the very small chance they actually want to educate themselves.. This is the latest way the Republicans in the house have not only block the vote to open the Govt but also blocked demoracy.

I'm sure Minte, Robbie and all the others will still find a way to blame Obama.. However for the rest of the world, this is the kind of shit Republicans are doing to keep the govt closed.

To be fair, Obama has some blame in all of this - but not in the way right wingers will try to tell you. Obama is failing to be a good mitigater in all of this. As president, he *should* set aside any party affiliation he has and work to get both parties and the senate/house working together. Instead he is really pushing an anti-GOP agenda from the white house. While yes, the GOP is being some of the most immature politicians this country has ever seen by basically holding the American public and financial well-being of the country hostage. The president should be doing more to get the dems and pubs workign together to find a compromise in some form or another.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by potter

To be fair, Obama has some blame in all of this - but not in the way right wingers will try to tell you. Obama is failing to be a good mitigater in all of this. As president, he *should* set aside any party affiliation he has and work to get both parties and the senate/house working together. Instead he is really pushing an anti-GOP agenda from the white house. While yes, the GOP is being some of the most immature politicians this country has ever seen by basically holding the American public and financial well-being of the country hostage. The president should be doing more to get the dems and pubs workign together to find a compromise in some form or another.

I agree Obama shares some blame, but really would his involvement help? I think Obama kinda has to distance himself because the right outright hates him. It's clearly not just political agendas at play because Obama could say white the right will say black. Obama could then say black and they would say white.

Whatever the rights issue is with Obama, be it racism, them being sore losers or thinking he's a evil socialist, there is really nothing he can do to appease the extreme right. Personally I think Obama should have used Biden more in this and used the vice pres as middle man.

[- Jesus Christ -]

I love watching statists yapping like anything they say matters.

The free market is coming to wash you away. The violent force of government coercion will be shed like a snake skin.

If you continue to hang on to force as a means of redistributing wealth you will suffer.

[potter]

Originally Posted by crockett

I agree Obama shares some blame, but really would his involvement help? I think Obama kinda has to distance himself because the right outright hates him. It's clearly not just political agendas at play because Obama could say white the right will say black. Obama could then say black and they would say white.

Whatever the rights issue is with Obama, be it racism, them being sore losers or thinking he's a evil socialist, there is really nothing he can do to appease the extreme right. Personally I think Obama should have used Biden more in this and used the vice pres as middle man.

It's funny you mentioned Biden (I was literally discussing all of this with someone at the bar on Friday). What Obama should be doing is positioning himself as a mitigater and not taking sides, and showing the public he is doing everything in his power to get them working together (Thus making what the GOP is doing seem even worse, and perhaps even so to some of the right wingers, and distancing himself from the problem). Biden is the one who should be taking up the anti-GOP stance and talking about the evils of their doing to the public. It's been done in the past (especially by right wing presidents when the Democrats have cornered them) - the president puts himself in a non-affiliated position, acts like he's doing everything in his power as a mitigater, and then his pupils within the administration do all the one-sided publicity stance stuff.

btw - it's very stupid "mitigater" isn't a real word

[Minte]

Originally Posted by crockett

Of course he's going to take a hit, just like anyone involved. However overwhelmingly the majority of people see this for what it is. The right is trying to hold the president and the economy hostage. Both sides are of course playing politics, but it's only the Republican majority whom can issue a vote to restart the govt.

Obama can't issue the vote and the Republicans have even blocked any ability for any congressmen to even try to force a vote as you can see in the video I posted. At this point the only person whom can issue the vote to restart our govt is John Bonner..

They are not trying to hold the country hostage. They are holding the country hostage.

Where is the leader in all this. He is right there playing chicken with Boehner.
Obama's position...fuck you. I won't talk about anything until I get what I want.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by **********

Lol! Not even close.

If you were half as smart as you think you are you wouldn't be working for someone else.

Go back to highschool and get your diploma.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Minte

They can and do respect the process. The republicans are the majority in Congress. They are doing right now what they were elected to do. The democrats hold the senate. And they are doing what they were elected to do. The democrats lost control of the congress because of Obamacare.

The Congress is composed of the House and Senate. The Republicans hold the majority in the House and the Democrats hold the majority in the Senate.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Minte

They are not trying to hold the country hostage. They are holding the country hostage.

Where is the leader in all this. He is right there playing chicken with Boehner.
Obama's position...fuck you. I won't talk about anything until I get what I want.

Guess what Boehner.. Lost once again.. Obamacare is here it's not going away because of this shutdown..

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Good job republicans.

I take it you didn't read your own reference.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

"As US politicians of both political parties (fail to find a) viable deal

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by crockett

Seriously quit with the retarded right wing knuckle dragging. No one thinks for two seconds that Obama is at fault for this shut down except you people whom live in your little right wing fairy land bubble.

Minte is obviously a smart guy. But he really does look like a big retard when he posts in these political threads.

[mafia_man]

Originally Posted by Minte

The other side to that coin..

Obama, Pelosi & Reid are so bent on implementing this flawed healthcare law without any compromise beyond making closed door deals with their supporters they are willing to risk a global financial meltdown.


Good Job democrats..

It is flawed. They should have just implemented medicare for all.

[theking]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Minte is obviously a smart guy. But he really does look like a big retard when he posts in these political threads.

And you obviously are not a smart guy...now isn't that true thief?

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by theking

And you obviously are not a smart guy...now isn't that true thief?

I love when I get under your skin.

[theking]

Originally Posted by candyflip

I love when I get under your skin.

Do not think you are special...sport...I will admit that all thieves get under my skin.