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Old 10-11-2013, 10:18 AM   #1
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swirl removal machine

currently bringing back to life a very neglected 15 year old guitar


before, covered with scuffs, scratches, haze and massive swirlies.



major scratched here:



using meguier's #9 and meguiar's ultimate compound, i alternated applying both and began rubbing out the damage.



you can begin to see the difference here, this is after ~30 applications of each product:
( i had to restring the guitar and play it mid-restoration!!)






after 50+ applications of each, the major scratches are mostly gone, this is using a lot of elbow grease:



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this is ~60 applications of both compounds and 3 layers of carnuaba wax:

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Old 10-11-2013, 10:21 AM   #2
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Is that an original ES335?





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I use Maguires products on my Truck and bike all the time, I trust it
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You sure to know how to make things shine. Why don't you try that shit on my bulbous cock shaft. I bet you'd make it really pretty after trying 300 applications. I bet you really know how to work it baby.
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Looks awesome Dyna...look into Poorboysworld - BlackHole. Itll give that paint depth its never had before. Highly recommended!
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Is that an original ES335?





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i wish! it's an epiphone casino, the guitar john lennon made famous.

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I use Maguires products on my Truck and bike all the time, I trust it
i wasn't sure about how it would work on a guitar finish but i am impressed after giving it a whirl.
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You sure to know how to make things shine. Why don't you try that shit on my bulbous cock shaft. I bet you'd make it really pretty after trying 300 applications. I bet you really know how to work it baby.
i don't know what to say here but i was quoting everyone else and didn't want you to feel left out.

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Looks awesome Dyna...look into Poorboysworld - BlackHole. Itll give that paint depth its never had before. Highly recommended!
hey, super, was interested in something like this, checking it out now.
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Thats after blackhole
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wow, impressive. i've heard of the dark paint waxes, etc, but have no experience with them, looks like that blackhole has a 5 oz trial size, perfect!

edit, crap, $9 shipping! hah.
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Thats after blackhole
Phil, do you put layers of wax over this? how many applications of this do you go with?
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This is the process....swirl mark remover, polish, blackhole, wax. I use synthetic waxes which are also known as sealants. Only 1 or 2 applications is needed of that type of wax. Black hole is 1 pass and youre golden...by hand it may take a couple of applications.
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I use the leather wipes on my interior and all the leather on my bike, really adds to the richness of the leather on my Le Pera seat
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This is from using the "black box" product, specifically for black cars (pics taken right after):






This is from a detailer using a clay bar, about 3 days later, after I had put handprints, etc, all over it:

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This is the process....swirl mark remover, polish, blackhole, wax. I use synthetic waxes which are also known as sealants. Only 1 or 2 applications is needed of that type of wax. Black hole is 1 pass and youre golden...by hand it may take a couple of applications.
gotcha, thx. i need to add the polish step. q- since i applked a few layers of carnuaba, do ineed to remove those to polish?

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This is from using the "black box" product, specifically for black cars (pics taken right after):






This is from a detailer using a clay bar, about 3 days later, after I had put handprints, etc, all over it:

farck, that looks real nice, it's insane (and rare) to see the incredible reflections that a nice black paint polished up and waxed gets!
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You should strip the carnuba first....some dish soap and warm water should do the trick.
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oh, and i would not want to remove this level of damage from a car paint job! wow, that would be a job. i'm sure with a orbital it would cut down the # of applications but let's say it cuts it 75%, that's still a dozen applications!

that's a shit ton of work.
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oh, and i would not want to remove this level of damage from a car paint job! wow, that would be a job. i'm sure with a orbital it would cut down the # of applications but let's say it cuts it 75%, that's still a dozen applications!

that's a shit ton of work.
You would only need 1 application per stage with the porter cable I use. When i first purchased my car it looked like your guitar before you restored it. The entire thing was hazed and hologrammed, practically looked gray in the sunlight. Took about 8 hours from start to finish, now its just upkeep.
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You would only need 1 application per stage with the porter cable I use. When i first purchased my car it looked like your guitar before you restored it. The entire thing was hazed and hologrammed, practically looked gray in the sunlight. Took about 8 hours from start to finish, now its just upkeep.
now you tell me!

i almost went with some attachments for my drill but figured it would not necc fit into all the nooks and crannies anyhoo. and not being orbital was a concern.
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I have a random orbital buffer...the chances of creating more swirl marks or burning the paint is almost impossible. With those drill attachments you can burn the paint or swirl it much easier, same as a rotary buffer.
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Thats after blackhole
still impressed!
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Hahaha its a very tedious process but when your car looks like glass its all worth it. And 9 times out of 10, as soon as your done it starts to rain.

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Hahaha its a very tedious process but when your car looks like glass its all worth it. And 9 times out of 10, as soon as your done it starts to rain.

the reflections a properly waxed-up black paint job achieve are mond-blowing! all the colors.

this guitar is an archtop so it gets a lot of different reflections from various angles, i'll upload some more snaps.
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i like where it's going but judging by Phil's car and Edgeprod's car, i still have a ways to go.

i'm going to go with a few more applications of the swirl remover, then polish, then black hole and cover it up with the wax! i think it has the quality paint and clear coat to really be something.
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gotcha, thx. i need to add the polish step. q- since i applked a few layers of carnuaba, do ineed to remove those to polish?

farck, that looks real nice, it's insane (and rare) to see the incredible reflections that a nice black paint polished up and waxed gets!
I polish a bare surface -- no wax. I clean have them clean it (two bucket method), strip the wax, clay bar, polish, wax, and then seal. I did it myself ONCE ... 6-7 hours..

I used to be very image-conscious, needed the nice cars all polished up. Got kind of obsessed with it for a while.
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I polish a bare surface -- no wax. I clean have them clean it (two bucket method), strip the wax, clay bar, polish, wax, and then seal. I did it myself ONCE ... 6-7 hours..

I used to be very image-conscious, needed the nice cars all polished up. Got kind of obsessed with it for a while.
my next car will be white so i can drive it through the wash and be done with it!
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I used to be very image-conscious, needed the nice cars all polished up. Got kind of obsessed with it for a while.
I know that feel edge! Detailing is an OCD's nightmare
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I know that feel edge! Detailing is an OCD's nightmare
someone should start up a guitar detailing gig. imagine getting a few clients with 30 guitars.....

i'm pretty surprised by the maintenance required but i guess it makes sense, peeps putting their grubby mitts all over a guitar day in and day out- all that grease and grime. and it seems peeps throw guitars around a lot too.
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now you tell me!

i almost went with some attachments for my drill but figured it would not necc fit into all the nooks and crannies anyhoo. and not being orbital was a concern.
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