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dyna mo 10-11-2013 10:18 AM

swirl removal machine
 
currently bringing back to life a very neglected 15 year old guitar


before, covered with scuffs, scratches, haze and massive swirlies.

http://i.imgur.com/xHmUv0l.jpg

major scratched here:

http://i.imgur.com/1ctYGNO.jpg

using meguier's #9 and meguiar's ultimate compound, i alternated applying both and began rubbing out the damage.



you can begin to see the difference here, this is after ~30 applications of each product:
( i had to restring the guitar and play it mid-restoration!!)

http://i.imgur.com/3ROtLnL.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/VVmg1H8.jpg


after 50+ applications of each, the major scratches are mostly gone, this is using a lot of elbow grease:

http://i.imgur.com/kOIFzqj.jpg

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this is ~60 applications of both compounds and 3 layers of carnuaba wax:

http://i.imgur.com/5qZpL2N.jpg

sperbonzo 10-11-2013 10:21 AM

Is that an original ES335?





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Vendzilla 10-11-2013 10:23 AM

I use Maguires products on my Truck and bike all the time, I trust it

Harmon 10-11-2013 10:24 AM

You sure to know how to make things shine. Why don't you try that shit on my bulbous cock shaft. I bet you'd make it really pretty after trying 300 applications. I bet you really know how to work it baby.:2 cents:

Choopa Phil 10-11-2013 10:25 AM

Looks awesome Dyna...look into Poorboysworld - BlackHole. Itll give that paint depth its never had before. Highly recommended!

dyna mo 10-11-2013 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19831260)
Is that an original ES335?





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i wish! it's an epiphone casino, the guitar john lennon made famous.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19831265)
I use Maguires products on my Truck and bike all the time, I trust it

i wasn't sure about how it would work on a guitar finish but i am impressed after giving it a whirl.
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Originally Posted by Harmon (Post 19831269)
You sure to know how to make things shine. Why don't you try that shit on my bulbous cock shaft. I bet you'd make it really pretty after trying 300 applications. I bet you really know how to work it baby.:2 cents:

i don't know what to say here but i was quoting everyone else and didn't want you to feel left out. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choopa Phil (Post 19831273)
Looks awesome Dyna...look into Poorboysworld - BlackHole. Itll give that paint depth its never had before. Highly recommended!

hey, super, was interested in something like this, checking it out now.

Harmon 10-11-2013 10:32 AM

"super" duper

Choopa Phil 10-11-2013 10:42 AM

http://s21.postimg.org/4uv4k3lon/blackhole.jpg

Thats after blackhole :)

dyna mo 10-11-2013 10:50 AM

wow, impressive. i've heard of the dark paint waxes, etc, but have no experience with them, looks like that blackhole has a 5 oz trial size, perfect!

edit, crap, $9 shipping! hah.

dyna mo 10-11-2013 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choopa Phil (Post 19831300)

Phil, do you put layers of wax over this? how many applications of this do you go with?

Choopa Phil 10-11-2013 11:05 AM

This is the process....swirl mark remover, polish, blackhole, wax. I use synthetic waxes which are also known as sealants. Only 1 or 2 applications is needed of that type of wax. Black hole is 1 pass and youre golden...by hand it may take a couple of applications.

Vendzilla 10-11-2013 11:09 AM

I use the leather wipes on my interior and all the leather on my bike, really adds to the richness of the leather on my Le Pera seat

edgeprod 10-11-2013 11:29 AM

This is from using the "black box" product, specifically for black cars (pics taken right after):

http://i.imgur.com/Myyl4tI.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MFC3Rc1.jpg


This is from a detailer using a clay bar, about 3 days later, after I had put handprints, etc, all over it:

http://i.imgur.com/EJ7WQM3.jpg

dyna mo 10-11-2013 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choopa Phil (Post 19831341)
This is the process....swirl mark remover, polish, blackhole, wax. I use synthetic waxes which are also known as sealants. Only 1 or 2 applications is needed of that type of wax. Black hole is 1 pass and youre golden...by hand it may take a couple of applications.

gotcha, thx. i need to add the polish step. q- since i applked a few layers of carnuaba, do ineed to remove those to polish?

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 19831384)
This is from using the "black box" product, specifically for black cars (pics taken right after):

http://i.imgur.com/Myyl4tI.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MFC3Rc1.jpg


This is from a detailer using a clay bar, about 3 days later, after I had put handprints, etc, all over it:

http://i.imgur.com/EJ7WQM3.jpg

farck, that looks real nice, it's insane (and rare) to see the incredible reflections that a nice black paint polished up and waxed gets!

Choopa Phil 10-11-2013 11:40 AM

You should strip the carnuba first....some dish soap and warm water should do the trick.

dyna mo 10-11-2013 11:40 AM

got it, thx

dyna mo 10-11-2013 11:43 AM

oh, and i would not want to remove this level of damage from a car paint job! wow, that would be a job. i'm sure with a orbital it would cut down the # of applications but let's say it cuts it 75%, that's still a dozen applications!

that's a shit ton of work.

Choopa Phil 10-11-2013 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19831408)
oh, and i would not want to remove this level of damage from a car paint job! wow, that would be a job. i'm sure with a orbital it would cut down the # of applications but let's say it cuts it 75%, that's still a dozen applications!

that's a shit ton of work.

You would only need 1 application per stage with the porter cable I use. When i first purchased my car it looked like your guitar before you restored it. The entire thing was hazed and hologrammed, practically looked gray in the sunlight. Took about 8 hours from start to finish, now its just upkeep.

dyna mo 10-11-2013 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choopa Phil (Post 19831420)
You would only need 1 application per stage with the porter cable I use. When i first purchased my car it looked like your guitar before you restored it. The entire thing was hazed and hologrammed, practically looked gray in the sunlight. Took about 8 hours from start to finish, now its just upkeep.

now you tell me! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

i almost went with some attachments for my drill but figured it would not necc fit into all the nooks and crannies anyhoo. and not being orbital was a concern.

Choopa Phil 10-11-2013 12:02 PM

I have a random orbital buffer...the chances of creating more swirl marks or burning the paint is almost impossible. With those drill attachments you can burn the paint or swirl it much easier, same as a rotary buffer.

dyna mo 10-11-2013 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choopa Phil (Post 19831300)

still impressed! :1orglaugh

Choopa Phil 10-11-2013 12:14 PM

Hahaha its a very tedious process but when your car looks like glass its all worth it. And 9 times out of 10, as soon as your done it starts to rain.

http://i41.tinypic.com/nzm5xu.jpg

dyna mo 10-11-2013 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choopa Phil (Post 19831449)
Hahaha its a very tedious process but when your car looks like glass its all worth it. And 9 times out of 10, as soon as your done it starts to rain.

http://i41.tinypic.com/nzm5xu.jpg

the reflections a properly waxed-up black paint job achieve are mond-blowing! all the colors.

this guitar is an archtop so it gets a lot of different reflections from various angles, i'll upload some more snaps.

Choopa Phil 10-11-2013 12:27 PM

Postem up!

dyna mo 10-11-2013 12:39 PM

http://i.imgur.com/IdVSOym.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/il4jhR7.jpg

i like where it's going but judging by Phil's car and Edgeprod's car, i still have a ways to go.

i'm going to go with a few more applications of the swirl remover, then polish, then black hole and cover it up with the wax! i think it has the quality paint and clear coat to really be something.

dyna mo 10-11-2013 12:43 PM

john lennon on his casino!

http://www.americanmusical.com/Galle...H1_M-Large.jpg

edgeprod 10-11-2013 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19831398)
gotcha, thx. i need to add the polish step. q- since i applked a few layers of carnuaba, do ineed to remove those to polish?

farck, that looks real nice, it's insane (and rare) to see the incredible reflections that a nice black paint polished up and waxed gets!

I polish a bare surface -- no wax. I clean have them clean it (two bucket method), strip the wax, clay bar, polish, wax, and then seal. I did it myself ONCE ... 6-7 hours..

I used to be very image-conscious, needed the nice cars all polished up. Got kind of obsessed with it for a while.

dyna mo 10-11-2013 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 19831492)
I polish a bare surface -- no wax. I clean have them clean it (two bucket method), strip the wax, clay bar, polish, wax, and then seal. I did it myself ONCE ... 6-7 hours..

I used to be very image-conscious, needed the nice cars all polished up. Got kind of obsessed with it for a while.

my next car will be white so i can drive it through the wash and be done with it! :1orglaugh

Choopa Phil 10-11-2013 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 19831492)
I used to be very image-conscious, needed the nice cars all polished up. Got kind of obsessed with it for a while.

I know that feel edge! Detailing is an OCD's nightmare :1orglaugh

dyna mo 10-11-2013 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choopa Phil (Post 19831526)
I know that feel edge! Detailing is an OCD's nightmare :1orglaugh

someone should start up a guitar detailing gig. imagine getting a few clients with 30 guitars.....

i'm pretty surprised by the maintenance required but i guess it makes sense, peeps putting their grubby mitts all over a guitar day in and day out- all that grease and grime. and it seems peeps throw guitars around a lot too.

PiracyPitbull 10-11-2013 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19831423)
now you tell me! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

i almost went with some attachments for my drill but figured it would not necc fit into all the nooks and crannies anyhoo. and not being orbital was a concern.

Dual action is the only way to go with polishing machinery :)


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