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I did get your point the first time around.

Apparently you missed mine.

You blame the American consumer for creating a need for and perpetuating the existence of Wal-Mart type establishments that sell cheap shit goods made overseas from exploited labor.

Wal-Mart has a fare share of entry level minimum wage workers.

You yuck it up about who is and who is not knowledgeable of employing entry level minimum wage workers here in this forum, in this topic.

The vibe I get from you is that Wal-Mart can't exist without labor exploitation, labor at dirt rock bottom wages, labor working in unsafe conditions, etc etc i.e. corners cut and shortcuts taken for the sake of maxizimized profits.

So, do you approve or disapprove of the Wal-Mart business model that Squealer approves of, who wants his goods kept at their low prices rather than be raised in correlation with a raise in minimum wage levels?

Because it sure sounds like you approve, but don't want to acknowledge Wal-Mart HQ itself is also responsible for Wal-Mart type establishments .......?

Just trying to feel out what your opinion is, since you didn't volunteer it.

I think that guy and signupdammit are really just trolling the thread at this point.

In signupdammit's post, that seems to be his new objective once he stopped making any money in adult was a mix of trolling and bawling about how he can't make any money. Oh wait, and also saying anyone and everyone claiming they are making money online is lying. I guess his position is that since he's failed, we all have failed to adapt and stay ahead of the curve.

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That, L-Pink .... and you seem to be the one the few people here willing to actually participate in a give and take of opinions in what is mostly a one sided discussion spawned by someone cutting bait and chumming the waters.

I've employed 100's of entry level workers in my life. The majority weren't worth minimum wage.

You have the old world apprentice system where some gave their time to learn a trade. You have college where you give money to learn a trade.

You also have minimum wage workers that show up ignorant of skills, not taking the job seriously, looking for something easier to do after the first hour, etc, etc. It's the rare instance you find one that is worth a shit. That person can eventually be elevated to a better position and more money. 95% can't.

In fact the constant turn over and training costs, having to OVERSTAFF because of no shows, late arrivals and those with a grandmother dying every week and needing time off raise your overhead for that category of labor far, far above their starting wages.

Anyone disagreeing has never had entry level workers and is just dreaming about the perfect world that is just around the corner if only the government would just ?..


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Correct on all accounts.

If you've built a business yourself, you're not in a hurry to give handouts to the lazy. Additionally, you realize many (not all) will do the minimum amount of work to collect a paycheck, hence are paid minimum wage. If you want to be paid more, learn a skill, trade craft, or put yourself in a position to be worth more to the employer. They will inturn pay you more to keep you.

Yes. I live in Florida and we haven't recently had a minimum wage increase here yet the food prices are constantly increasing. That is one thing about Capitalism. Prices aren't set exclusively according to cost rather they are set according to what the market will bear or in other words what people are willing to pay. Sometimes things like this only give some businesses a great excuse to take advantage of the situation. When you have roughly half the population who will believe it (for political reasons) that only helps. It reminds me of how AVS was marketed in the early days. The official line was that we had to charge in order to verify that the surfer was an adult. Of course that was 90% bullshit. We wanted the money. :)

Go into a busy fast food location during a meal rush. They are generally overstaffed in case 2-3 decided to take the day off. Some are grab-assing, trying to look cool, flirting with coworkers, etc. How much do those nit-wits cost the others that are working hard?

I gave my entry level workers health care after 60 days. A handful qualified every year because of the turnover rate. I'll never forget one guy we gave a hefty raise to, even paid for his families health care. He quit for a half dollar more somewhere else with no benefits and no overtime because "it paid more per hour". Idiot took home less per week and had no health benefits. Didn't give even a days notice or want to discuss his offer. Just quit. This is the mentality employers deal with.

One way to award good workers was guaranteed overtime. But facts are facts, few taking entry positions want, are capable of or even half try to better themselves. They just muddle along and quit, get fired, get caught stealing, fake injuries and rinse/repeat with another employer down the street.

A minimum wage worker that takes his job seriously, works hard, learns, wants to improve himself and his company is what every employer dreams about. When an employer finds one believe me he makes an effort to keep him. The rest, just more shoes to eventually refill.

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Then with all due respect what does that say about your job performance in employing them in the first place and your worth as an owner or manager?

People disparage these workers and say they aren't worth minimum wage but if that is the case why would they still remain employed? It makes little sense. And don't say there aren't enough workers. Real unemployment is at least double digits in most areas of the country.

No. Everyone who disagrees just doesn't agree with you. That's all it means. I don't think anyone is saying all entry level workers are good.

I'm also smart enough to have only skilled technicians, college graduates as salesmen and managers of the stores I owned.

Just how would you have me instill the attributes needed to be a valuable member of society into someone looking to start at ground level and be incapable of moving up? How would you have me make someone show up for work, and be on time if he did?

BTW, I started for the parent company in the lowest level grunt position after high school and worked up thru the company, running numerous locations to the point investors gave me money to open franchises of my own. I started as a minimum wage worker. I just didn't act like one. And soon I wasn't one. Pretty simple.


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Thank you for the reply.

From my experience, the lower the wage offered, the less reliable the applicant is that you attract.

Again, from my experience, minimum wage outfits like Wal-Mart / Sam's club are purposefully staffed at the bare minimum necessary and the employees are left to pick up the slack when others break, lunch or don't show at all. Some are expected to cover multiple departments in normal situations.

Ever try to get new tires at one of these places? Imagine one person in the auto shop changing tires while covering the phone and writing up work orders at the service desk that is located on the other side of the observation window, all the while having no one in the back of the store where the tires are located to field customer sales questions. Now add to that, being told you can't work the overtime necessary to service all the customers waiting in line as the store is 1 hour from closing for the night. The start pay for a tire/battery installer in 1991 was $7 hourly.

Needless to say, it wasn't long before I jumped ship at the opportunity to work my ass off for someone else offering a higher wage for an appropriate amount of work expected of one individual that incidentally was not a skilled labor position.

I'm no genius, barley graduated from high school, but I showed up for work, early. Worked hard, took an interest in doing better, learned the business. Was trustworthy, did my drugs at home, never showed up drunk. Went from grunt to sales, to asst mgr, to mgr of shit locations, to mrg of the biggest and busiest locations, to regional manager, to store owner, to multiple store owner. Was such a good store owner was elected president of franchise steering committee for over 200 locations. Made a shit load when company was sold.

So yea, I know about grunts working for minimum wage. My starting pay was irrelevant because I sure as hell wasn't going to be at that level for long. For those that can't move up for one reason or another that are still excellent employees of course they should make more. Most will. But the ones that don't want to work hard and contribute? Doesn't matter what you pay them they won't be worth it.


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I've always gone from unskilled position to unskillled position, from pumping gas for $3.35 when I was 16 to $20 being a Jack Of All Trades with great benefits, bonuses and retirement accounts. The laziest motherfuckers who worked while they were drunk and were earning more than me were always friends and family of the bosses that never got disciplined.

$8 hourly to flip burgers while some ahole who could have been our president gets paid how much to play video poker? In 2013? LOL Life is too unfair and too short to work for some cheapskate cunts lavishing greedy cunts with millions in bonuses.

Yeah the rich are leaving in droves, thats why home prices are exploding OVER the million dollar mark
http://www.zillow.com/local-info/CA-...-value/r_4281/

http://www.zillow.com/local-info/CA-...value/r_26374/

uh huh http://www.zillow.com/local-info/CA-...value/r_47583/

Uh, I know from LIVING here, with the jammed pack traffic for hours and hours a day, rents and home prices are through the roof, restaurants are a 90 minute wait, you can't get a studio in my area for $1,300/month or a home under $700k, and that's a shit hole home, Gas and food prices are very high, and people pay it to live here.

I dont know what survey you're looking at, but where I live its jammed-fucking-packed, and expensive as hell because there's lots of people and money here to support it.

* Even McDonald's means opportunity if you work hard.

"Many hourly employees have advanced to become restaurant managers, Owner/Operators, regional or division staff members and corporate employees. In fact, 70 percent of restaurant managers, 33 percent of Owner/Operators and 50 percent of McDonald's corporate employees started as crew."

* A job is what you make it and advancement is up to the individual who doesn't feel the world owes him a living.

"McDonalds trained one out of every 12 working Americans. McDonald's work experience teaches skills and values that last a lifetime. Employees gain skills that are required in many professional positions, including teamwork, customer service and leadership. As employees excel at McDonald's restaurants, they learn how to supervise others, communicate effectively and manage finances."

* Sure you start at a minimum wage but you are also PAID to have a chance to learn and advance. College students pay to learn job skills and then start looking for a job saddled in debt for a decade or longer.

* Flipping burgers is an ENTRY LEVEL JOB that gives a hard worker a chance. It's NOT a career.


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A friend of mine is getting his degree. He finds the grocery business interesting and he is a bold type of guy. He goes and speaks to his local kroger GM. The GM gives him the name and number of the guy who recruits potential managers. He tells him now since you dont have experience, he may try to get you be a cashier. He said dont do that because you will be forgotten. No start there and you can work your way up. lol
This country thrived with a strong hard working middle. They dont want to be super stars or kings of the world. They want to do an honest days work for a honest days pay and go home to their family. Everyone cant be a star somebody has to be in the chorus.
and this is not an entitlement culture. You actually had more entitlements back in the day ,much cheaper college and if you got a degree pretty much the guarantee of a career. If you didnt have a degree, you could get a job that made you a living that you could take care of your family,you got a pension when you retired and if you didnt steal you had a job for life. Now they feed you the bullshit because someone has a iphone and wants a living wage(if you know your history min wage was once a living wage) The entitlement word is thrown around which is such bullshit, we actually live in a time with the least entitlement. lol

Average mcdonalds manager makes just over $40k. Work your way up to barely anything

Incorrect.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4126233n

Ask anyone who is a business owner or who has to hire people this day and age about the quality of labor and their work ethic of the candidates available on the market. You will find that the article above more a less sums up the general experience of what's going on today.

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Here in the Midwest in the New Millenium, where the cost of living is more down to earth and the locals have at least one foot grounded in reality .......

We have these new fangled things called Employee Owned Businesses, where even cashiers start at $12 hourly in chain grocery stores that have lower prices for higher quality foods and 50X the selection of both the Super Wal-Mart and your local Mom & Pop market combined. If you wanted to make this a career, you get stock in the company after 3 years.

What's the deal here, you may ask? How is that even possible, you incoherently mumble?

Well, you remove from the equation the hack who wants to slash labor and benefits so he can impress the shareholders and net himself a 4th property with an inground pool, hot tub, top shelf liquor and hookers.

A $8 minimum wage will get you about 2.25 gals of gasoline for an honest hour's labor. The federal minimum wage of $3.35 would get you 3.75 gals 25 years ago, when you could actually find used cars for a few hundred dollars that got better gas mileage than most new models produced since.

Now that job seekers can go onto the Internets to research nationwide past and present realities, any employer who FAILS to make adjustments for the rising costs of living is less likely to attract any dedicated workers willing to better themselves. You are more likely to attract disabled veterans, potheads, children and senior citizens wishing to complement their social security.

If it bothers you that people want to be paid an appropriate wage for an appropriate amount of labor in order to afford an appropriate amount of necessities in the appropriate location, I suggest you go back to Gilligan's Island for another 25 years and have a fourway with Mary Ann, Ginger and a coconut.

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19802896&postcount=14

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Wow.

You are really out of touch with reality and this topic if you think I give a shit about some failed protest movement.

Feel free to keep on chumming the waters, Mate!

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Now here is some interesting reading material for you.

Nuff said. :winkwink:

but on the upside cally does run money making industries out of the state :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh