Originally Posted by iwantchixx (Post 19799787)

Getting all your panties in knots over nothing...

Minimum has been over $10 here for ages and nobody closed up shop anywhere over it. Prices just increase and people pay the prices.

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19799780)

Anyway It seems as if some people can only feel better about themselves when they put down others.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19799797)

Where?
And how do you know that nobody closed the shop? You mean nobody from the shops you frequent maybe?

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19799801)

A week ago you were defending that Damian/Markham guy DVTimes for what YOU felt was people being rude or talking down to him despite no one really was. Now you're off defending the fry cooks. It seems a recurring theme here with you since you've become bitter about the fail in the adult affiliate game over the past year.

One of these days you're going to find more productive ways to spend you time other than fighting with complete strangers on the web, defending other strangers you've never met, arguing with PR Glen and alike because they have a differing opinion and focus on your business.

Once you actually achieve some level of consistent success, only then will you truly understand.

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19799805)

Why so angry anyway?

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19799808)

I am not angry. I am making a simple point, along with a few other business owners in this thread, that most of you guy have no idea what the TRUE COST of a pay raise or employee is. Here is a link example for your pleasure to educate your brain.

The 'real cost' of an $8.50/hour employee to business = $13.51/hour

http://www.employ-solutions.com/RealCosts.asp

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19799808)

I am not angry. I am making a simple point, along with a few other business owners in this thread, that most of you guy have no idea what the TRUE COST of an employee is nor appreciate the ripple effect. Here is a link example for your pleasure to educate your brain.

The 'real cost' of an $8.50/hour employee to business = $13.51/hour

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19799801)

You should spend more of your anger and energy on your business, then you would have more success and less fail to be negative and bitching about daily.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19798373)

You, like all other poor people have no real clue how business works. The added costs are ALWAYS passed to consumers. YOU are paying for the pay raise... not the "evil corporation". Fucking moron.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19798421)

It works quite well for those that actually adapt. Not so well for dipshits who are in a perpetual state of befuddlement at the fact that money isn't just falling out of the sky.

We all understand that a high minimum wage is very important to you, _Richard_ and signupdamit. When you have no skills, no education and no real ability to make money in the very business you've been in for years... the future has to look pretty bleak. Add on top of that your mom bitching that you didn't make your bed, your dad threatening to throw you out of the house and add to that, the constant worry of your bicycle getting stolen and life has to be pretty stressful.
:2 cents:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19798432)

Print these threads out so you have something to amuse yourself when waiting in line, applying for food stamps and welfare or so you have something to keep you laughing in between Johns you are sucking off at the park to make ends meet.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19798523)

These issues affect everyone. (except Canadians... though that never stops _Richard_)

These issues are about what we expect of people. What society expects of people. What standards a society has. What standards a society wants to hold its people to.... and what we expect of each and every person. The "American Dream" was never "get a low paying job and then demand more from society".

The message "hey no-skilled assholes who have no value in the workplace because you have no skills, experience or education - you deserve more". is not a great message. I will pay for it directly with higher costs. I will pay for it indirectly as we continue to create a society that - instead of demanding the best effort from everyone and that expects everyone to strive for greatness is slowly being replaced with self entitled idiots who know absolutely nothing about how the world works and believe they need to be rewarded for non-achievement.

The message should be "you need to keep moving up. You need to keep working harder. Keep improving your skills. You need to keep improving your education and INCREASE YOUR VALUE in the workplace. Not simply demand more for a job you shouldn't be doing for more than a year anyway... because its not a career, nor was it ever meant to be"

I am not uber wealthy. I don't try to be. I try to enjoy my life. I don't think I am better than anyone because of my bank account. I think I am better than those who don't try.. because I and those I choose to surround myself with, do.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19799128)

Yes, rich people are to blame for your lack of value in the work place. Rich people are to blame for your lack of skills. Rich people are to blame for your lack of education. Rich people are to blame for your inability to better yourself. Everyone is to blame except you.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19799750)

What a horrible fucking message to society to sit and argue that the guy washing the lettuce shouldn't be expected to move up in life, improve his skills, his education and job, he should just demand more money for washing lettuce. Thats how the USA will remain an economic super power. By vilifying success and those who work 80hrs a week and risk it all... and instead letting the inmates run the asylum. Makes perfect sense.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19799751)

And now... what the fuck. Fast Food in the USA is a life long career - not a first job. Not a temporary measure. Go team.

Time to learn Chinese. You people are fucked and you are dragging the nation down with you.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19799702)

Its best to speak percentages when speaking about matters like this. Its whole 25% increase. Pretty huge.

Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 19799850)

33.3% increase :2 cents:

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19799860)

from 8 to 10 as far as I read in this thread :)

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19798472)

In ideal world. In reality - there are not enough of quality people to fill all the job openings. Meaning that some percentage of work force do not even meet minimum wage requirements, but there are not enough of people to replace them all.

Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 19799741)

The average mcdonalds worker is 30 years old. Considering they employ 760,000 people in the US that is a lot of failures.

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19798323)

What's funny is California is so diverse, not just with its people but also its geography. The farming valleys are absolutely massive and make up a huge part of the country's agricultural output. Raising minimum wage in poor valley towns to make up for the high cost of Los Angeles living does not make much sense to me? basically sounds like the inner-city politicians have way more power than the rural politicians (which I would guess is fairly common), but those rural businesses are certainly going to take a hit.

They should put up a new sign on the Tijuana entry. "Hello migrant workers, we welcome you!"

On the bright side, this could spur technological innovations. Speed trains to bring in workers from Oregon, Nevada, Arizona?

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls (Post 19799878)

Look at it this way, maybe someone will be able to finally pay you $70 to buy that shitty ass domain you've been trying to sell for months in your sig. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19799822)

All that blaming and rage is only going to end in an ulcer.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19799909)

"blaming"?

Oh...Thats what you're calling my expecting people to strive for more, to constantly improve their skills, to continually educated themselves and therefore be worth more in the marketplace and have the life they want instead of just doing nothing and demanding that everyone else pay for their xbox and iPhone5?

"blame"... uhm... yeah...

Working at McDonalds used to be embarrassing. It was supposed to be. It means you are on the very bottom rung of the ladder of the workforce and should immediately start climbing.... That is how you get past the shame and earn respect.. the respect of others and build self respect. That doesn't happen by just pounding your fist and demanding those who did pay you more so you can wash lettuce as a career choice. Thats not a good message for anyone. Thats a formula for economic failure.

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19799494)

It's the cheap ass AMERICAN CONSUMER that dictates a low wage not business.

American consumers don't care manufacturing jobs moved to China or they would insist on buying "made in America" labeled goods at slightly higher prices. They don't.

If there is a demand for something American business would fill it. If a fast food owner opened a location guaranteeing $15 an hour and great benefits per entry level worker he would be out of business in 6 months.

The same people whining here about low wages would be to cheap to pay the higher food prices and shop at the cheaper restaurants. American consumers are all about price and not about pride in quality. Why do you think the largest retailer in the country is fucking walmart. American consumers don't care their clothes are made in sweat shops. American consumers don't care their Christmas ornaments are made by 10 year old children locked in dirt floored rooms. They sure as shit don't care about the person flipping a burger.


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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19799909)

These issues are about what we expect of people. What society expects of people. What standards a society has. What standards a society wants to hold its people to.... and what we expect of each and every person. The "American Dream" was never "get a low paying job and then demand more from society".

The message "hey no-skilled assholes who have no value in the workplace because you have no skills, experience or education - you deserve more". is not a great message. I will pay for it directly with higher costs. I will pay for it indirectly as we continue to create a society that - instead of demanding the best effort from everyone and that expects everyone to strive for greatness is slowly being replaced with self entitled idiots who know absolutely nothing about how the world works and believe they need to be rewarded for non-achievement.

The message should be "you need to keep moving up. You need to keep working harder. Keep improving your skills. You need to keep improving your education and INCREASE YOUR VALUE in the workplace. Not simply demand more for a job you shouldn't be doing for more than a year anyway... because its not a career, nor was it ever meant to be"

I am not uber wealthy. I don't try to be. I try to enjoy my life. I don't think I am better than anyone because of my bank account. I think I am better than those who don't try.. because I and those I choose to surround myself with, do.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19798264)

I mean its not like they are perpetually bankrupt, have high taxes, high cost of living and are driving people and entire industries out of the state in droves.

Originally Posted by clickhappy (Post 19800263)

Im leaving California soon but it makes me laugh when I read "People are leaving California in droves".

Its like saying "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded."

Its jammed as fuck here, traffic everywhere, long lines for everything. I dont see people leaving.
I like california but Ill be be able to buy a house here, so leaving soon

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19800358)

I mean its not like they are perpetually bankrupt, have high taxes, high cost of living and are driving people and entire industries out of the state in droves.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19799907)

California is amazing.

I had to drive up north to the REAL Northern California a few times in the past few months, and it was fucking amazing.

Originally Posted by clickhappy (Post 19800263)

Im leaving California soon but it makes me laugh when I read "People are leaving California in droves".

Its like saying "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded."

Its jammed as fuck here, traffic everywhere, long lines for everything. I dont see people leaving.
I like california but Ill be be able to buy a house here, so leaving soon

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls (Post 19800401)

Where are you getting your info that California businesses are leaving in droves?

Wyoming is the highest-rated state in the nation for business tax policy yet they are the only state in the country to lose population every year. If your theory was correct Wyoming and Alabama would be booming and places like NYC, Palo Alto, Silicon Valley would all be deserted and isolated.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19800461)

Not that simple. Tax policy is just one thing. You can not compare it like that. The thing is that Wyoming with better tax policy would be better than Wyoming with worse tax policy. Completely does not mean that it would be better than any other state with worse tax policy.

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19800428)

I've heard this mentioned several time... the tax base in California is getting smaller as companies relocated due to harsh legislation... ever wonder why movies are shot in Louisiana, New York and Canada? the rental house in California have moved the majority of their equipment out of the area.. I didn't read this online and can NOT show you the stats.. I know this from a 30 year relationship with the rental house that allows me to speak with the mangers that were working the counter when I started dealing with the vendors... belive it or not, as you will, I actually don't give a fuck what you think :2 cents:

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls (Post 19800471)

Tell that to your right wing buddies who keep crying that high taxes are pushing businesses out of CA in droves.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19800487)

It began as the housing market was heating up and getting out of control. Washington, Oregon and Vegas and other places were being flooded with wealthy Californians who could sell their shitbox McMansion for $5,000,000 in Palo Alto or where ever and buy a $1,000,000.00 McMansion in Seattle suburbs that was bigger and still have $4,000,000 in the bank. This all was probably most obvious to those around banking/finance/real estate/mortgages. There was a time in 06/07/08 where it was completely unreal how many Californians were buying property in Oregon and Washington and the impact they were having on the housing market and prices.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19800488)

Would be cool to live in LA and watch them shoot Breaking Bad.... but you can't since they have to shoot it in New Mexico because of obscene taxes and unions in LA and California.

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls (Post 19800471)

Tell that to your right wing buddies who keep crying that high taxes are pushing businesses out of CA in droves.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19800509)

Like I said:

CA with better taxation keeps and attracts more businesses than CA with worse taxation. Thats a fact. So no need to tell them anything. Well, maybe not in droves, but it has influence.

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls (Post 19800519)

This fact is based on what data?

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics California was 3rd in the country for job growth between Dec 2011 and Dec 2012. The average for the entire country was 1.9% growth and CA came in at 3.3%.

I'm not saying higher taxes are a good thing but this argument that it causes businesses to pack up and leave is bunk.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19800536)

Dude..............
For the third time:

a) CA with better taxation for business
b) CA with worse taxation for business

a would attract more businesses than b, a would keep more businesses than b. Thats simple logical fact.

If b provides growth (as you suggest) then a would provide even bigger growth.
How difficult is it to grasp?

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19800536)

Dude..............
For the third time:

a) CA with better taxation for business
b) CA with worse taxation for business

a would attract more businesses than b, a would keep more businesses than b. Thats simple logical fact.

If b provides growth (as you suggest) then a would provide even bigger growth.
How difficult is it to grasp?

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls (Post 19800578)

Once again, facts are not originated with something you think you know or heard, its based on hard data for which you have provided none of.

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19799494)

It's the cheap ass AMERICAN CONSUMER that dictates a low wage not business.

American consumers don't care manufacturing jobs moved to China or they would insist on buying "made in America" labeled goods at slightly higher prices. They don't.

If there is a demand for something American business would fill it. If a fast food owner opened a location guaranteeing $15 an hour and great benefits per entry level worker he would be out of business in 6 months.

The same people whining here about low wages would be to cheap to pay the higher food prices and shop at the cheaper restaurants. American consumers are all about price and not about pride in quality. Why do you think the largest retailer in the country is fucking walmart. American consumers don't care their clothes are made in sweat shops. American consumers don't care their Christmas ornaments are made by 10 year old children locked in dirt floored rooms. They sure as shit don't care about the person flipping a burger.


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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19780624)

Lets make a list of all the companies that saw lasting, enduring success by clinging to the past, ignoring the present realities, ignoring change, ignoring the future and ignoring the consumer and his patterns, behaviors and expectations.

I'll add all the ones that come to mind first!

1)..................................?


http://drdivaphd.files.wordpress.com...0&h=392&crop=1

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19801488)

It's so obvious who here has ever employed entry level minimum wage workers and who hasn't. Fucking hilarious.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19801497)

These threads tend to reinforce those who both have money to their name, as well as experience as a business owner. By that I mean, they know the true costs of running a business versus those clownshoes and Utopian dreamers who are more than happy to give away everyone else's money for the sake of being "fair". It's priceless comedy to be sure.

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19801488)

It's so obvious who here has ever employed entry level minimum wage workers and who hasn't. Fucking hilarious.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19801618)

Another pic of Whopper Floppers:

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19801630)

Robbie, thanks for making another actual and rather substantial contribution to the topic ..... unlike some other posters and topic starters.

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19800494)

A good friend of mine, my best man twice, had a small software consulting company and lived in Marina Del Rey. He sold his house for more than 3 million, bought a nicer house in Ft Walton Beach Florida for under I million. Folded his California Corporation, restarted his business with a Florida corp saving over 10% yearly in taxes and is happier than hell to be out of California.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19801641)

heh-heh, I do what I can, I do what I can... :pimp

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19801497)

Agreed.

These threads tend to reinforce those who both have money to their name, as well as experience as a business owner. By that I mean, they know the true costs of running a business versus those clownshoes and Utopian dreamers who are more than happy to give away everyone else's money for the sake of being "fair". It's priceless comedy to be sure.

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19801488)

It's the cheap ass AMERICAN CONSUMER that dictates a low wage not business.

American consumers don't care manufacturing jobs moved to China or they would insist on buying "made in America" labeled goods at slightly higher prices. They don't.

If there is a demand for something American business would fill it. If a fast food owner opened a location guaranteeing $15 an hour and great benefits per entry level worker he would be out of business in 6 months.

The same people whining here about low wages would be to cheap to pay the higher food prices and shop at the cheaper restaurants. American consumers are all about price and not about pride in quality. Why do you think the largest retailer in the country is fucking walmart. American consumers don't care their clothes are made in sweat shops. American consumers don't care their Christmas ornaments are made by 10 year old children locked in dirt floored rooms. They sure as shit don't care about the person flipping a burger.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19801497)

Agreed.

These threads tend to reinforce those who both have money to their name, as well as experience as a business owner. By that I mean, they know the true costs of running a business versus those clownshoes and Utopian dreamers who are more than happy to give away everyone else's money for the sake of being "fair". It's priceless comedy to be sure.

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19801742)

Actually it's usually accepted among most level headed and objective people that if one party has to constantly resort to insults or ad hominem attacks that it means they are unable to debate the topic properly and they have probably ran out of facts. Thus the tendency to resort to the insults and other logical fallacies.

Also I have to point out that talking big on the internet and insulting people left and right doesn't really prove that you are richer or more successful than anyone else. In fact usually it means the exact opposite as I have observed. You don't see a lot of successful people calling people burger floppers online and talking about being able to buy and sell people 100 times over. There is a reason for that. OTOH lots of people desperately try to be someone online that they are not in real life. Not that the size of your pocketbook means you have all the facts any more so than anyone else. That's another fallacy called argument from authority.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19798562)

You keep using the word "troll" and cling to the concept of "being trolled" which implies some sort of superiority on your part as if you actually have any purpose or point or argument, which you don't. Since you aren't smart enough to hold your own ground, you have to cling to this fabricated notion that you are somehow on the high ground as it is. Troll.... The use of that word is the final refuge of an intellectual lightweight. That's because you - though quite dumb, are smart enough to at least recognize that intellectually you are outgunned. You dodge the substance of the argument because you have to. Would end up being quite embarrassing for you if you didn't.

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19801758)

And I can't really fathom anyone buying Christmas ornaments, unless they are in the habit of pitching them in the garbage every year for the last 50 years.

Originally Posted by bossku69 (Post 19798259)

CA has always had a higher minimum wage because people believe the BS of "living in California cost more." Nonsense!

This will only open the door to MORE taxes for those people... so you theoretically make more, but at the end, it will probably be the same amount