what's up, Brian? no balls to admit when you screwed up?

You're wrong about where he got it, but it doesn't matter.

You LA people just refuse to get that through your heads. When someone catches HIV outside the industry and then brings it into the industry, it doesn't matter any more. HIV is HIV. On set, off set, it doesn't matter. The end result is someone contracted HIV and spread it.

You guys seriously need to wake up. You're all living in a fantasy, as if the world cares how it was originally contracted, because they don't. Headlines read "Porn star catches HIV" and that's all they need to see. AHF uses that as ammo and are working towards making all of you wear condoms, while you guys are bragging that it wasn't transmitted on set, as if that is some sort of accomplishment. Newsflash, it's not, it's just dumb luck.

The old saying, "cant see the forest for the trees" applies perfectly to all of you working in LA currently. So caught up with stupid details that you are unable to see the larger picture.

In regards to Darrin James, he caught it working in Rio from Bianca Biaggi, but he spread it to girls on set in the USA. Where he caught it is 100% irrelevant, because he spread it. Did the media care where he caught it? No. "Porn star Darrin James has HIV" is what they said. The same about Laura Roxx, Jessica Dee, and Miss Arroyo. The details of the transmission don't matter to the public, as they read AND BELIEVE headlines.

I didn't say they didn't. I said they were not perfect, but they did a decent enough job. MUCH better than what you guys have now. Much, much better.

All you need is ONE person. But there are more than that.

There is no shortage of people from LA coming to Thailand and Philippines to work and "holiday" (screw whores) these days. Where do you think the Thai and Philippine content is coming from today? Because only one person in Thailand is currently selling quality content, and no one in the Philippines is, so that means everyone else is coming to get it on their own. Many of the LA guys are shooting POV scenes to offset their travel costs.

Look around at the current DVDs and new sites for Asian hetro and shemale releases. God didn't miracle that shit to the studios.

This is obfuscation, not illumination.

what are you talking about? why are you using my name? I made a joke ... big deal.... why are you so touchy?

plenty of that going around for sure....

Fair enough. Keep your head in the sand and just pretend it isn't happening. That approach seems to be working out well for you guys.

My head isn't in the sand, which is why I called you out for clouding the issue, instead of clarifying it. The original comment I reacted to referenced worldwide HIV transmission rates--which I thought (and still think) is irrelevant to the discussion of HIV transmission in the LA porn industry.

I see a lot of misinformation and disinformation in these HIV/STI threads, and wonder why that's happening. It seems some of the people posting in those threads have agendas.

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The current system is a farce. There is no fail-safe system. However, I believe that a better system can be created.

Better testing protocols, better education, and better preventive measures are all possible. :2 cents:

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ADG

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Just saw this in Scientific American (of all places):

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ADG

Clouding what issue?

I said that I believe transmission rates in other areas of the world are relevant to LA, because people do leave LA for work and holiday. The proof is in the content that is being released through studios. What else do I need to say? That shouldn't be confusing to anyone. All you need is one person to become infected and spread it. Darin James got infected in Brazil. So yea, all of this is very relevant.

Like I have an agenda. :1orglaugh I don't really care what happens to porn valley, I'm on the other side of the world. I'm just trying to discuss a real problem because too many of you seem to be oblivious to, or are in denial of, real facts and risks.

World wide transmission rates are important if you have people in your talent pool who work outside of the USA. It's that simple. And again, you don't need PEOPLE to cause a problem, you only need a PERSON.


It could be improved, that is for sure. But at the end of the day, whatever new testing that is put in place, is only as good as what the performer did the night before. And THAT is always going to be the Achilles Heel of health within the industry.

AIM got sued by Darrin James for releasing his info, which I thought was BS. I remember testing there and having to sign a form that gave them permission to notify others if my test was positive. I guess state law trumped that, but that was a better system.

Really ADG, I don't see a solution. You have too many issues and cowboys to be able to work a realistic solution. And on top of that, you have state laws to deal with. In regards to releasing information, you should have to sign all privacy rights away and in a perfect world that should be able to be upheld legally so the performer can't sue like James did.

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ADG

you're right. fuck it... we all just go to a third world shit hole and shoot trannys :2 cents:

What a fucking mess.

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The discussion around HIV drugs possibly causing a person to indicate a false negative on an HIV test is something I intend to try and learn more about, especially after reading this in the FAQ section on the OraQuick.com HIV test site:

I raise this issue for two reasons.

First, because it may come into play if indeed the new exposure is connected to Cameron Bay (the initial story I heard was that everyone who had performed with Cameron tested negative, now a week or two later, one of those people may have tested positive).

Secondly, my bigger concern is about whether someone could potentially be HIV+, but still show up negative on their HIV test because the drugs are masking the virus (or causing it to give an incorrect result). :helpme

I'll try and check around tomorrow and see if I can get an answer about that, since the ramifications could be large. If anyone else knows the answer, please chime in.

If I were a performer, I would think twice about condoms from here on, at least until I had more answers, and better assurances that the industry has a trustworthy testing system in place, administered by trustworthy people. :2 cents:

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ADG

Yep.. And reports are out that people are still shooting for large companies and I know for fact that talent is still fucking and think its ok since "its off camera".

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Anyone know if Porno Dan is observing the production moratorium, or is he continuing to shoot, since Immoral Productions is shooting condoms only now?

So which large companies are currently ignoring the production moratorium and shooting hardcore?

I have some solo projects to keep me busy...

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ADG

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If this is confirmed - unfuckingbelievable... :disgust

Care to comment, Redrob? Anybody from the FSC?!?

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ADG

I was referencing the article on MikeSouth in my statement and know that Dan had cancelled shoots thus far through Tuesday based on his other posts. I would assume he is taking it day by day before cancelling a big FuckAFan shoot and will make that call after tomorrow if needed and after consulting with attorneys & others.

Erybody calm the fuck down

I got the impression that Dan had cancelled some shoots previously due to moratoriums, and that's why I was surprised that he was still promoting a live shoot in a few days.

It would be a surprise to me if the FSC lifted the current production moratorium as fast as they did the last one, scarcely a few weeks ago.

Reportedly Evil Angel is still shooting, and I saw online that Kink (operated by another FSC Board Member) supposedly did a Public Disgrace shoot just last Thursday night, barely in between moratoriums, so I'm not sure if they've stopped shooting after that (sure looks like business at usual at Kink Live, etc).

Evil Angel owner John Stagliano:

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ADG

Wanna bet? :2 cents:

Let's see, Vivid has someone on the FSC Board too, right?

Posted at LIB:

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Perhaps you are right...seems like even the companies that are represented by the FSC Board do not even take the FSC seriously. :disgust

Good thing the FSC cares so much about talent - imagine if they didn't? :(

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ADG

You'd probably make more money and deal with less headache. :upsidedow

Why is it that mostly only the USA porn industry is crippled with these health issues? And why only lately is it getting worse? You guys are not the only ones in the world making porn, but you have all the problems. Japan is the 2nd largest industry, hardly a peep from them. What about Europe? Pretty quiet over there too. What do they all do that you monkeys haven't figured out yet?

I'm curious to hear from EU producers as to what is being done differently over there. Or is it all just dumb luck?

And this exactly proves my point about why whatever testing protocols you can come up with, they are going to be side stepped by irresponsible, greedy people. The safety of the performers is only as strong as your weakest link, and unfortunately, this business has an endless amount of weak leaks.

It's almost like some of you are holding meetings to come up with new ways to make things harder on the industry.

We got out of the B/G and G/G side 3 years ago. Male and female models escorting bareback all over (plus, gay for pay, group parties etc) together with faked certs on top. You might want to have a look at what some of the US "talent" (I always laugh when using that term lol) get up to while they are over here too.

The level of raw fucking nieve in this thread is so thick you can almost taste it. :2 cents:

don't 'personally' know of anyone shooting anything, except solo :2 cents:

But do you guys have many health issues like they have in the USA, with no real clue as to how to address the problem?

I'd think you wouldn't be much different than the US, but I only recall hearing of a couple serious issues with EU performers. Or am I just not paying enough attention?

Say someone there tests positive for HIV, what is the protocol?

:2 cents:

Syphilis, Herpes, Chlamydia, etc pretty much on a regular basis but as far as I know there have only been HIV positive tests from the gay side so far. But would I bet on that? Not in a million years.

This is in the UK I have to add

been told that many HIV infected men are repeatedly treated for Chlamydia etc... :2 cents:

As far as I am aware the producers in the UK have washed their hands of the testing side completely now as it's so far out of control.

We stepped out of the HC side as it just wasn't worth anyone getting sick just so someone could have a wank and then ironically found that we made more money shooting solo anyway.

Testing is a complete waste of time as the so called "talent" shoot once a week if they are lucky and escort 7 days a week to pay the bills.

Now that we're on number four, I do wonder how long they'll keep the moratorium. (Well, those honoring it, I mean.) And how many more will come out as positive before it's all said and done.

My attorney and I consulted and we decided that I will not shoot boy/girl as long as the moratorium stays in effect.

There is no reason we could not shoot since we do use condoms, but from a PR standpoint we will not be shooting.


You are 'spot-on' as the English would say.

The first time I used a condom it was with my second wife just to see what it was like.

I was hoping to hear something positive from FSC, today, and instead I just heard the news of a possible 4th HIV Positive person in the industry: :disgust :( :mad:

Has anyone heard anything from the FSC about this possible HIV+ #4, or do they just issue periodic press releases when they are not too busy?

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You are a pioneer of sorts in the straight sector of adult, having switched from no condoms to condom sex.

However, I have some concern about the industry thinking that testing is unnecessary if we adopt mandatory condoms as a way to decrease the odds of any on-set HIV transmissions.

As I have recently learned, a segment of the industry already operates this way, and it seems like a recipe for disaster, given the unreliability of condoms.

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ADG

That is true for many other diseases, they seem to have more of them, more often. I believe it has to do with a lowered immune system.

Condoms break, you know that. It's a good thing you listened to your brain instead of only your attorney.

I like your style.

Wow............!!

My brain says to shoot!

Every performer we shoot is tested and we use condoms.

We don't shoot anal and the chance of a transmission is slim to none for vaginal intercourse between two tested performers using condoms

All 3 of these cases happened off set and have NOTHING to do with porn, in fact they occurred in Phoenix, not Los Angeles.

That sucks.

That fact keeps getting brought up like it makes a huge difference, but in truth it's completely irrelevant. They're porn performers and they're HIV+, regardless of how they became infected. That means they potentially exposed other performers during the time between becoming infected and testing positive.

Baller Alert, the online site that published an exclusive 2-Part interview with Cameron Bay last week, posted this today:

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Is the FSC even working today? :helpme

The FSC should have been out in front of this story from Day 1, and instead it appears that they are hiding in their bunker, as some companies that are represented on the FSC Board continue to shoot and otherwise act as if everything is business as usual. :disgust

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ADG

Your lack of knowledge of this situation shines through with your comments.

It makes all the difference in the world that they did not contract HIV on a porn set, if they had the situation would be much, much worse and the companies would shot them would be liable.

I'm very confident that this moratorium will be lifted within a week.

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We have had new HIV+ reports since the initial moratorium, so there should not be a rush to end this latest moratorium (particularly if new cases are still emerging, and especially if someone previously thought to be negative, a week or so later turns up positive). :2 cents:

I'm also concerned that some in the industry think that condoms are a substitute for testing. :Oh crap

Not saying your company Dan, since you indicated that you still test for HIV/STD's, and I presume that is for ALL talent, including your Fuck-A-Fan amateurs (correct me if I am mistaken about Fuck-A-Fan civilian participants).

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ADG

No one is saying condoms are a substitute for testing, we do both on all my shoots

Porn is not to blame for this.

If you want to point fingers look at the escort agencies who tell the models the guys are tested when they know they are not and have the girls do bare back tricks.

It seems your primary concern is producer liability. Again, irrelevant to everyone but producers.

I didn't just fall off the turnip truck yesterday, and I have no vested interest in perpetuating the myth that testing makes everyone safe. That's only true if all performers use condoms for all sex off set with untested individuals. We all know that's not the case, nor is it realistic to think it ever will be. Every performer is not just having sex with the other performers on set, but also everyone one else they've had unprotected sex with since their last negative test. I'm sure this is not new to you, or most anyone else here, but somehow the myth that testing makes everyone safe persists.

I'm sure at this point you've assumed that I support mandatory condom use. WRONG! I think performers should have the choice, but in order for that choice to be legal informed consent the realities about what testing does and doesn't do need to be made clear to all performers.

Given the testing windows for detection any moratorium shorter than the period for 90% detection is irresponsible.

Which escort agencies are you referring to? :helpme

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I prefer to fix the problem rather than the blame, however you can't fix the problem without understanding it, and you sure can't solve it by wishing/ignoring it away. :2 cents:

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ADG

The details matter to those of you working in LA currently, but the media and AHF doesn't care and will paint it to be a porn problem. They already have. That is what he is trying to say. And what the media says, is the truth as far as the public sees it, and it gives AHF more ammo to nail the condom coffin shut and rally more support for their cause.

You're already working with condoms, so you're already way ahead of the curve, but the choice of working with or without them for everyone else is going to be taken away, even though these cases were not caused from a porn set. For some insane reason most of you can't get that simple fact through your heads, that outside your tiny one dimensional porn bubble, it doesn't matter how they caught it. Go read the headlines right now, as far as the world is concerned it's a porn problem. These people who are anti-porn and pro-condom have an agenda and all of this plays right into their hands while you guys make proud comments about it not being an industry issue, or that the info being released is false.

For as smart as some of you guys are, you're very detached from out the outside world actually works. Perception is everything. Every tiny thing that happens to someone in the business, on set or off, can be used against you.

"5 junkies from Arizona caught HIV" doesn't get clicks. However, "HIV outbreak in the porn industry - 5 performers HIV+" does.


It probably will be, and again, the headlines will read, "Porn Valley resumes work despite 5 HIV+ performers." And that is what everyone will believe.

:2 cents: