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It's scary when gfy has a consensus.
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These people; elected government are DEGENERATE DEMONS.
Simply look at them in these 'hearings' For Instance ...What's Kerry rubber face doing? Wetting his lips, Bi-polar eye looking down making sure he is all still there? You can tell he's lieing thru his teeth with his reptile tongue. What kind of drugs are these fucks on? Do they look like normal human beings to you? Would you hang out with them? Grab a beer? Talk about old times? They are inhuman DEMON MONSTERS and make me want to VOMIT. They need to be exorcized and tried for Constitutional Treason. Perid |
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Barry is the worse president in US history |
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The rebels are just as bad as the administration there Dear Barry, work on the problems at home before you go after the ones you invent in other countries! |
Hypothetically, If I were the new "king" of al-Qaeda; I would now be trying hard as hell to make SARIN or VX gas to attack either US Territory or US interests in the world to give the Americans a compelling reason to repudiate their isolationism and attack to the benefit of my (the new "king" of al-Qaeda's) interests in Syria .. (Hypothetically (got to ward off the NSA:upsidedow)) |
Every bomb we drop in a Muslim country is like we are planting seeds and growing brand new "terrorists" that hate our guts and want revenge. :(
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Yet the Brits were called pussies on here for not joining in the bombing spree...
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The United States will sell them all they want under the table. We have more chemical weapons stockpiles than any country in the world. :( EDIT: FITTY President Obama's getting schooled on the international stage |
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^ give that man a cigar. You have hit the point of the imminent threat and its danger here ... |
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(it means also that syria is a magnet for terrorist: there is weapons to steal and this means also that we are far from the end of the problem with these arabic countries) But yes, it is probably a reason to do something, but in this case why not help assad instead of the terrorists ? |
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We can help him by removing his chemical weapons and destroying them safely. |
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And the United States didn't ratify it for almost 50 years (it was signed in 1928 and the U.S. govt. didn't ratify it until 1974). And then the U.S. govt. reneged on it almost immediately. The United States is one of only 13 countries with internationally declared CHEMICAL WEAPONS PRODUCTION. And has the world's largest stockpile. And we have used them too. Most times covertly...but right out in the open during the Vietnam War. My wife's dad suffered from complications from Agent Orange right up until the day he died (he was a Viet War Vet). Most people just assume that the U.S. is a "good guy". Nope. Read for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemica...ons_Convention |
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There are only 13 countries that make them. The U.S. is one of them (we make more and stockpile more than any other country on Earth) But since Syria is a Russian client they probably got theirs either from Russia or Iran (also two of the countries who produce it) Here's the list of countries who produce chemical weapons: Bosnia and Herzegovina China France India Iran Iraq Japan Libya Russia Serbia United Kingdom United States Kinda weird that Iraq is in that list. Now I wonder why we would have them producing chemical weapons? (we overthrew Hussein over it remember?) Gee... I wonder why.... |
Yes, We Can !
Yes we can ... 1.Use the IRS to fuck with our enemies 2.Benghazi 3.Spy on the Associated Press 4.Rosengate 5.Lie constanlty 6.Fast and Furious 7.Start a nuclear war 8.Constantly tell you one thing and do another 8.Piss off our allies 9.Have a $6 million dollar conference at Disney World 10.Solyndra 11.Ripoff the poor people that believed we can, now you can have triple the cost health insurance and two new part-time job's at McDonalds you can can... 13.Fuck with and bully the press 8.Constantly tell you one thing and do another 14.Make you stupid 14.Use the name and memory of MLK to fool you into thinking Obama is a black humanitarian 15.Say "Folk's" alot because we care about you 16.Lie, Lie, Lie till your pants catch on fire 17.Win the Nobel Peace Prize while never promoting peace 18.Vaguely tell people "They Can" but never really specifying what exactly it is they "Can" so when you do nothing they never really noticed because they're filled with the warm feeling of "they Can"..... get fucked http://i.imgur.com/HxqnyYy.gif |
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Not a single person in the government (the shot callers) really cares they are used on people of color. If they cared, and I mean honestly cared, they wouldn't fucking make them in the first place and put a ban on the production of such weapons, and place a crippling embargo (like they did to Cuba) against any nation who doesn't play by the rules. Instead, they just continue making them and continue chasing the boogiemen who use them. |
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This list is a bit more comprehensive.
http://cns.miis.edu/cbw/possess.htm I believe all of this is not over sarin gas attacks AT ALL. It is about control and flow of energy resources. Haliburton is in on it. They have a new enterprise in the Golan Heights. Stop blabbering on about the smoke screens and get to the meat of it. |
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I remember back in 90's when Kosovo Albanians faked that they were poisoned by Serbs and there were plenty of reports there. At some point, TV entered hospital where they were "dying and suffering" and found them laughing and talking in corridors. They started ruining like idiots, and hiding. That was one of attempts to get international "support" that they managed 9 years later. After that lesson, I don't believe anything anymore and don't give a shit about internal problems of any country.
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And as I said...Iran and Russia are Syria's biggest allies. They both produce and sell chemical weapons to their allies (just like our govt. in the U.S. does). And of course the U.S. is going to deny that we sell them to our allies. Just like Russia, Iran, and North Korea will deny that they do. That's the fucked up game these bastards play. And I'm not cavalier about anything. We are faced with a situation where a lot of people have and use chemical weapons. By the way..IF you believe the U.S. govt. and they really have destroyed a large percentage of their stockpile (and remember...the U.S. is STILL PRODUCING it, so not really sure what numbers game they are playing)...the official reported U.S. stockpile of chemical weapons is still 5,449 metric tons Probably enough to kill EVERBODY. And certainly a lot more than Syria has ever had. Or anybody else for that matter. We still have the largest reported official stockpile in the world. And since we are producing it every day...I'd say that they are NOT reporting it all. How do you reduce your stockpile while you are producing new chemical weapons at the same time? |
As of the end of March 2012, all 70 declared facilities had been deactivated and 92% (64) have been certified as destroyed or converted to civilian use.[28] In 2009, Iraq declared five production sites which were put out of commission by damage in the 1991 and 2003 wars; OPCW inspections were still required.[
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Ah...you're still talking politics and think Obama is "better".
And I'm coming at this from the viewpoint that none of them are "better". If spying, gun running, drone killing, irs targeting, military "surges", and now attacking a sovereign nation with no provocation isn't enough for you...then we must agree to disagree. There's nothing really for us to discuss because we aren't even starting with the same premise. I don't want to pretend that one of us is "right" and one is "wrong". I'm just saying that we can't discuss it intelligently if we aren't at least starting from the same point. Your posts seem to be insinuating that the United States federal govt. isn't doing anything wrong and "yes" we should attack another country without provocation and kill people with our bombs to "punish" the dictator for killing people (even though he will be eating a fine dinner and living a life of luxury while other people die from our bombs). So we have to part ways in this discussion. :) I am of the belief that 1. The U.S. is TOTALLY hypocritical (just look at what we did with Agent Orange in Vietnam). 2. It is an international crime to attack another country without provocation unless it is a UN sanctioned move (and we've already made that mistake with Iraq, how soon we forget) |
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No need to go back to agent orange. In the first gulf war we knew Iraq had gassed the Kurdish rebels but we signed a peace treaty with them. It was only under Bush lite that it became a reason to attack them some more.
I'm still of the opinion that allowing blatant attacks using these kinds of weapons can't be let go. I'd wager that none of those opposing a US strike are actually opposed to doing something, (except the trade partners of Syria). The rest want sanctions of some sort no doubt. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PAT...rorist_support
Isn't the US government violating this by supporting Al Qaeda linked terrorists? And they can't use a wartime excuse since we haven't declared war yet. I'm sure some excuse of "it's different when we do it!" will be thrown around, but I would love for a senator/congressman who is anti-intervention on this to throw it in their faces. |
our governments always get politically involved in stupid shit. Look at Reagan. He sold arms to Iran then gave the money to another insurgent group, lmao. Criminal shit man, and he's revered as a hero type. Hey, he had good qualities, but most dicks do somewhere along the line.
McCain openly wants to bomb all Syrian runways then send arms to the rebels. No bones about it. NO solution is perfect and won't ever be. Even just trying to do a single thing is damn near impossible. I think it comes down to a simple question of morals and it seems the majority figures it's all cool over there. |
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We let civil wars with HORRIBLE atrocities happen constantly in Africa for instance. And it's really none of our business to try military action. And sanctions just hurt the people even more. We are not supposed to act like we are the King Of The World and put our nose into every civil war. And we especially shouldn't be sitting around contemplating bombing them and killing even MORE people. Then add in the thousands of more enemies for life we will create who will now be on a mission to destroy our country because our bombs killed their father, or mother, or brother, or sister, or child. The thought that killing people to "save" them has failed over and over. Vietnam to Iraq to Afghanistan. And as I said...it's an international crime. Could you imagine what we would do if China or Russia started bombing another country for ANY reason? Our govt. would be screaming from the rooftops about it. |
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In fact, all US chemical weapons, according to treaty , were suipposed to be destroyed by 2007 .... Guess What ... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh |
Syria: Pope warns Barack Obama that military strike would be 'futile'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...be-futile.html |
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"I cannot understand who gave the United States or France the right to act against a country in a way that will certainly increase the suffering of the citizens of that country, who, by the way, have already suffered beyond measure," he said. " I'm not religious...but The Pope hit the nail on the head. |
First of all, Syria will not attack another country. That would be a fatal mistake and the Syrian regime knows it. |
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Those guys again -- stick to choirboys |
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Second...you should really get over your political left wing obsessiveness. Yes, when Bush was Pres. the U.S. govt. invaded another country looking for "Weapons Of Mass Destruction". Reality was...it was none of our goddamned business. It was bullshit. And Bush was able to get Congress and Great Britain and about 70 other countries to go along with it. And it was STILL illegal to attack another country without provocation. But at least he could claim that Iraq had broken all the U.N. sanctions. Now...you are cool with it because Baby Jesus Obama is a Democrat? Dude, you are really pushing the limits. Please explain just one thing to me. How is killing MORE Syrian people with our bombs going to "help" the Syrian people that our govt. is trying to tell you that they are so concerned about? And why isn't the govt. "concerned" about places like Dufar where over 200,000 people have been killed in govt. genocide? Women have had their Achilles heels sliced so they can't run from the soldiers who come to rape them periodically. The atrocities are enormous. Been going on now for TEN years. |
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