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Old 09-03-2013, 01:18 PM   #51
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Old 09-03-2013, 01:22 PM   #52
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Hehe, laugh all you want, but consider this... we've been making money using predominantly contextual based advertising without any blind clicks, trading, skimming, etc for more than 15 years. It works just fine.

That said, we've certainly left money on the table. I have turned away an awful lot of popunder and mobile redirect money. Same with fake IM ads.

Like I said, different strokes for different folks. It's just two different approaches.
lol I know mate I know, I couldn't resist though horses for courses, but calling that type of banner blind or deceptive is a bit overkill to me - the click takes the surfer to the site, and 1 click is required to play the vid. Exactly the same as saying 'click here to watch all the videos at blahblah.com', just 4 as likely to get the actual click. If I make a surfer 'suffer' by having him click once more to see a video clip start playing, well, let's just say I lose zero sleep, and I highly doubt I just gave him a bad surfing experience anyway
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Old 09-03-2013, 01:29 PM   #53
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For the x time,i didnt said how i dont like ads,i said how i dont like INTRUSIVE ADS.You are now acting like intrusive ad lol.You keep trying to "sell me" how i should not use adblocker,despise i told you how i use it to avoid intrusive ads.
Oh and btw let me give you example of good money making without ads -twitter and tumbl - so how do you then explain them?
And to give you an example a last thing which i bought online - a vps account,which offer i found on lowendbox.com site,and that was not DEFINITELY not an classic ad,yet i bought it anyway.
I don't really care if you use adblockers or not, I didn't mean to single you out... but I find it pathetic that on a webmaster message board there are threads like "Adblocker is awesome", instead of threads like: "Lets discuss Adblocker counter-measures"... it wouldn't even be so bad if it was just OP that is a fool that didn't ponder the whole thing through, but this thread is filled with adblocker supporters... crazy shit...
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Old 09-03-2013, 01:36 PM   #54
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As usual some people here miss the point entirely, just more arguing for the sake of arguing.
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Old 09-03-2013, 01:44 PM   #55
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I though that too,but twitter is still having same model from start,they didn't suddenly start adding ads to user accounts,so i dont think they could be on investment pipe for so long.
Twitter probably does 1/1000th the bandwidth youtube does so the costs are far lower. Especially before they hosted photos. They don't need to make as much as Youtube thus reduced ads. But they have made money from other things such as a $25 million deal with Google and Microsoft to allow their tweets to be shown in the search engines. Imagine Google paying us to index on our sites.

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Old 09-03-2013, 01:55 PM   #56
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I don't really care if you use adblockers or not, I didn't mean to single you out... but I find it pathetic that on a webmaster message board there are threads like "Adblocker is awesome", instead of threads like: "Lets discuss Adblocker counter-measures"... it wouldn't even be so bad if it was just OP that is a fool that didn't ponder the whole thing through, but this thread is filled with adblocker supporters... crazy shit...
Hi Woj,

That was the entire point of starting this thread. But saying "Lets discuss Adblocker counter-measures" isn't really what we should do. Smarter ads, with consumer friendly controls and lots metrics that companies use is the best way to advertise and make money.
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Old 09-03-2013, 08:27 PM   #57
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We don't accept outside advertising on our website but we do use network advertising to bring in new customers so there is definitely some damage done to our marketing by the ad-blocking programs available and used.

That said, we have to consider why consumers are using ad-blocking programs, learn from that knowledge how to make (or place ads) in alternative so that market penetration, and getting the "message across" will still be effective.

There is no point in complaining about what you cannot control -- adapt your own methods to what has become the new norm.
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Old 09-03-2013, 09:19 PM   #58
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I use adblocker as well,i think i doing favor to advertisers since they would only spend bandwidth on me as i would never click or buy anything.I dont see point of enforcing ads at all cost as someone who block them probably wouldn't click or buy anything anyway.
That is like the people that say they would never pay for porn so stealing it is not wrong. Or better yet, if they were to say that they're just saving the producers money by downloading the video off a file locker.

It doesn't add up.

On sites that you do not pay for it is the ads that pay for the site.
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Old 09-03-2013, 09:28 PM   #59
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In many ways, ad blocking is just as bad as hidden cross sales.

A site that supports itself through advertising expects the visitors to be honorable. Blocking ads is pulling money directly out of the site owners pocket without their knowledge.

A customer joins a site and expects the site owner to be honorable. A hidden cross sale pulls money directly out of the customers pocket without their knowledge.

How are they different? Both are getting shortchanged.
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