Why are so many people in this business scared of competition? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

[Labret] · 02-28-2003, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23

Why so you can flash your million dollar a year stats and show me up? I'll tell you now I don't make that much. Did porn in 2k1 part time and made money from day one. Lived on webmaster downline and my local businesses last year to spend time with my son. Turned everything back on in December and have done just fine since. I've sold every other business I ran to work this full time and I will make my millions soon enough. If that's how you win an arguement you win.

Someone who worked this business part time 2 fucking years ago shouldnt be telling anyone jack shit about how this industry works. period.

LiveDose · 02-28-2003, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by CoolE
I agree with FI.

I'm not worried about competition per se, but what concerns me is the number of people who are willing to work for peanuts. I won't work on any project that doesn't bring in anything less than 4k US per week for 40 hours per week of my time - that's only $100 per hour, not much really. There are all kinds of newbies out there that feel that $800 per week is great money. I wonder if the market will simply become more and more saturated until we are all making that kind of chump change.

The other thing that concerns me about newbie competition is that they are incredibly ignorant, to the point of being a hazard to themselves and all of us around them. In the last two days on GFY I have seen people who:

a) Wonder if they have to pay any income tax if they live in country A and their affiliate checks come from country B.

b) state that obscenity laws do not apply in any way to the internet, like they do to magazines and television, because when a person clicks on a link they are somehow acknowledging that it is okay for them to receive porn, and therefore it can't be obscene. (?)

These morons are going to hurt some of the rest of us with their recklessness and ignorance.

Mark my words, some group of 3 or 4 or 5 underage newbie webmasters is going bring down an entire medium-sized affiliate program one of these days. Or maybe a host. Or maybe an IPSP. Or maybe a content provider.

I don't think I have ever agreed with anything Labret has ever said until now - he is right when he says that newbies are fucking dangerous.

That is the best post I have read in a while...

FlyingIguana · 02-28-2003, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

I just told you why it mattered. Fucking pay attention.

Newbs are program killers. Want to know the quickest way to turn a good program to shit? Let the newbs get ahold of it. Quicker than you know it you will be so over exposed and saturated that you wont be able to convert 1:10000. But as you been doing this for a month, you probably have no idea what I am even talking about.

Newbs arent running pay sites, newbs are giving away porn.

Topic: Why are so many people in this business scared of competition?

Tell me then. What competition are we all afraid of?

This isnt a competition issue as you initially tried to make it. Its a saturation issue caused by you and your buddies. [/B]

this is a great point. i think bang bus is a very good example of a sponsor getting overexposed. when they limited the number of webmasters promoting them, it was a major money maker. part of the reason was because it was new and there wasn't many reality based sites out there. once they let everyone in, conversions went to shit along with retention.

a few years ago i used to make a killing with ars. i could promote one of their new sites for months before conversions dropped. they come out with a new site a year later that done great, but the gold rush only lasted a couple months. a few months later a new site comes out and it goes to shit a couple weeks later. seemed like the more popular ars got, the less time one of their new and good converting sites would stay a solid money maker.

this is a result of the large amount of competition in this industry.

titmowse · 02-28-2003, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by Dopy
There?s fierce competition in most businesses, its the excessive level of statements made from the rear passage that makes this one look worse.

Dopy · 02-28-2003, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by CoolE
I agree with FI.

I'm not worried about competition per se, but what concerns me is the number of people who are willing to work for peanuts. I won't work on any project that doesn't bring in anything less than 4k US per week for 40 hours per week of my time - that's only $100 per hour, not much really. There are all kinds of newbies out there that feel that $800 per week is great money. I wonder if the market will simply become more and more saturated until we are all making that kind of chump change.

LOL

what fucking planet are you off

$800 will feed some people for a year - hellooooooooo

stocktrader23 · 02-28-2003, 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by CoolE
I agree with FI.

I'm not worried about competition per se, but what concerns me is the number of people who are willing to work for peanuts. I won't work on any project that doesn't bring in anything less than 4k US per week for 40 hours per week of my time - that's only $100 per hour, not much really. There are all kinds of newbies out there that feel that $800 per week is great money. I wonder if the market will simply become more and more saturated until we are all making that kind of chump change.

The other thing that concerns me about newbie competition is that they are incredibly ignorant, to the point of being a hazard to themselves and all of us around them. In the last two days on GFY I have seen people who:

a) Wonder if they have to pay any income tax if they live in country A and their affiliate checks come from country B.

b) state that obscenity laws do not apply in any way to the internet, like they do to magazines and television, because when a person clicks on a link they are somehow acknowledging that it is okay for them to receive porn, and therefore it can't be obscene. (?)

These morons are going to hurt some of the rest of us with their recklessness and ignorance.

Mark my words, some group of 3 or 4 or 5 underage newbie webmasters is going bring down an entire medium-sized affiliate program one of these days. Or maybe a host. Or maybe an IPSP. Or maybe a content provider.

I don't think I have ever agreed with anything Labret has ever said until now - he is right when he says that newbies are fucking dangerous.

What does that have to do with the things I pointed out. Read my first post again.

As far as newbies thinking obscenity laws don't effect them look at all the veterans that think the same way. Same goes for websites big and small that don't have their model release info listed correctly to make their site legal.

And I would think that anyone agrees that underage webmasters need to go. But the morons aren't all newbies.

stocktrader23 · 02-28-2003, 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Someone who worked this business part time 2 fucking years ago shouldnt be telling anyone jack shit about how this industry works. period.

I made more money working this biz for 1 hour a day than 90% of webmasters do pushing it full time. Working it full time now and nothing has changed.

It's too fucking easy to get rich in this business to scare off any newbs.

m0rph3us · 02-28-2003, 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23

I made more money working this biz for 1 hour a day than 90% of webmasters do pushing it full time. Working it full time now and nothing has changed.

It's too fucking easy to get rich in this business to scare off any newbs.

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completetosser · 02-28-2003, 05:25 PM

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It's too fucking easy to get rich in this business to scare off any newbs

You have got to be kidding me

ScrewContent · 02-28-2003, 05:26 PM

Stocktrader I would love to see one of your sites, gallerys or anything you promote.

Dopy · 02-28-2003, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23

I made more money working this biz for 1 hour a day than 90% of webmasters do pushing it full time. Working it full time now and nothing has changed.

It's too fucking easy to get rich in this business to scare off any newbs.

LOL

I love the way Labret causes people to bring on the bullshit.

SquarePants · 02-28-2003, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by CoolE
I agree with FI.

I'm not worried about competition per se, but what concerns me is the number of people who are willing to work for peanuts. I won't work on any project that doesn't bring in anything less than 4k US per week for 40 hours per week of my time - that's only $100 per hour, not much really. There are all kinds of newbies out there that feel that $800 per week is great money. I wonder if the market will simply become more and more saturated until we are all making that kind of chump change.

The other thing that concerns me about newbie competition is that they are incredibly ignorant, to the point of being a hazard to themselves and all of us around them. In the last two days on GFY I have seen people who:

a) Wonder if they have to pay any income tax if they live in country A and their affiliate checks come from country B.

b) state that obscenity laws do not apply in any way to the internet, like they do to magazines and television, because when a person clicks on a link they are somehow acknowledging that it is okay for them to receive porn, and therefore it can't be obscene. (?)

These morons are going to hurt some of the rest of us with their recklessness and ignorance.

Mark my words, some group of 3 or 4 or 5 underage newbie webmasters is going bring down an entire medium-sized affiliate program one of these days. Or maybe a host. Or maybe an IPSP. Or maybe a content provider.

I don't think I have ever agreed with anything Labret has ever said until now - he is right when he says that newbies are fucking dangerous.

Finally someone posting a valid reason for concern.

stocktrader23 · 02-28-2003, 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by m0rph3us

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I have before. Anyone can go pull up one of my first posts I made and see the retarded comments I received from it. I didn't push this biz full time. In 2001 I went from $600 my first week to $6000 a week within a few months. I signed up 4 webmasters that made me $800 to $1400 a week for over a year because I helped them get started. No $6000 a week is by no means alot of money in porn but I literally worked 1 hour or less per day. Every 2 or 3 months I put in a 20 hour week or so.

stocktrader23 · 02-28-2003, 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by Dopy

LOL

I love the way Labret causes people to bring on the bullshit.

What bullshit? I had 3 local businesses when I got into this biz. I worked 1 hour a day or less playing around with 3 or 4 20 hour weeks thrown in when I could. This business is so much fucking easier than most businesses. You can see in my last post how much I made from my 1 hour a day. Made $800 to $1400 a week nearly all of last year with 0 work. My webmaster referrals from my first year gave me time to spend with my son who was born at the end of 2001. Why is it so hard to believe something just because you can't do it?

stocktrader23 · 02-28-2003, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by SquarePants

Finally someone posting a valid reason for concern.

Yes very valid reason for concern. TGP's destroying the market is not.

LA Mike · 02-28-2003, 05:36 PM

"why are so many people in this business scared of competition?"

I want my mommy! :P

[Labret] · 02-28-2003, 05:39 PM

This is 2003 and not 2001.

I can show you how I converted 1:4 in 1997 but that doesnt mean I can do it now.

2 years ago it was a very different landscape.

And you worked 1 hour a day? How can you tell me with a straight face you understand this industry when you worked an hour a day. It is a damn insult to those of us who have been putting in 16 hour days 7 days a week since 97.

You do not understand this industry. at all.

stocktrader23 · 02-28-2003, 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]
This is 2003 and not 2001.

I can show you how I converted 1:4 in 1997 but that doesnt mean I can do it now.

2 years ago it was a very different landscape.

And you worked 1 hour a day? How can you tell me with a straight face you understand this industry when you worked an hour a day. It is a damn insult to those of us who have been putting in 16 hour days 7 days a week since 97.

You do not understand this industry. at all.

I believe you 100% when you say the industry has changed. I converted 1:20 in 2001 and its more like 1:100 now. Since December I have put in 20 plus hours a day on several projects. I'm not arguing with you at all that times have changed but the money is still here. Understanding business in general goes a long way. I know shit compared to most webmasters when it comes to many things like scripts, coding, etc. But, I'm smart enough to figure out what I need to and pay someone to do the rest.

Can you tell me with a straight face you couldn't have a bigger paycheck if you wanted to? Go all the way back to 97. If you decided to work on getting a bigger piece of this market would you have it? Being that you are successful in this biz I am certain you would.

LiveDose · 02-28-2003, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]
This is 2003 and not 2001.

I can show you how I converted 1:4 in 1997 but that doesnt mean I can do it now.

2 years ago it was a very different landscape.

And you worked 1 hour a day? How can you tell me with a straight face you understand this industry when you worked an hour a day. It is a damn insult to those of us who have been putting in 16 hour days 7 days a week since 97.

You do not understand this industry. at all.

I love you man!

As much as I try and stay mad at Labret for some of his posts, it is simply impossible...

CoolE · 02-28-2003, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
What does that have to do with the things I pointed out. Read my first post again.

It is directly relevant to your original post (so I'll decline to re-read it). Allow me to rephrase what I said to make the connection crystal clear for you...

I think you are completely misreading the situation with your fellow webmasters and labelling us a bunch of lazy, easily-rattled babies incorrectly. It is not new competition per se that is giving some guys the willies; it is newbies, many of whom are:
a) reckless and willing to take huge risks
b) ignorant
c) underage
and d) willing to work for MUCH less than the rest of us.

You claim that many of your fellow webmasters are simply afraid of competition - that's not the case, in my opinion; it's the new competition that meets one or more of the criteria a, b, c or d above that is causing some of us to lose sleep, and unfortunately almost all the new competition fits into those 4 categories.

Hopefully that makes the connection between your post and my post more clear for you.

stocktrader23 · 02-28-2003, 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by CoolE

It is directly relevant to your original post (so I'll decline to re-read it). Allow me to rephrase what I said to make the connection crystal clear for you...

I think you are completely misreading the situation with your fellow webmasters and labelling us a bunch of lazy, easily-rattled babies incorrectly. It is not new competition per se that is giving some guys the willies; it is newbies, many of whom are:
a) reckless and willing to take huge risks
b) ignorant
c) underage
and d) willing to work for MUCH less than the rest of us.

You claim that many of your fellow webmasters are simply afraid of competition - that's not the case, in my opinion; it's the new competition that meets one or more of the criteria a, b, c or d above that is causing some of us to lose sleep, and unfortunately almost all the new competition fits into those 4 categories.

Hopefully that makes the connection between your post and my post more clear for you.

I'm not talking about the people with a valid reason to bitch about the actions of new webmasters. The same ones that think porn is a dying business. I agree with you on the ignorance alot of webmasters show newbie or not.

Why does how much a webmaster will work for bother you?

The Other Steve · 02-28-2003, 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23

Why does how much a webmaster will work for bother you?

Well I've just read this thread from beginning to end and your last comment says it all for you - you obviously don't know your arse from your elbow.

But please keep going - I'm sure you must be giving a lot of newbies a lot of false hope and I'm the mean sort of prick who gets a lot of pleasure out of that.

Tipsy · 02-28-2003, 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by The Other Steve

Well I've just read this thread from beginning to end and your last comment says it all for you - you obviously don't know your arse from your elbow.

But please keep going - I'm sure you must be giving a lot of newbies a lot of false hope and I'm the mean sort of prick who gets a lot of pleasure out of that.

I was going to post exactly the same and had kept out of it until now. That one line alone shows your total and complete ignorance of both this industry and business generally.

DrewKole · 02-28-2003, 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]
You wont be here in a year newb.

Again. Tell me how some gallery making slapdick is my competition.

I resent that dickhead. ;)

stocktrader23 · 02-28-2003, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by The Other Steve

Well I've just read this thread from beginning to end and your last comment says it all for you - you obviously don't know your arse from your elbow.

But please keep going - I'm sure you must be giving a lot of newbies a lot of false hope and I'm the mean sort of prick who gets a lot of pleasure out of that.

I have my own opinions about that but I asked to see what he was referring to specifically. Yes people that will work for a small amount of money can be a problem. I posed the question to see exactly what he had to say on the subject.

By the way, the false sense of hope I give newbies is cash in their pocket. I don't show many people what I do but the last one I did has made $1300 so far this week. He's been in the porn biz for right at a month. Never sold porn or had anything to do with it in his life until 1 month ago. No $1300 isn't alot but he has been making more and more every week. So draw your own conclusions but I have succeeded in businesses that were much harder to get going than porn.

stocktrader23 · 02-28-2003, 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by Tipsy

I was going to post exactly the same and had kept out of it until now. That one line alone shows your total and complete ignorance of both this industry and business generally.

See above post.

The Other Steve · 02-28-2003, 07:32 PM

Until you post stats or positive proof you will pardon us if we just take what you say with a grain of salt.

stocktrader23 · 02-28-2003, 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by The Other Steve
Until you post stats or positive proof you will pardon us if we just take what you say with a grain of salt.

What good are stats going to be to changing your idea about the industry? Absolutely nothing. I would post a screenshot of the $130 I made from 10% of 1 affiliate but I don't know if he wants his sites thrown around.

Manny The Freak · 02-28-2003, 07:35 PM

I agree what babies...

FlyingIguana · 02-28-2003, 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23

What good are stats going to be to changing your idea about the industry? Absolutely nothing. I would post a screenshot of the $130 I made from 10% of 1 affiliate but I don't know if he wants his sites thrown around.

so many people talk big, yet make nothing. stats can also be fudged so even posting something would be questioned by many people. unless it comes directly from the program owner's mouth then people will question your numbers.

stocktrader23 · 02-28-2003, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana

so many people talk big, yet make nothing. stats can also be fudged so even posting something would be questioned by many people. unless it comes directly from the program owner's mouth then people will question your numbers.

This I know. I have no idea exactly what he wants to see. $1300 a week is pocket change to the actual players in this biz. But for a newb to the biz I think it's a pretty good start. I'll cash my $150 or so check that I get for referring him and go about my business. I could care less if people believe it or not.

MichaelAncher · 02-28-2003, 07:44 PM

Why are so many people in this business scared of competition?

That not just this business...and mostly it's because they are unsure about themselves and what they are doing....

if you are good.....

if not...

TheFLY · 02-28-2003, 07:55 PM

Patent.

stocktrader23 · 02-28-2003, 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by The Other Steve
Until you post stats or positive proof you will pardon us if we just take what you say with a grain of salt.

Not that it means shit but I'll humor you for a minute. These are the stats for my 10% commission of my downline from 1 of my accounts. I would show you exactly how it breaks down but it would show his site and I haven't talked to him yet. There are 3 signups this week that didn't come from him so you can do the math.

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chadglni · 02-28-2003, 08:02 PM

I'm not the affiliate Stocktrader23 is referring to, but he has shown me how to make money as well.

Does the fact he has shared his knowledge and explained to me what he has found to work well mean that I am now new "competition" for him? Not really.. what it has done is earned him my respect and loyalty, along with 10% of my sales.

Take into consideration the fact that he does this with anyone willing to put in an honest effort and it just sounds like good business sense to me.

I have him to thank for the two checks that came in the mail today.. thanks Stocktrader23

LadyMischief · 02-28-2003, 08:10 PM

I refer customers to my "competition" all the time, oftentimes publically

If I don't have what they need, isn't it in my best interest to direct them somewhere that reflects the same quality and has essentially the same standards that I do? I think so

muchmoreporn · 02-28-2003, 08:10 PM

ive only been a webmaster for 2 years, when i started i would make 2-3 galleries a week and make 20 plus sales a day.

today im making 5 a day everyday, and im making about 10-15 sales.

what i got to be worried about? another year ill be making 40 a day to keep making my pathetic checks i make weekly.

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