35 years for wikilinks manning

[brassmonkey]

http://news.yahoo.com/manning-senten...142355884.html

[lucas131]

guantanamo?

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

With good behavior and credit for the more than three years he has been held, Manning could be out in about 6 ½ years, according to his defense attorney David Coombs.

"When a soldier who shared information with the press and public is punished far more harshly than others who tortured prisoners and killed civilians, something is seriously wrong with our justice system," said Ben Wizner, head of the ACLU's speech and technology project.

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[CaptainHowdy]

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

maybe it will fit

[DTK]

So the guy who reveals covered-up war crimes gets 35 years in the hole, while the perpetrators (and those who covered it up) get of scot-free? Gotcha.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by DTK

So the guy who reveals covered-up war crimes gets 35 years in the hole, while the perpetrators (and those who covered it up) get of scot-free? Gotcha.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by DTK

So the guy who reveals covered-up war crimes gets 35 years in the hole, while the perpetrators (and those who covered it up) get of scot-free? Gotcha.

well the they have the power to arrest whistleblowers. just say they threatened national security.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Manning Requests Pardon from Obama...

The text of U.S. Army Pfc. Bradley Manning?s statement that will be sent to the president, as read by defense attorney David Coombs following Manning?s sentencing Wednesday:

The decisions that I made in 2010 were made out of a concern for my country and the world that we live in. Since the tragic events of 9/11, our country has been at war. We?ve been at war with an enemy that chooses not to meet us on any traditional battlefield, and due to this fact we?ve had to alter our methods of combating the risks posed to us and our way of life.

I initially agreed with these methods and chose to volunteer to help defend my country. It was not until I was in Iraq and reading secret military reports on a daily basis that I started to question the morality of what we were doing.

It was at this time I realized that (in) our efforts to meet the risk posed to us by the enemy, we have forgotten our humanity. We consciously elected to devalue human life both in Iraq and Afghanistan. When we engaged those that we perceived were the enemy, we sometimes killed innocent civilians. Whenever we killed innocent civilians, instead of accepting responsibility for our conduct, we elected to hide behind the veil of national security and classified information in order to avoid any public accountability.

In our zeal to kill the enemy, we internally debated the definition of torture. We held individuals at Guantanamo for years without due process. We inexplicably turned a blind eye to torture and executions by the Iraqi government. And we stomached countless other acts in the name of our war on terror.

Patriotism is often the cry extolled when morally questionable acts are advocated by those in power. When these cries of patriotism drown out any logically based dissension, it is usually the American soldier that is given the order to carry out some ill-conceived mission.

Our nation has had similar dark moments for the virtues of democracy ? the Trail of Tears, the Dred Scott decision, McCarthyism, and the Japanese-American internment camps ? to mention a few. I am confident that many of the actions since 9/11 will one day be viewed in a similar light.

As the late Howard Zinn once said, ?There is not a flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people.?

I understand that my actions violated the law; I regret if my actions hurt anyone or harmed the United States. It was never my intent to hurt anyone. I only wanted to help people. When I chose to disclose classified information, I did so out of a love for my country and a sense of duty to others.

If you deny my request for a pardon, I will serve my time knowing that sometimes you have to pay a heavy price to live in a free society. I will gladly pay that price if it means we could have a country that is truly conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all women and men are created equal.

QFT!



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[theking]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Manning Requests Pardon from Obama...

The text of U.S. Army Pfc. Bradley Manning’s statement that will be sent to the president, as read by defense attorney David Coombs following Manning’s sentencing Wednesday:



QFT!



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Very little truth in his statement...and that statement and a dollar will buy him a cup of coffee but definitely will not buy him a pardon.

He should have been sentenced to the max.

BTW...the shooting in the video was within the rules of engagement at the time so the crew is not guilty of any crime. Shit happens when engaged in armed conflict...and far more often than anyone cares to be aware of. This has been the nature of armed conflict since the beginning of warfare.

[adultchatpay]

It should be more so others won't follow, sort of a warning for everyone.

[- Jesus Christ -]

Originally Posted by theking

more often than anyone cares to be aware of.

No, see that's the problem... some of us aren't deranged sociopaths and we need evidence of your existence to eliminate you from society.

[theking]

Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ -

No, see that's the problem... some of us aren't deranged sociopaths and we need evidence of your existence to eliminate you from society.

Well...you may not be a "deranged sociopath"...but you definitely are deranged...as proven by some of your posts.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by DTK

So the guy who reveals covered-up war crimes gets 35 years in the hole, while the perpetrators (and those who covered it up) get of scot-free? Gotcha.

He revealed that Americans committed war crimes; but that's not anything new to educated Americans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Calley

It's more about the manner in which the information came forth to the public.
There were alternative avenues to the one he chose.







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[Rochard]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

He revealed that Americans committed war crimes; but that's not anything new to educated Americans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Calley

It's more about the manner in which the information came forth to the public.
There were alternative avenues to the one he chose.







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What war crimes were exposed? Odd, because I don't recall anything coming out of the hundreds of thousands of pages of documents Manning put online resulting in anything.

Just like Snowden - they call him a whistle blower but to date he hasn't exposed anything other than a handful of mistakes.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by Rochard

What war crimes were exposed? Odd, because I don't recall anything coming out of the hundreds of thousands of pages of documents Manning put online resulting in anything.

Just like Snowden - they call him a whistle blower but to date he hasn't exposed anything other than a handful of mistakes.

This frame grab image taken from a video shot from a U.S. army Apache helicopter gun-sight, posted at Wikileaks.org and confirmed as authentic by a senior U.S. military official, shows a group of men in the streets of the New Baghdad district of eastern Baghdad just prior to being fired upon by the helicopter July 12, 2007. In a series of online chats Bradley Manning told of leaking classified diplomatic reports, along with this secret video, to the whistleblower website Wikileaks.org. (Wikileaks.org via AP)

A military judge has acquitted the former intelligence analyst of aiding the enemy, but convicted him of espionage, theft and computer fraud charges.

Army private Bradley Manning had already pleaded guilty to 10 charges, including sending hundreds of thousands of battlefield reports from Iraq and Afghanistan, diplomatic cables sent by state department officials and video clips of battles.

He had refused to plead guilty to more serious allegations, including the charge that he ?aided enemies of the U.S.? which carries a life sentence.

So what is the material at the heart of this case? What did Bradley Manning reveal, and what are the prosecution and defense saying about it?

Harvard Law professor Yochai Benkler, who was a witness for the defense in the Manning trial, says the prosecution?s case has broad and dangerous implications for the freedom of the press in covering national security issues.

?The basic theory that the prosecution has been pushing is that if you leak national security information to the media, and if the media publishers are on the internet, and if al-Qaida reads the internet, then you have communicated indirectly with the enemy. That essentially means that any leak to any organization that publishes on the net, is aiding the enemy,? Benkler told Here & Now.

JEREMY HOBSON, HOST:

Well, let's talk about the material at the heart of this case Yochai Benkler, who's a professor of law and co-director of the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard. We spoke with him before the verdict and I asked him what Bradley Manning revealed.

YOCHAI BENKLER: What the materials revealed was a broad range of issues, in particular that the levels of civilian casualties known to the U.S. military in Iraq was much higher than what was reported publicly and that various parts of the U.S. military knew that the Maliki regime was torturing political opponents and did nothing to stop this.

HOBSON: And there were videos from the battlefield that were released. I want you to listen to one. This was taken from a U.S. Apache helicopter, which fired on a small group in Baghdad in 2007.

(SOUNDBITE OF VIDEO RECORDING)

UNIDENTIFIED MAN #1: Come on, fire.

(SOUNDBITE OF GUNFIRE)

UNIDENTIFIED MAN #2: Roger. Keep shooting.

(SOUNDBITE OF GUNFIRE)

UNIDENTIFIED MAN #2: Keep shooting.

HOBSON: Now apparently the soldiers mistook cameras for guns on the ground and ended up killing, among the dead, a Reuters news cameraman and his driver. Do you think those videos were crucial here?

BENKLER: The videos were the very first materials released and the very first materials leaked, and they offer the most vivid example of the violence of war, inhumanity, and I think the exposure represented a very visual and visceral example of how war can sweep in innocents, whether it was the Reuters cameramen who were trying to do their job on the ground, it should be said, with a group of armed insurgents.

But you also saw the gun crew shooting at a civilian van that just stopped by to try to sweep one of the injured cameramen out and to help, and the gun crew camera hears the injured two kids in the van, and they basically have this shrug, well, it's their own fault for bringing kids into a war zone. So it's a very visceral image.

HOBSON: But we know that things like this do happen in war. We know that there are accidents, and the military comes out occasionally, in the last decade of these wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and says we made a mistake, we accidentally killed this innocent person. So why was this kind of detail from Bradley Manning's releases so important?

BENKLER: Reuters had been trying to get the Army to release this video for two years through Freedom of Information Act requests and had failed. And then the video came out, and it showed that essentially the Army had been resisting and refusing to acknowledge in this case an error, and the imagery moved the hypothetical understanding of collateral damage in the abstract into real human beings; a civilian walking down the street, being hit as a building is hit by a Hellfire missile. It made it human.

HOBSON: There were also 250,000 diplomatic cables from the State Department that were released. They got a lot of attention at the time, embarrassing ones. Cables from Tunisia, for example, showed that the U.S. was not behind the regime there. Some say that even helped trigger what happened there with the Arab Spring.

BENKLER: I think they actually didn't expose significant wrongdoing from the American perspective, although they certainly exposed things that American foreign diplomats did, like leaning on prosecutors in several European countries not to bring cases against CIA operatives. They did expose in various places American diplomats' observations about the local corruption, and they created significant accountability and openness in those other countries. It was very much of a global leak rather than merely an American leak.

HOBSON: So Professor Benkler, at the heart of this case is the question of aiding the enemy and whether this was just a release, an embarrassment, or whether it actually got into the wrong hands. And you have a real problem with that.

BENKLER: Absolutely. I think the prosecution's theory in this case is fundamentally dangerous to freedom of the press, fundamentally dangerous to the role of the press' watchdog in the area of national security. The basic theory that the prosecution has been pushing is that if you leak national security information to the media, and if the media publishes it on the Internet, and if al-Qaida reads the Internet, then you have communicated indirectly with the enemy.

That essentially means that any leak to any organization that publishes on the Net is aiding the enemy. Aiding the enemy is a death...

HOBSON: Well isn't it, though? I mean, couldn't you make that argument that it is aiding the enemy?

BENKLER: You could only make that argument that it is aiding the enemy if you could also say that publication of the Pentagon Papers aided the Viet Cong, if you could also say that disclosure of the illegal NSA wiretapping and its exposure aids the enemy. You would basically need to say that any exposure of our own error, illegality or incompetence aids the enemy.

HOBSON: Let me just push back against you there on one point, which is in this era, where it's so much more about intelligence than it was in the Vietnam War and just a little piece of information can be the key point, doesn't it change the circumstances?

BENKLER: I don't think so. Operational secrecy in discreet cases can be very important and even critical, but overall, our security depends on the resilience and robustness of our systems overall. And when we embrace secrecy to the point of being willing to shut down journalism, to the point of being willing to give up on the watchdog function of the state, what we will pay in terms of errors, incompetence and malfeasance will be vastly worse not only to democracy but even to security than what we gain in small-scale operational secrecy.

HOBSON: Yochai Benkler is professor of law and co-director of the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard. He was a witness for the defense in the Bradley Manning trial. Professor Benkler, thank you so much for joining us.

BENKLER: My pleasure, thank you.

HOBSON: And we spoke before the verdict. Again, Bradley Manning acquitted on that key charge of aiding the enemy, convicted on other charges.

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[Rochard]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

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And I ask you again... what war crimes were exposed? You cut and pasted a great little article, but I have yet to see someone being arrested for war crimes.

[sandman!]

[theking]

Originally Posted by Rochard

And I ask you again... what war crimes were exposed? You cut and pasted a great little article, but I have yet to see someone being arrested for war crimes.

I do not expect him to answer your question.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Rochard

What war crimes were exposed? Odd, because I don't recall anything coming out of the hundreds of thousands of pages of documents Manning put online resulting in anything.

Just like Snowden - they call him a whistle blower but to date he hasn't exposed anything other than a handful of mistakes.

"The Leak" was an allegation of war crimes, I think you know the context of my post.
Why "leak it" or even mention it, if he saw (in his opinion) no controversy?


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[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by Rochard

And I ask you again... what war crimes were exposed? You cut and pasted a great little article, but I have yet to see someone being arrested for war crimes.

A camera passes for an RPG. One armed man condemns a dozen others to death. It would be one thing if they had been engaging U.S. forces at the time. But no, they were just milling about, paying no attention to their surroundings. That was not a hostile force either pre- or post-hostilities. We killed those men in cold blood, and then shot at some poor soul who stopped to try to pick up a wounded man.

What part of shooting unarmed Reuters reporters and civilians, including children, do you not consider a crime?

Also, in case you were not aware:

Much of the court record?the largest of any in military history?was hidden from the public. The public only got access 1,103 days into the legal proceeding.

Because so much of the critical parts of the trial were conducted in closed sessions and obscurity, the public has been largely unclear on the actual impact of the leaks. Prosecution witnesses?government employees and federal contractors?testified in open session that no death resulted as a result of the leaks. But the prosecution presented evidence of mitigation efforts and temporary disruptions as well as future of possible threats to military operations and diplomatic efforts.

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[Just Alex]

Nurnberg trial confirmed that Nazis didn't commit any war crimes either (at least thats what Nazis said). Just ask any Jew here.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by theking

Very little truth in his statement...and that statement and a dollar will buy him a cup of coffee but definitely will not buy him a pardon.

He should have been sentenced to the max.

BTW...the shooting in the video was within the rules of engagement at the time so the crew is not guilty of any crime. Shit happens when engaged in armed conflict...and far more often than anyone cares to be aware of. This has been the nature of armed conflict since the beginning of warfare.

Very little truth?

I've had to bail my best friend out of jail twice & he's a highly decorated former 75th member(for those who don't know, 75th Ranger Regiment). Know why I had to bail him out? PTSD + alcohol + some mouthy guy at the bar = them going to the hospital and him sobering up in some holding cell. The ironic thing was, one of the times it was some dork who'd never been in theater talking about it like a dipshit but was a "vet".


Know why he has PTSD? This isn't verbatim, but something along the lines seeing the faces of kids he was ordered to kill by his superiors because of things like them being "too close". Every vet friend I have who's gone into any detail has had similar to say.

Apparently either you've not been in theater ever, or you were never a paratrooper... or both.

[theking]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

What part of shooting unarmed Reuters reporters and civilians, including children, do you not consider a crime?

Also, in case you were not aware:







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I repeat that the crew followed the rules of engagement...thus there is no crime...a mistake yes...shit happens...a lot of shit happens...when engaged in armed conflict and there is absolutely nothing new about that.

[theking]

Originally Posted by trevesty

Very little truth?

I've had to bail my best friend out of jail twice & he's a highly decorated former 75th member(for those who don't know, 75th Ranger Regiment). Know why I had to bail him out? PTSD + alcohol + some mouthy guy at the bar = them going to the hospital and him sobering up in some holding cell. The ironic thing was, one of the times it was some dork who'd never been in theater talking about it like a dipshit but was a "vet".


Know why he has PTSD? This isn't verbatim, but something along the lines seeing the faces of kids he was ordered to kill by his superiors because of things like them being "too close". Every vet friend I have who's gone into any detail has had similar to say.

Apparently either you've not been in theater ever, or you were never a paratrooper... or both.

I have been in theater in three different conflicts...sport. You are now dismissed.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by theking

I have been in theater in three different conflicts...sport. You are now dismissed.

I don't take orders from tough guys on the internet, sport. That "in theater" reference was to Iraq or Afghanistan since 2001.

Regardless, if such is true, then you of ALL people on this board should know that you have no clue what his units' orders were at any given time for any given situation unless you were in his direct CoC. His company commander or 1SGT could have easily given orders about killing innocents whether directly or indirectly. To say "very little truth in that" is just you projecting whatever you may have experienced at your unit. You could've been some little FOB babysitter.


Given what I've been told by very close friends who've been in the shit 3-4 times and seeing some tough ass men shed a couple of tears, I'd believe it.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by theking

I repeat that the crew followed the rules of engagement...thus there is no crime...a mistake yes...shit happens...a lot of shit happens...when engaged in armed conflict and there is absolutely nothing new about that.

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[trevesty]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

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[theking]

Originally Posted by trevesty

I don't take orders from tough guys on the internet, sport. That "in theater" reference was to Iraq or Afghanistan since 2001.

Regardless, if such is true, then you of ALL people on this board should know that you have no clue what his units' orders were at any given time for any given situation unless you were in his direct CoC. His company commander or 1SGT could have easily given orders about killing innocents whether directly or indirectly. To say "very little truth in that" is just you projecting whatever you may have experienced at your unit. You could've been some little FOB babysitter.


Given what I've been told by very close friends who've been in the shit 3-4 times and seeing some tough ass men shed a couple of tears, I'd believe it.

No I have not been in theater since 2001...my military career was stopped short in the first gulf war in '91...from injuries received.

The reason I know the crew followed the rules of engagement is because I have heard the entire tape...there was a force moving into that AO ..they called in to their superiors and provided a SITREP from their (mistaken) point of view...and they were given the permission to lite them up. Thus no crime...a mistake...but no crime.

[TumblrPRO]

35 years? incredible...

[SomeCreep]

Dat boi dun fucked up his life.

[pimpmaster9000]

Just stopping in to shit on the 4th of july and wipe my ass with it in several directions

How amusing is it that the founding fathers are, somehow, not traitors for betraying their real motherlands and using balls and resources from their real motherlands to form the USA BUT manning is a traitor?

Answer: very very amusing indeed

So if manning got 35 years how much should the beloved founding fathers get?

Oh sorry I forgot about the double standard

[theking]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Just stopping in to shit on the 4th of july and wipe my ass with it in several directions

How amusing is it that the founding fathers are, somehow, not traitors for betraying their real motherlands and using balls and resources from their real motherlands to form the USA BUT manning is a traitor?

Answer: very very amusing indeed

So if manning got 35 years how much should the beloved founding fathers get?

Oh sorry I forgot about the double standard

You are ignorant and very religious...now aren't you?

[seeandsee]

he deserve prison because they got him, on other hand he is very brave young man!

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

FORT MEADE, MARYLAND?Just after receiving a sentence of 35 years in prison for transmitting hundreds of thousands of diplomatic cables and U.S. Army reports to WikiLeaks in 2010, Bradley Manning was in a surprisingly ?cheerful mood,? according to his attorney.

?He said, 'Hey, it's OK. It's all right. I know you did everything you could for me. Don't cry. Be happy. It's fine. This is just a stage in my life. I am moving forward. I will recover from this,?? his defense lawyer David Coombs said in an interview conducted immediately after the sentencing.

Good to hear that Manning's spirit remains strong.



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[dyna mo]

some of the war crimes revealed by manning:


The "Collateral Murder" video depicts a US Apache attack helicopter killing 12 civilians and wounding two children on the ground in Baghdad in 2007. The helicopter then fired on and killed the people trying to rescue the wounded. Finally, a US tank drove over one of the bodies, cutting the man in half. These acts constitute three separate war crimes.

Section 499 of the Army Field Manual states, "Every violation of the law of war is a war crime." The law of war is contained in the Geneva Conventions.

Article 85 of the First Protocol to the Geneva Conventions describes making the civilian population or individual civilians the object of attack as a grave breach. The firing on and killing of civilians shown in the "Collateral Murder" video violated this provision of Geneva.

Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions requires that the wounded be collected and cared for. Article 17 of the First Protocol states that the civilian population "shall be permitted, even on their own initiative, to collect and care for the wounded." That article also says, "No one shall be harmed . . . for such humanitarian acts." The firing on rescuers portrayed in the "Collateral Murder" video violates these provisions of Geneva.

Finally, Section 27-10 of the Army Field Manual states that "maltreatment of dead bodies" is a war crime. When the Army jeep drove over the dead body, it violated this provision.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by DTK

So the guy who reveals covered-up war crimes gets 35 years in the hole, while the perpetrators (and those who covered it up) get of scot-free? Gotcha.

the golden rule = those with the gold make the rules

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

the golden rule = those with the gold make the rules

you forgot arrest and beat your ass.

[dyna mo]

2 more war crimes revealed by manning:


1. The 250,000 State Department cables he leaked detailed U.S. diplomatic pressure on foreign countries to ignore or excuse extraordinary renditions carried out by the CIA in apparent violation of international law.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...es-07BERLIN242

2. They also showed that the U.S. routinely failed to investigate reports of prisoner abuse and summary execution by the Iraqi military.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...military-leaks

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Manning Requests Pardon from Obama...

The text of U.S. Army Pfc. Bradley Manning’s statement that will be sent to the president, as read by defense attorney David Coombs following Manning’s sentencing Wednesday:





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ADG war is not like taking a few pictures or fucking around with html... try and imagine snapping a few pics with a maniac screaming in your ear, or do a little scripting with someone shooting at you... fact is you have no experience in a 'war situation' yet you seem to be able to judge the action of those involved... you ever hear this phrase?

next you pull up comments for a collage teacher that has no experience either, like that's proof... war is terrible. everything around war and the cost of war is terrible.... I firmly believe we should not have troops in the Middle East, no American kids should be maimed or killed because Arabs are fucktards that can't cope with life, HOWEVER since we are there .... 'shit happens' that's the reality of war...

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

2 more war crimes revealed by manning:


1. The 250,000 State Department cables he leaked detailed U.S. diplomatic pressure on foreign countries to ignore or excuse extraordinary renditions carried out by the CIA in apparent violation of international law.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...es-07BERLIN242

2. They also showed that the U.S. routinely failed to investigate reports of prisoner abuse and summary execution by the Iraqi military.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...military-leaks

let me guess the Arabs get one set of rules, and we pretend it's a Sunday school picnic

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

you forgot arrest and beat your ass.

only happened to me once..... never smarted off to a cop again... how often that happen to you?

[dyna mo]

yes, let's sink to that level, in fact, let's all return to 3rd world status.

[dyna mo]

Section 499 of the Army Field Manual states, "Every violation of the law of war is a war crime." The law of war is contained in the Geneva Conventions.

US Army Subject Schedule No. 27-1: the obligation to report all violations of the law of war.

Manning fulfilled his legal duty to report war crimes. He complied with his legal duty to obey lawful orders but also his legal duty to disobey unlawful orders.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

yes, let's sink to that level, in fact, let's all return to 3rd world status.

walk downtown someday

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

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Manning fulfilled his legal duty to report war crimes. He complied with his legal duty to obey lawful orders but also his legal duty to disobey unlawful orders.

I hadn't realized wikileakes was in the military command chain, my mistake

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

walk downtown someday

i live downtown and have for years, just walked back from getting a cup o joe, what did i miss?

[DWB]

Originally Posted by theking

there was a force moving into that AO ..they called in to their superiors and provided a SITREP from their (mistaken) point of view...and they were given the permission to lite them up. Thus no crime...a mistake...but no crime.

I mean this with all of my heart when I say that you and those like you are a sorry excuse for a human beings. It is a shame more of you don't come home in body bags so the world can be spared from your wicked ways and distorted, perverse versions of truth, justice, and true honor. None of which you and those like you possess. You are wretched beyond words, and the only positive thing to any of this is, you get to spend the rest of your days in physical pain, and with the mental scars and horrors of your horrible, dishonorable, inhumane actions.

May you and any of your "brothers" who think like you, fallen and/or alive, live a life of misery and burn in hell for all eternity, where you belong.

You may dismiss posters from your threads, sport, but you and your kind are dismissed from humanity. It is no wonder your kind is spat on and thrown to the curb, forgotten and uncared for. As that is what you truly deserve. You are not a soldier with honor, you are lonely animal with no soul.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I hadn't realized wikileakes was in the military command chain, my mistake

that's what you are getting confused about, manning wasn't tried for what he revealed, he was tried for who he revealed it to. he did follow the change of command and reported these things, when that fell on deaf ears, he went to wiki and that's why he's in prison now.

that has nothing to do with the specifics he revealed.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

maybe it will fit