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brassmonkey · 08-22-2013, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

only happened to me once..... never smarted off to a cop again... how often that happen to you?

fiddy prison bitchez

a few times you learn fast

brassmonkey · 08-22-2013, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

so he's really a sissy? get this guy a porn contract! wikisis he's blowing more than just whistles

DTK · 08-22-2013, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

He revealed that Americans committed war crimes; but that's not anything new to educated Americans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Calley

It's more about the manner in which the information came forth to the public.
There were alternative avenues to the one he chose.

Do a little research into what happens to govt whistleblowers...it ain't pretty.

Roundtable discussion with previous whistleblowers.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...table/2428809/

DTK · 08-22-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

the golden rule = those with the gold make the rules

Truer words never spoken.

trevesty · 08-22-2013, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

No I have not been in theater since 2001...my military career was stopped short in the first gulf war in '91...from injuries received.

The reason I know the crew followed the rules of engagement is because I have heard the entire tape...there was a force moving into that AO ..they called in to their superiors and provided a SITREP from their (mistaken) point of view...and they were given the permission to lite them up. Thus no crime...a mistake...but no crime.

I'm not a judge or lawyer, so I wouldn't say "crime", just what happened & first hand accounts from others who've recited similar situations. The court of history will make that judgement, I'm sure.

To make an inflammatory point, the SS boots on the ground "just followed orders", too. That doesn't mean their RoE was right or lacking a criminal side, though.

dyna mo · 08-22-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DTK

Do a little research into what happens to govt whistleblowers...it ain't pretty.

Roundtable discussion with previous whistleblowers.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...table/2428809/

huh?
every single whistleblower in the usa has been pardoned or have their charges reduced to non-felony charges

it's very pretty, snowden is an idiot for not seeing that and choosing to run to an enemy state.

theking · 08-22-2013, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Section 499 of the Army Field Manual states, "Every violation of the law of war is a war crime." The law of war is contained in the Geneva Conventions.

US Army Subject Schedule No. 27-1: the obligation to report all violations of the law of war.

Manning fulfilled his legal duty to report war crimes. He complied with his legal duty to obey lawful orders but also his legal duty to disobey unlawful orders.

Pigshit.

dyna mo · 08-22-2013, 11:38 AM

excerpt from the field manual

Section II. CRIMES UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW
498. Crimes Under International Law
Any person, whether a member of the armed forces or a civilian, who commits an act which constitutes a crime under international law is responsible therefor and liable to punishment. Such offenses in connection with war comprise:

a. Crimes against peace.

b. Crimes against humanity.

c. War crimes.

Although this manual recognizes the criminal responsibility of individuals for those offenses which may comprise any of the foregoing types of crimes, members of the armed forces will normally be concerned, only with those offenses constituting "war crimes."

499. War Crimes
The term "war crime" is the technical expression for a violation of the law of war by any person or persons, military or civilian. Every violation of the law of war is a war crime.

500. Conspiracy, Incitement, Attempts, and Complicity
Conspiracy, direct incitement, and attempts to commit, as well as complicity in the commission of, crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and war crimes are punishable.

501. Responsibility for Acts of Subordinates
In some cases, military commanders may be responsible for war crimes committed by subordinate members of the armed forces, or other persons subject to their control. Thus, for instance, when troops commit massacres and atrocities against the civilian population of occupied territory or against prisoners of war, the responsibility may rest not only with the actual perpetrators but also with the commander. Such a responsibility arises directly when the acts in question have been committed in pursuance of an order of the commander concerned. The commander is also responsible if he has actual knowledge, or should have knowledge, through reports received by him or through other means, that troops or other persons subject to his control are about to commit or have committed a war crime and he fails to take the necessary and reasonable steps to insure compliance with the law of war or to punish violators thereof.

pimpmaster9000 · 08-22-2013, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

You are ignorant and very religious...now aren't you?

nope...your founding fathers were traitors who committed treason against their motherlands and formed the USA...you know this is treason

...it amuses me to see a grown man squirm around it like some reptile and pretend that there is even a miniscule chance that others will agree with you...

dude the 4th of july is traitor day...you celebrate it...remember your 4th of july "hail traitors" post?

save face...admit it...fess up...you have huge double standards...what manning did is nowhere near as treacherous as what your cunt traitor reject ethnic cleaner slave trader thieves of founding fathers did...

your country was formed by cunt traitors, not that this reflects negatively upon YOU in any way, its just highly amusing to pick on your double standard...

there is nothing you could possibly say except "pigshit" or "you are ignorant" so it amuses me to poke the shit out of you for this...no ill will towards you personally I'm really not a hater, just like to wipe my ass with your phoney shit...

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 08-22-2013, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

I mean this with all of my heart when I say that you (TheKing) and those like you are a sorry excuse for human beings. It is a shame more of you don't come home in body bags so the world can be spared from your wicked ways and distorted, perverse versions of truth, justice, and true honor. None of which you and those like you possess.

You are wretched beyond words, and the only positive thing to any of this is, you get to spend the rest of your days in physical pain, and with the mental scars and horrors of your horrible, dishonorable, inhumane actions.

May you and any of your "brothers" who think like you, fallen and/or alive, live a life of misery and burn in hell for all eternity, where you belong.

You may dismiss posters from your threads, sport, but you and your kind are dismissed from humanity. It is no wonder your kind is spat on and thrown to the curb, forgotten and uncared for. As that is what you truly deserve. You are not a soldier with honor, you are lonely animal with no soul.

Dayum, don't hold back...

ADG

theking · 08-22-2013, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

I mean this with all of my heart when I say that you and those like you are a sorry excuse for a human beings. It is a shame more of you don't come home in body bags so the world can be spared from your wicked ways and distorted, perverse versions of truth, justice, and true honor. None of which you and those like you possess. You are wretched beyond words, and the only positive thing to any of this is, you get to spend the rest of your days in physical pain, and with the mental scars and horrors of your horrible, dishonorable, inhumane actions.

May you and any of your "brothers" who think like you, fallen and/or alive, live a life of misery and burn in hell for all eternity, where you belong.

You may dismiss posters from your threads, sport, but you and your kind are dismissed from humanity. It is no wonder your kind is spat on and thrown to the curb, forgotten and uncared for. As that is what you truly deserve. You are not a soldier with honor, you are lonely animal with no soul.

Oh no...the girly man has gotten his/her panties in a bunch. I wonder if you would mind repeating that to some of my retired military friends that live in your AO. I am sure I can arrange a meeting for you.

_Richard_ · 08-22-2013, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Oh no...the girly man has gotten his/her panties in a bunch. I wonder if you would mind repeating that to some of my retired military friends that live in your AO. I am sure I can arrange a meeting for you.

can't have the sheep speaking their minds

could threaten all that freedom.

Just Alex · 08-22-2013, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Oh no...the girly man has gotten his/her panties in a bunch. I wonder if you would mind repeating that to some of my retired military friends that live in your AO. I am sure I can arrange a meeting for you.

Why don't you go and meet him in person. Have someone video tape it too. Im sure lots of us here would love to see the real you, not the bad ass internet ninja we got to know over the years. Oh, and bring Pathfinder with you.

DTK · 08-22-2013, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

huh?
every single whistleblower in the usa has been pardoned or have their charges reduced to non-felony charges

At first, I couldn't decide whether to

or

to this unbelievably ignorant statement...eventually, i settled on:

theking · 08-22-2013, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

Why don't you go and meet him in person. Have someone video tape it too. Im sure lots of us here would love to see the real you, not the bad ass internet ninja we got to know over the years. Oh, and bring Pathfinder with you.

Why don't you see sig?

DWB · 08-22-2013, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Oh no...the girly man has gotten his/her panties in a bunch. I wonder if you would mind repeating that to some of my retired military friends that live in your AO. I am sure I can arrange a meeting for you.

My panties don't bunch for murderous psychopaths, sorry to disappoint.

And you couldn't arrange a bouquet of flowers, let alone a "meeting in my AO," so I'm going to chalk that up to another Pathfinder day dream.

Just Alex · 08-22-2013, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Why don't you see sig?

Thats what I thought, dipshit. All talk.

theking · 08-22-2013, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

My panties don't bunch for murderous psychopaths, sorry to disappoint.

And you couldn't arrange a bouquet of flowers, let alone a "meeting in my AO," so I'm going to chalk that up to another Pathfinder day dream.

Got it...your wife has the dick and you are the receiver...which makes you the pussy in your perverted relationship. I am going to send an email of your post to my friends and maybe they will find the time and way to meet you.

Just Alex · 08-22-2013, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Got it...your wife has the dick and you are the receiver...which makes you the pussy in your perverted relationship. I am going to send an email of your post to my friends and maybe they will find the time and way to meet you.

_Richard_ · 08-22-2013, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Got it...your wife has the dick and you are the receiver...which makes you the pussy in your perverted relationship. I am going to send an email of your post to my friends and maybe they will find the time and way to meet you.

Phoenix · 08-22-2013, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Got it...your wife has the dick and you are the receiver...which makes you the pussy in your perverted relationship. I am going to send an email of your post to my friends and maybe they will find the time and way to meet you.

lol sure they will bud

dyna mo · 08-22-2013, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DTK

At first, I couldn't decide whether to

or

to this unbelievably ignorant statement...eventually, i settled on:

it's always cute when peeps go track down a meme instead of tracking down a fact, it takes the same amount of time:

Thomas Drake is one of four individuals in the history of the United States who has been charged specifically with “willful retention” of “national defense” information under 18 U.S.C. § 793(e). Most prosecutions are for “delivery” of classified information to a third party - something that Mr Drake was not charged with. This particular portion of the Espionage Act was created in 1950 during the Second Red Scare, as part of the McCarran Internal Security Act.

Anthony Russo and Daniel Ellsberg were the first to be prosecuted for the “retention” of what came to be known as the Pentagon Papers which Ellsberg gave to The New York Times, eventually resulting in another landmark Espionage Act case in 1971, New York Times Co. v. United States. The prosecution of Russo and Ellsberg was dismissed in 1972 because of government misconduct.

The second prosecution was of Samuel Loring Morison in 1985, a Navy analyst who sold satellite photographs to Jane's Defense Weekly; he was later pardoned by President Bill Clinton.

The third was the American Israel Public Affairs Committee case in 2005 (United States v. Franklin, Rosen, and Weissman).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Andrews_Drake

dyna mo · 08-22-2013, 05:39 PM

you do realize the link you provided has zero info about any punishment those 3 recieved right? moreover, none of those men did prison time.

that's your little research.

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Originally Posted by DTK

Do a little research into what happens to govt whistleblowers...it ain't pretty.

Roundtable discussion with previous whistleblowers.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...table/2428809/

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Originally Posted by DTK

Truer words never spoken.

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Originally Posted by DTK

At first, I couldn't decide whether to

or

to this unbelievably ignorant statement...eventually, i settled on:

DTK · 08-22-2013, 06:50 PM

The link was specific to the treatment of whistleblowers, not addressing your claims, which came AFTER my post.

08-22-2013, 06:50 PM	#74
DTK Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The 510 Posts: 4,545	The link was specific to the treatment of whistleblowers, not addressing your claims, which came AFTER my post. __________________ Arguing whether the Democratic or Republican party is better is like debating which steaming pile of shit is slightly less stinky.

08-22-2013, 11:38 AM	#58
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 65,414	excerpt from the field manual Section II. CRIMES UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW 498. Crimes Under International Law Any person, whether a member of the armed forces or a civilian, who commits an act which constitutes a crime under international law is responsible therefor and liable to punishment. Such offenses in connection with war comprise: a. Crimes against peace. b. Crimes against humanity. c. War crimes. Although this manual recognizes the criminal responsibility of individuals for those offenses which may comprise any of the foregoing types of crimes, members of the armed forces will normally be concerned, only with those offenses constituting "war crimes." 499. War Crimes The term "war crime" is the technical expression for a violation of the law of war by any person or persons, military or civilian. Every violation of the law of war is a war crime. 500. Conspiracy, Incitement, Attempts, and Complicity Conspiracy, direct incitement, and attempts to commit, as well as complicity in the commission of, crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and war crimes are punishable. 501. Responsibility for Acts of Subordinates In some cases, military commanders may be responsible for war crimes committed by subordinate members of the armed forces, or other persons subject to their control. Thus, for instance, when troops commit massacres and atrocities against the civilian population of occupied territory or against prisoners of war, the responsibility may rest not only with the actual perpetrators but also with the commander. Such a responsibility arises directly when the acts in question have been committed in pursuance of an order of the commander concerned. The commander is also responsible if he has actual knowledge, or should have knowledge, through reports received by him or through other means, that troops or other persons subject to his control are about to commit or have committed a war crime and he fails to take the necessary and reasonable steps to insure compliance with the law of war or to punish violators thereof.